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post #11701 of 12223

I don't see it.

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post #11703 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post
 

In which Mark Hamill has a rather... bleak pitch for what Luke's been up to between ROTJ and TLJ.

 

http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/04/star-wars-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-backstory/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

 

I'm getting the sense that Hamill really doesn't like the direction of Disney Star Wars and is trying to subvert it.

 

More power to him.

post #11704 of 12223

He clearly sees Luke as an extremely optimistic man and hates that he's essentially become just this sad sack utter failure.  Can't blame him.  It's probably not the direction I would have taken Luke either.

 

At least it appears to be interesting?

post #11705 of 12223
Yeh, I think this confident all powerful old man Luke like we imagined as kids is probably a very safe and boring direction.
post #11706 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Freeman View Post

At least it appears to be interesting?
Nah.
post #11707 of 12223
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Yeh, I think this confident all powerful old man Luke like we imagined as kids is probably a very safe and boring direction.

Doesn't have to be!

post #11708 of 12223
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Yeh, I think this confident all powerful old man Luke like we imagined as kids is probably a very safe and boring direction.

 

I'll accept that over boring, depressing, and not true to the character.

post #11709 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Malmordo View Post
 

 

As opposed to boring, depressing, and not true to the character.

Sell me on why it's not true to the character.

 

Man...  JJ REALLY pulled a masterstroke of fucking over Luke by employing his dumb mystery box at the end of TFA.  Intrigue in spite of character.

post #11710 of 12223

Maybe he doesn't like the fact that Luke has essentially become George Lucas: a young and passionate man with strong ideas for the future who was apparently beaten down by his failures, and retreated away from the public gaze until someone came visiting to remind him of the past in the hope of continuing the legacy themselves.  

post #11711 of 12223
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

Maybe he doesn't like the fact that Luke has essentially become George Lucas: a young and passionate man with strong ideas for the future who was apparently beaten down by his failures, and retreated away from the public gaze until someone came visiting to remind him of the past in the hope of continuing the legacy themselves.  

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

I love this.

post #11712 of 12223

If Lindsay Ellis tries to steal it, pour hotdogs over her! 

post #11713 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Social media fanboys were pretty on the money with Blade Runner though IMO.

I’ve aleady started to see some hate on Blade Runner 2049. Give it Time.
post #11714 of 12223
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

Maybe he doesn't like the fact that Luke has essentially become George Lucas: a young and passionate man with strong ideas for the future who was apparently beaten down by his failures, and retreated away from the public gaze until someone came visiting to remind him of the past in the hope of continuing the legacy themselves.  


Or he represents the older Star Wars fandom, filled with love and joy and hope even amidst Ewoks and the Max Reebo Band in 1983, now embittered and cynical after a failed attempt to recapture the old magic that ended up ultimately doing more harm than good for that future he had so many ideas about....

post #11715 of 12223
Or even both!
post #11716 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Malmordo View Post

I'll accept that over boring, depressing, and not true to the character.

You saw the movie? How was it?
post #11717 of 12223
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Or even both!


You know, I feel like there's gonna be thinkpieces about how Luke, Rey, and Kylo all sort of represent different aspects of the Star Wars fandom.

 

Luke - The older, now-cynical fandom, who are tired of all this Jedi vs Sith business and want to see new and original stories.

 

Rey - The New Fans, not embittered by the newer stuff but feeling out of their depth with how "big" the thing is at times.

 

Kylo - A combination of the folks that fetishize the Empire and those that feel like Star Wars should "grow up" and be "dark and edgy" to suit their older (but not really more mature) sensibilities and get angry when it's still mostly targeted at 8 year olds.

post #11718 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
 


You know, I feel like there's gonna be thinkpieces about how Luke, Rey, and Kylo all sort of represent different aspects of the Star Wars fandom.

 

Luke - The older, now-cynical fandom, who are tired of all this Jedi vs Sith business and want to see new and original stories.

