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post #101 of 12083
They should make up for the fact we really only got two and a quarter in VII by making it a foursome in Episode VIII: The Force Rubs the Sleep out of Its Eyes.

And I'm sure Bel Powley is sweet and dandy but I demand that they lean haaaaaard into the diversity and cast someone from the Indian subcontinent as a cynical lady rogue and a South-East Asian actor as a ... actually Rey is so good at literally everything it's hard to know what else they need to round out a crew.

They should definitely be cynical and streetwise and Han-like though, to balance out the wide-eyed eager beaver natures of Rey and Finn. Now that my dad Han is gone they're going to need someone to step into those massive sarcastic space shoes.
post #102 of 12083
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Looks like the shoot has been delayed a month due to a rewrite of the script that shrinks the role of the new characters ("new" as in those not in TFA).  It seems Finn/Rey/Poe are more popular than they anticipated, so they're working to keep the story focused on them.  I can see Johnson having written his drafts before TFA was released, and probably didn't realize how wildly popular they'd be.  I'm all for it, especially because I'm not a fan of overstuffing movies with too many characters.  The Star Wars films have always worked by focusing on a small number of people.


That sounds a bit odd.  I can't imagine Rian Johnson shifting the focus away from the characters who - even on the script page of FORCE AWAKENS - were CLEARLY designed to be the major leads of the trilogy, but I'm sure you've got your sources.  Just how many major new characters was Johnson trying to focus on?  All we've really heard about were the Benicio Del Toro villain and another secondary female lead.  Are we to assume that whatever Del Toro's mystery role is may end up being of "Collector"-style importance, which is to say... not much?

 

If you can't share anything further, I understand.  And I'm certainly not asking for anything specific.

post #103 of 12083

Don't give him anything, Ambler, he took the ark from Indy!

post #104 of 12083
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Don't give him anything, Ambler, he took the ark from Indy!


What was briefly his is now mine!

post #105 of 12083

The info comes from Jeff Sneider, film reporter for The Wrap, very reliable insider.  

post #106 of 12083
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Looks like the shoot has been delayed a month due to a rewrite of the script that shrinks the role of the new characters ("new" as in those not in TFA).
Weird.

If it's only a month, it's probably a light rewrite to shift the focus of existing scenes onto the TFA characters.
post #107 of 12083

Sneider also said that an Asian actress has been or is going to be cast in the new female part... because TFA didn't do as well as expected in China... so they need that push.

post #108 of 12083

This whole thing definitely smacks of "These toys are selling real well. Let's make sure we keep pushing these people in the new film!"

 

We'll see how this thing turns out. As Ambler notes, it's strange that this is happening at all given that the OT was so focused on a handful of characters. But maybe Johnson's VIII broke with the OT template and was a bit more sprawling. Heck, The Force Awakens was originally conceived as a significantly more sprawling film, and it wasn't until the film was finished editing that it really focused on Rey and Finn to the extent that it does in the finished film, so it might just be following that trend.

 

Still, these does lead me to suspect that there's gonna be at least one clunky moment in the film where a scene is inorganically bent to give Poe, Finn, or Rey a moment that rightfully belonged to another character.

post #109 of 12083
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Sneider also said that an Asian actress has been or is going to be cast in the new female part... because TFA didn't do as well as expected in China... so they need that push.

Cast her, give her s prominent place in the credits, and then nearly cut her out of the entire movie.

Kinda like Rogue Nation.
post #110 of 12083
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Cast her, give her a big media push, and then nearly cut her out of the entire movie.

Kinda like Rogue Nation.


Or maybe come up with some China-only scenes like they did for Iron Man 3.

post #111 of 12083
Weird that when they were so busy copying everything they didn't think to copy yve trio dynamic... One of the most successful things about star wars... Hell you could even do the four humors last air bender style.
post #112 of 12083
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Or maybe come up with some China-only scenes like they did for Iron Man 3.

