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Exactly what I'm jazzed about. Most of the people bitching around the internet about this really come off as bitter because they didn't want that to happen, they wanted a time capsule so to speak of nostalgic nonsense so they could feel all their favorite feelings about their favorite characters. The "backlash" from people around the net (which seems to come mainly from people who really actually dug the Star Wars Expanded Universe Novels which I found cringe worthy at best) really seems like a whole divorce from reality because the new cannon is not their head cannon or even faithful to the spirit of it, so this film pretty much thoroughly gutted people who's ultimate fantasy growing up was Han and Leia totes being an adorable couple with a bunch of kids who are all Jedi and Luke getting married to Mara Jade and basically living happily ever after and all that trashy fan fic. 

​I have even seen posts from people saying this film is such a betrayal that the Yuuzhan Vong/New Jedi Order plot verbatim would have been preferred to this. All because big bad Disney stuck it to them. 

​I mean the crowd that was really totally convinced for reasons I could never hope to understand and actually hyped about Snoke turning out to be Anakin's father aka Darth Plagueis The Wise are really like having seizures over this shit. Total fucking meltdown in the pit of fanboy/girl hell right now.

​I'm over here like this means it's finally cool to like Star Wars again! 

 



WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN SNOKE ISN'T DARTH PLAGUEIS AND REY ISN'T A FEMALE CLONE OF OBI-WAN KENOBI?!?

post #12152 of 12254

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape View Post
 

I think the reaction to Last Jedi is going to be very, very different from how these films are usually received.  It's going to be pretty mixed initially, with people coming around on it in the months and years ahead.

This is totally true, although I think it will be a bigger financial success than TFA, the audience reaction is no doubt going to be mixed I mean, a lot of people actually really hated the idea that Darth Vader was Luke's dad and were totally in denial over it or thought it was a total betrayal to the characters, people were really not feeling Han Solo in carbonite either at the time. 



 

post #12153 of 12254
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This is totally true, although I think it will be a bigger financial success than TFA, the audience reaction is no doubt going to be mixed I mean, a lot of people actually really hated the idea that Darth Vader was Luke's dad and were totally in denial over it or thought it was a total betrayal to the characters, people were really not feeling Han Solo in carbonite either at the time. 
Those kinds of cliffhanger twists are often made or broken by how well the follow up is received, which we obviously won’t know for a long time yet.
It also makes perfect sense that some people’s immediate reaction to a revelation designed to be upsetting (like the I am your father) would be to get upset.
post #12154 of 12254
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This is totally true, although I think it will be a bigger financial success than TFA, the audience reaction is no doubt going to be mixed I mean, a lot of people actually really hated the idea that Darth Vader was Luke's dad and were totally in denial over it or thought it was a total betrayal to the characters, people were really not feeling Han Solo in carbonite either at the time. 



 

 

I'll back this up.  At the time of release, a lot or people didn't care for TESB at all, mainly because it was darker and ended on a cliffhanger.  it really only gained in prestige in later years when people could immediately watch ROTJ afterwards.  Over time, it went from being 'the weak one' to 'the best one.'

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I always thought ESB was disliked to begin with because of the slower Dagobah section. As a kid I hated the boring dark, wet, muddy middle bit. I wanted spaceships and lightsabers.
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I always thought ESB was disliked to begin with because of the slower Dagobah section. As a kid I hated the boring dark, wet, muddy middle bit. I wanted spaceships and lightsabers.

 

That didn't help, at least at the time.  None of us were expecting the sequel to be so different from the original.  What was seen as a weakness then is now revered as a strength.  I sure remember ROTJ coming out and being hailed as being 'the best of the series' by all of my friends (I was 13 at the time).  It was only when all three of them hit VHS and you could marathon the trilogy in a sitting that EMPIRE began to stand out as being the best of the lot.

post #12157 of 12254
I grew up with older friends who started me out preferring TESB from the beginning, but also my favorite childhood movie was E.T. so it didn't really take a lot for TESB to similarly grow on me. My earliest theater experience (that I remember) was The Last Crusade and I was 4. 13 year old me noticed the bad acting and crap writing but was totally into the lightsaber play and world building in The Phantom Menace and had a good idea of what I liked and didn't like when it came out, Attack of the Clones I was into at first but quickly I was over it, and by the time Revenge of the Sith came out I swore the prequels off entirely and I've never really watched any of them since. 