 

Rey - The New Fans, not embittered by the newer stuff but feeling out of their depth with how "big" the thing is at times.

 

Kylo - A combination of the folks that fetishize the Empire and those that feel like Star Wars should "grow up" and be "dark and edgy" to suit their older (but not really more mature) sensibilities and get angry when it's still mostly targeted at 8 year olds.


Not before someone does a thinkpice on how I was right as a kid when I used to have my bounty hunter figures fight alongside my rebel figures. They were guns for hire so it made sense that the rebellion could pony up for a few extra credits to have them on their side. Had many an argument over that one.

post #11719 of 12223
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

Maybe he doesn't like the fact that Luke has essentially become George Lucas: a young and passionate man with strong ideas for the future who was apparently beaten down by his failures, and retreated away from the public gaze until someone came visiting to remind him of the past in the hope of continuing the legacy themselves.  

 

 

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Or he represents the older Star Wars fandom, filled with love and joy and hope even amidst Ewoks and the Max Reebo Band in 1983, now embittered and cynical after a failed attempt to recapture the old magic that ended up ultimately doing more harm than good for that future he had so many ideas about....

 

 

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Or even both!

 

Or.....Luke represents the once idealistic Baby Boomers who fucked over the world, leaving a legacy of wreakage for the Millenials to deal with!

post #11720 of 12223

Unless a problem can be solved by posting on a social media site with your smartphone, millennials ain't fixing shit.  Represented by C-3PO, they can speak 6,000,000 languages but can't make fucking sense to anybody.

post #11721 of 12223

Bang up job, parents!

post #11722 of 12223
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Bang up job, parents!

Yes, TV and social media are doing a shitty job of raising kids. That's pretty much what/who's in charge these days.

post #11723 of 12223
Kids today!

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

- Socrates
post #11724 of 12223
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Kids today!

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."

- Socrates


Yeah, it was a very amusing epiphany for me a few years ago when I was discussing how awful current music was and I suddenly realized I sounded like my parents talking about most of the music I liked 25 years ago.

 

"Kids these days" happens to every generation, and yet still the world turns.  Millennials will do the same thing in time.

post #11725 of 12223

NEVER! I'll never turn to the "kids these days" side.

post #11726 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

NEVER! I'll never turn to the "kids these days" side.

I've alread crosed that side ages ago.
post #11727 of 12223
I crossed that bridge when I was still a kid myself.
post #11728 of 12223

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post #11729 of 12223

Is she bleeding the blade?

post #11730 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Serpico Jones View Post
 

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This strikes me as slightly spoilery, as that's Kylo's saber.  I dunno.  Not really a spoiler.  But still. 

post #11731 of 12223

Is it Kylo's? It looks unstable like Kylo's, but it might be this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bleeding

post #11732 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

Is it Kylo's? It looks unstable like Kylo's, but it might be this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bleeding

It’s Kylo’s. He either throws it at her or she pulls it toward her, the guards then turn to attack her. This is all from the latest tv spot.
post #11733 of 12223

It was probably stupid of me to think I could avoid stuff by not watching any more footage but still reading this thread. Time to go on lockdown. See you all in the Post-Release!

post #11734 of 12223

As he shaped the story for Last Jedi, Johnson found it challenging to grapple with the "patterns" in the Star Wars movies.

 

"It was a real process. There's a lot of possibilities with how to take it... Even just as a Star Wars fan, you realize there are patterns etched into your brain of how you think it should go.  It's tough, because you don't want to let yourself be guided by those deep-set grooves in your brain, but you also don't want to make creative decisions just to spite those. It's an interesting line to ride. I felt that I had to be conscious of those patterns and those grooves. Whether I was going to subvert them or play along with them. You could say, 'I'm going to just ignore them and tell my story,' but then you're fooling yourself and you're probably just going along the same path. I had to be conscious of them and even incorporate them. This can't drive it, but you have to incorporate them, almost in a meta way, into the narrative itself."