Supposedly, China wasn't so happy about that. So that might not happen that way again (when Chinese money is involved anyway).
post #113 of 12083

 The main reason I liked TFA as I did was because of Finn and Rey, and I would like to see more of Poe. I'm glad that episode 8 will focus on them. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Poe doesn't live though episode 9. I think its possible he will get the death scene that Ford wanted for Solo.

post #114 of 12083
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Sneider also said that an Asian actress has been or is going to be cast in the new female part... because TFA didn't do as well as expected in China... so they need that push.

I know how the business works, so nothing surprises me, but if Disney is truly going to make casting choices just to (potentially) make an extra $100m in China next time out, that's pretty greedy.  Like, even greedier than expected.  THE FORCE AWAKENS is only going to make them $2 billion worldwide, but I guess that's just not enough!  Next thing you know, they'll find some way to explain that the movie didn't turn a profit...

 

Obligatory disclaimer: I've got nothing against them casting an Asian actress in the new female role.

post #115 of 12083
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I know how the business works, so nothing surprises me, but if Disney is truly going to make casting choices just to (potentially) make an extra $100m in China next time out, that's pretty greedy.  Like, even greedier than expected.  THE FORCE AWAKENS is only going to make them $2 billion worldwide, but I guess that's just not enough!  Next thing you know, they'll find some way to explain that the movie didn't turn a profit...

 

Obligatory disclaimer: I've got nothing against them casting an Asian actress in the new female role.

Why would any business leave money on the table?

post #116 of 12083
Anyone who screams diversity gets their wish only because a business sees the dollar sign demand for it.
post #117 of 12083
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Why would any business leave money on the table?

I only brought it up in the context of the studio potentially mandating changes and casting choices just to appease/appeal to a certain market, rather than being organic to the process.  I’m a capitalist, I’ve got no problem with Disney trying to make as much as they can, but for me it’s more a question of how much more they even think the next STAR WARS could make based on these supposed choices.

 

And at the end of the day, if Rian Johnson can live with all this and is comfortable with it, then I'm fine with it.

post #118 of 12083
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I only brought it up in the context of the studio potentially mandating changes and casting choices just to appease/appeal to a certain market, rather than being organic to the process.  I’m a capitalist, I’ve got no problem with Disney trying to make as much as they can, but for me it’s more a question of how much more they even think the next STAR WARS could make based on these supposed choices.

 

And at the end of the day, if Rian Johnson can live with all this and is comfortable with it, then I'm fine with it.

Hell, he changed Looper from JGL wanting to go to France in the original script to wanting to go to China because of the investors money.  That's a pretty massive change.  

post #119 of 12083
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Hell, he changed Looper from JGL wanting to go to France in the original script to wanting to go to China because of the investors money.  That's a pretty massive change.  


That's a tough reality when it comes to getting investors. 

post #120 of 12083
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That's a tough reality when it comes to getting investors. 

If Chinese investors wanted to fund my movie I absolutely would make the changes!  But Looper was always funny because nobody would want to go to future China.  

post #121 of 12083
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If Chinese investors wanted to fund my movie I absolutely would make the changes!  But Looper was always funny because nobody would want to go to future China.  


Yeah, Rian actually made it a great plot point and character development within the script in regards to that. That's being proactive about something you can't change. 

post #122 of 12083

So, who do we like for the new lead: Doona Bae, Chloe Bennet, Nichole Bloom, Jamie Chung, Celina Jade, Ji-hyun Jun, Malese JowDichen LachmanKatrina LawShay Mitchell, Olivia Munn, Maggie QBrenda Song, Ellen Wong or Constance Wu?


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/17/16 at 7:49pm
post #123 of 12083

Barry, don't ask stupid questions.

 

It's obviously Chloe Bennet.

post #124 of 12083

If they'd be doing this because of China, wouldn't it need to be someone who's actually a star in China?

post #125 of 12083
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If they'd be doing this because of China, wouldn't it need to be someone who's actually a star in China?

Is she not?

post #126 of 12083

I have no idea.