 

For Johnson, the identity of Rey's parents is less important than the character's reaction to the information.

 

"What does it mean to her, what does it mean to us. I really, really believe that it has to be rooted in something that has an emotional impact, and that's the only thing that matters. Surprise is fine, but surprise by itself is cheap. The emotional and deeply-rooted resonance of 'I am your father' is why we remember it. Not because, 'Oh my god, I never would have guess that he was.' Now especially that that's set as a pattern, the audience's expectations are now that, 'Oh, you're going to pull something out of your hat for this or that.' And you can, and that'll be fine, but you better damn well make sure that it also means something and is satisfying beyond just the, 'Oh, it was this,' reveal."

 

At the very beginning of the creative process, Johnson hung out with Lucasfilm's Story Group because he didn't want to go nuts writing alone.

 

"I really wanted to have somebody to engage with while I was breaking the story, even before I started writing. For me, the scariest thing was coming into this and just doing it alone. I had visions of being Barton Fink – locked in a room, and it was due six months ago and I have three paragraphs written. That was my biggest fear. So the first thing I did was move up to San Francisco for three months. I was still coming up with the story. For me, I outline outline outline, and I notebook notebook notebook, then the last 10 percent of the process is actually typing the script. I plan it all out first. So while I was doing that, I was going in twice a week and sitting down and just vomiting these ideas out and talking them through with Kiri Hart and her whole group."

 

But the Story Group – who are known as continuity guardians – didn't have to do much reining in to keep Johnson in tune with the saga's growing new canon.

 

"That was part of it, but probably a smaller part of it than you would think. Because I was drawing forward from The Force Awakens, and also because I have had Star Wars implanted in my brain for the last 40 years, and I was trying to make a Star Wars movie. It's not like I was saying, 'and then they beam down to the planets.' [laughs] I know the mythology we're operating in. There weren't a lot of things where I had to be batted back into the cage. No, truly, the real usefulness of it was that they're really smart, cool people who I trusted, who I could toss stuff out to. Also, it was a lot less them saying, 'No, you can't do that.' It was a lot more them giving me permission to do things that I was like, 'Can I do this?' Especially when you're doing something as big and scary as a Star Wars movie, just being given that permission to be weird, I guess, that, more than anything, was really useful."

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/star-wars-the-last-jedi-14-things-we-learned-w513392


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/7/17 at 7:37am
post #11735 of 12223

 

In which we definitely see Luke, not Mark with a beard looking grumpy.

post #11736 of 12223

Is it weird that Hamill's one quick line in that commercial got me excited all over again, in a totally different way than before?

post #11737 of 12223

I liked it too.

 

I like that he's saying it to R2.

post #11738 of 12223

I haven't watched whatever is in that video above, but just the idea of Luke talking to R2 makes me smile. 

 

Really, seeing Luke with R2, Chewie, and (hopefully) C-3PO and Leia again is going to be great.

post #11739 of 12223

  Tonight's Pittsburgh Penguins game was Star Wars night. I thought I was just going to see people in the crowd costumes. It turns out Anthony Daniels was there. He did a short interview during the first intermission. He is happy that practical effects where used in the Last Jedi. He has been to Pittsburgh a few times because C-3PO has been inducted into CMU's Robot Hall of Fame. Lastly he likes the city, although all the bridges and tunnels took some getting used to. I know nothing of great substance was said, but it was still fun to watch. The Penguin won 4-3 in OT by the way. Oh and it was the first hockey game Daniels has watched.  


Edited by Chaz - 12/7/17 at 9:11pm
post #11740 of 12223
Of course fucking C-3PO shows up for the Penguins. We had Star Wars night the Saturday after Thanksgiving and all we got were a bunch of fat cosplayers who walked around trying to high five people like they were important.
post #11741 of 12223
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Of course fucking C-3PO shows up for the Penguins. We had Star Wars night the Saturday after Thanksgiving and all we got were a bunch of fat cosplayers who walked around trying to high five people like they were important.

Was one of them Kevin Smith?

post #11742 of 12223
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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post

  Tonight's Pittsburgh Penguins game was Star Wars night. I thought I was just going to see people in the crowd costumes. It turns out Anthony Daniels was there. He did a short interview during the first intermission. He is happy that practical effects where used in the Last Jedi. He has been to Pittsburgh a few times because C-3PO has been inducted into CMU's Robot Hall of Fame. Lastly he likes the city, although all the bridges and tunnels took some getting used to. I know nothing of great substance was said, but it was still fun to watch. The Penguin won 4-3 in OT by the way. Oh and it was the first hockey game Daniels has watched.  

Our Star Wars night here in Denver for the Avalanche is next Saturday vs Tampa. I didn’t even know it was Star Wars night until yesterday.
post #11743 of 12223

A bit of John Williams' score from THE LAST JEDI:

 

OST Track Titles:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
  1. Main Title And Escape (7:26)
  2. Ahch-To Island (4:23)
  3. Revisiting Snoke (3:29)
  4. The Supremacy (4:01)
  5. Fun With Finn And Rose (2:34)
  6. Old Friends (4:29)
  7. The Rebellion Is Reborn (4:00)
  8. Lesson One (2:10)
  9. Canto Bight (2:38)
  10. Who Are You? (3:04)
  11. The Fathiers (2:42)
  12. The Cave (3:00)
  13. Sacred Jedi Texts (3:33)
  14. A New Alliance (3:13)
  15. "Chrome Dome" (2:03)
  16. The Battle Of Crait (6:48)
  17. The Spark (3:36)
  18. The Last Jedi (3:04)
  19. Peace And Purpose (3:08)
  20. Finale (8:28)
post #11744 of 12223
Track 19 sounds a bit spoilerific.
post #11745 of 12223

I remember being at Tower Records with a friend right before Phantom Menace dropped.  The soundtrack was released before the movie and he picked the CD and then was like "ummm...don't look at that".  I looked at the track listing later and saw one of the tracks was named "The High Council Meeting and Qui-Gon's Funeral", so good call by him. 

 

I still do not understand why soundtracks to movies that have not hit theaters yet are released earlier.  I could see, maybe, if it was a compilation with a bunch of famous band or something, like The Crow, but why does anyone want to hear the score to a movie they haven't seen yet?

 

Side note.  Moments after that, some random guy saw us looking at the Star Wars display and he was like "I knew that girl from The Professional was going to grow up to be fucking hot!".  Always thought that was kind of...creepy.  Ah, memories.

post #11746 of 12223
When does the score release? I want some samples, damn it!
post #11747 of 12223

I listened to the Thor: Ragnarok soundtrack before seeing the movie. But nothing felt like it was specifically written for the context of the scene, and some light, fun spacey-synth stuff made the work day more enjoyable.

 

But Star Wars scores? That ain't right. Williams scores the films for the films, and too many great moments would be diluted by recognizing the music beforehand. Like when Finn and Rey and running towards the quad-jumper (or kwod-jumpah), it gets blown up and the Falcon is revealed -- that's a fantastic cue in the score, and made my heart swell when it happened in the theater. Hearing that before seeing the film might have taken the oomph out of it while seeing the film.

post #11748 of 12223
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

When does the score release? I want some samples, damn it!


The score will be available on CD and digital as of December 15th.  It may leak earlier than that for those who want to go looking.

 

Either way, I'll be waiting to hear it first in the movie itself.

post #11749 of 12223
I think I had listened to some of the TFA score before hand, but im quote Happy this time to save all of it for the theater... except that damn theme I heard last night here. Hit me for listening.
post #11750 of 12223
It actually enhances the movie when I hear snippets beforehand. The Lord of the Rings score definitely enhanced things before I even saw the film. It made things feel comfortable.
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