 

I was just thinking in terms of those who would be considered 'homegrown' talent.  

post #127 of 12083
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I have no idea.

 

I was just thinking in terms of those who would be considered 'homegrown' talent.  

I know she lived in China and was a pop star.  

post #128 of 12083

post #129 of 12083

Chloe is already a part of the Disney family with Marvel's AGENTS OF SHIELD. It could be that the role is being reduced slightly to accommodate her TV schedule. Perhaps Ming-Na Wen (a STAR WARS mega-fan) could play her mother.

 

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/17/16 at 12:49pm
post #130 of 12083

What is going on?

post #131 of 12083
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What is going on?

Barry.

post #132 of 12083
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I know she lived in China and was a pop star.  

oh I see.

 

Never mind then.

post #133 of 12083

First major leak just happened with someone who's seen some concept art.  Originates from an Italian website, but it's been translated to English.  Sounds pretty epic (could even be the final act of the movie, so beware):

 

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The italian fandom site "www.guerrestellari.net" has published 2 Episode VIII scenes descriptions from concept arts that they managed to acquire thanks to an insider that has seen some concept arts. The scene descriptions are at the URL http://www.guerrestellari.net/2016/...queste-le-descrizioni-di-due-scene-del-film-2 , but I translated from italian to english here:
 
 
Scene 1 (single concept art image) - Ahch-To
 
In the scene there are Luke and Rey that appear to be engaged in lightsaber training under the rain on the planet of Ahch-To; Luke has his green saber, Rey has the blue one that belonged to her new Master and to Anakin before him. Rey and Luke's dresses are very similar to the ones they had in the final scene of The Force Awakens.
 
 
Scene 2 (taken from different concepts arts images pasted on the same paper and temporally connected) - Unknown Planet
 
The scene has been described as "epic" even if the quality of the images was lower than the previous one. It's a warfare scene, set at sunset on an unknown planet very similar of Takodana but with a palace/temple much bigger than the one belonged to Maz Kanata (perhaps the planet is Yavin 4?). In the first image there are war heavy fightings, with the Resistance on the edge to be defeaten. Chewbacca is in a corner to protect a wounded figure (unknown who he/she is) and appears to be screaming loud. Kylo Ren is on the battlefield with a crossguard lightsaber but with him there is another villain character with a red lightsaber (another Knight of Ren? Benicio Del Toro's character? It is unknown). On the Kylo Ren figure there is a post-it with the script "stronger than ever". Then there is a temporal sequence of images; on the first one you can see a ship coming from above with a door opening and some stormtroopers on the ground firing at it. In the next image you can see that Luke Skywalker and Rey were on the ship and behind the door that was opening; then they do a Force push together to push away the stormtroopers and jump down on the battlefield. Then the 2 vs 2 lightsaber battle against Kylo Ren and the other dark figure begins. In this sequence Luke has a different outfit, with hairs and a beard shorter and more refined, very similar to the last Mark Hamill photos appeared on the web. Luke's dresses surprisingly are very similar to the young Obi-Wan Kenobi of Ep.I ones, with the only differences to have short sleeves and a white habit.
 
 
On both the concept arts it was also written "not yet finished".
 
post #134 of 12083
Sounds nifty.
post #135 of 12083
Not reading. Going in 100% spoiler-free this time.

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4th Death Star?
If so then great, can't get enough of those things.
post #136 of 12083

It's actually 

 

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A second sarlaac pit
post #137 of 12083

oh ho!  You think this one will be unfinished like the one in Jedi... but the twist is... IT'S MORE FINISHED THAN EVER!!!

 

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It's actually 

 

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A second sarlaac pit
 

oh man... if only it was an entire planet as a sarlaac pit!  That would be totally-- oh wait, Unicron...

post #138 of 12083

I really hope that 

 

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Finn isn't the one Chewie is cradling/protecting... guy can't seem to catch a break
post #139 of 12083
post #140 of 12083
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Not one single polynesian actor huh Barry?

Seems kind of racist.
post #141 of 12083
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So, who do we like for the new lead: Doona Bae, Chloe Bennet, Nichole Bloom, Jamie Chung, Celina Jade, Ji-hyun Jun, Malese JowDichen LachmanKatrina LawShay Mitchell, Olivia Munn, Maggie QBrenda Song, Ellen Wong or Nicholas Cage?

 

Barry, you racist, misogynistic bastard. I bet you're related to the Coppolas, aren't you?

post #142 of 12083
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there is a post-it with the script "stronger than ever".

 

 

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post #143 of 12083

man, I'm so impressed by Blade's refusal to ever be out of post-its.

post #144 of 12083

According to my sources

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Disney will include all of Barry's what ifs in Episode 8.   All. of. them.
post #145 of 12083

I'd like to see them try.

post #146 of 12083

The only thing all of Barry's suggestions are going to go in is the eventual police file.

post #147 of 12083

unless some dark agent goes into the archives and deletes those files...

 

who?

for what purpose?

difficult to answer.... ooOOooooh weeeeeee

post #148 of 12083
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unless some dark agent goes into the archives and deletes those files...

 

who?

for what purpose?

difficult to answer.... ooOOooooh weeeeeee

It IS X-Files month.

 

The Truth is still out there...

post #149 of 12083
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The only thing all of Barry's suggestions are going to go in is the eventual police file.

Doesn't stalking Chloe Bennett already put him in the police file?
post #150 of 12083
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First major leak just happened with someone who's seen some concept art.  Originates from an Italian website, but it's been translated to English.  Sounds pretty epic (could even be the final act of the movie, so beware):

 

 

 

SPOILER SPACE I GUESS (man this is starting early...)

And yet more

A little more

That should be enough.

 

I really, sincerely was hoping we wouldn't see Luke use a lightsaber at all in this trilogy.  It strikes me as one of those things fans THINK they want to see, but anything they put on screen is going to be a letdown. 

 

And there's real STORY reasons not to have him use a saber at this point in his mastery of the Force as well:

 

Did Yoda use a lightsaber in Empire?  No?  Did the Emperor in JEDI?  No?   There's a reason.  At some level of power you shouldn't NEED a laser-sword to fight your battles.  This was one of the biggest disappointments of the Prequels, that they so utterly missed the mark on what mastery of the Force should Mean. Yoda can lift an X-wing with his mind, what the heck does he need a sword for?  I get that Obi-Wan used one briefly before going ghost, and this franchise seems hell-bent on turning Luke into Obi, but there's a beautiful non-mystery-box question hanging over the new films that putting a lightsaber in Luke's hands simply ruins:

 

After 30 years, exactly HOW POWERFUL IS HE?  THAT'S the question we all want to know, and see answered in an organic, emotionally fulfilling way that pays off the arc of growth for the character we saw in the OT.   

 

Someone up-thread (at least I think it was this thread) mentioned what a battle between JEDI masters should look like, and referenced Voldemort vs Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix.  Take away the wands and I agree 10000%.  Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren, some new bad guy, sure let them duke it out with the Force and their lightsabers.  But when Jedi Master Skywalker is forced to finally enter the battle, it shouldn't be with a sword.  After building up his presence into legendary-level McGuffin of the ENTIRE FIRST FILM status, Skywalker should basically be Neo from Reloaded.  I'm not saying the flying part because that's not Star Wars at all, but the "You don't have to dodge bullets" stuff.  The reality-warping, mad-wizard powers that seem to bend reality itself.  After all the buildup to finding him after 30 years, to have Luke be yet another bearded Jedi with a laser-sword is, well, boring.  And something the Prequels gave us oodles of.  We don't need to see Luke being Obi-wan with better choreography. Or being Qui-Gon.  Skywalker should be something we haven't seen before at this point in his life.  

 

Want to put a lightsaber in his hand?  Have him use it while he's training Rey, that makes total sense.  But when the chips are down and it's time to FIGHT?  To quote Dr. Jones misquoting Charlemagne: "Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky."   

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