​TFA...I was like ya that's a good film. But now I don't think I'd revisit it but I don't hate it so much as I just feel that it's a really long introduction and nothing really moves during it. I mean the inciting incident of the film isn't even really until the last like 10 minutes. Crap writing all around. 

​But perhaps in hindsight it might be improved by TLJ...

 

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Those kinds of cliffhanger twists are often made or broken by how well the follow up is received, which we obviously won’t know for a long time yet.
It also makes perfect sense that some people’s immediate reaction to a revelation designed to be upsetting (like the I am your father) would be to get upset.

In the case of TLJ though there are a lot of very vocal and opinionated hardcore "we actually read all the novels and comics" Star Wars fan types who were heavy theorizing where this was all going and really hyping their selves up for totally outlandish insane things that had no basis at all and just assumed they were right and went to see this thinking they were right because TFA spoilers were everywhere really early and a lot of the gaps were really easy to fill in.

​The thing about that is most of the people that I have seen complaining  haven't actually seen the film, they have only read the spoilers online from people who have and what's funny is that most of the people that have seen it (who I have read reactions from) seem to be mainly digging it.

But ya in general what you say is is totally true and you make an important point, how good Episode IX is will effect how people see TLJ. I just keep hoping something happens and JJ ends up changing his mind and just being a producer on it, or at least brings in Rian to write it. I think JJ could be a perfectly serviceable director as long as he's treated like a hired hand and not like the man in charge of it all.

post #12158 of 12254

Wrong thread.

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Well, I'm off to see it.  Pumped!

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Got my ticket for tomorrow, today. Hoowah!
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I have a few hours to go....

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Tuesday is a long wait for me.
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Six hours until I see Ferdinand!
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Six hours before I see Ferdinand!


*Twice.

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Seriously, though, why is that movie coming out now?
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Seriously, though, why is that movie coming out now?

Sacrifices have to be made. Few days ago it was the 15th anniversary of when Paramount sacrificed STAR TREK NEMESIS to THE TWO TOWERS.
post #12167 of 12254
I believe I saw Nemesis first.
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There was a Star Trek: Nemesis billboard in the South Loop of Chicago for years.  It was my only reminder that it even came out since I tried to block the release from my memory.

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took a quick peek at the SuperHeroHype forums...

 

man, this film is PISSING off some of the hardcore Star Wars nerds. 

 

and I am loving every second of that bizness.

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took a quick peek at the SuperHeroHype forums...

 

man, this film is PISSING off some of the hardcore Star Wars nerds. 

 

and I am loving every second of that bizness.

 

Oh yeah, there was one poster who said that Star Wars was forever ruined for him.

 

Didn't he watch The Phantom Menace in 1999?

post #12171 of 12254
About to see it in twenty min.

Kind of hyped.
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So I just got back from this and I'm going to attempt to do a brief spoiler free review here. 

​First off I want to say I totally stand by all of my previous comments, the ending was brilliant and so on but there are some unfortunately not so good things about this. 

The film suffers from a lot of the same problems as The Force Awakens, and that it wants to do too much but sits around way too often doing nothing, but it adds another problem on top of that: there are entirely too many characters too many named characters at that and there is still no real chief protagonist leading the charge.  

​Holdo is a 100% inconsequential character that could have just been a fucking auto pilot and totally did not need to be named and her presence mainly ruined what should have been Poe Dameron's time to shine. Again the film totally sidelines him in the most stupid of ways.

​Similarly, DJ is also a totally completely inconsequential film. His character should have been merged with Rose and Finn and otherwise followed the same plot.

​Rian Johnson just made some severely poor choices in the editing room, literally like 15-30% of the movie is garbage that should be on the cutting room floor. It's kind of very amateurish (really terribly awkward attempts at humor) stuff that a seasoned screenwriter would not use. 
 

But the ending he lands pitch perfect except 1 pretty big detail. Leia's character arch is finish here and she's still alive. She's really got nothing to do anymore. I'm just worried about where they will go next.

​As it stands, I rate this film 3.7/5 stars.

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Me dodging spoilers until Monday afternoon like

 

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i know right.

 

i realized this morning that I can't be on Twitter until I see this thing.

 

people just sort of flippantly assume that everyone that cares was able to go to a Thursday showing.

 

I HAVE THREE KIDS YO

post #12175 of 12254
Five kids to feed???
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Why is there a character named "DJ" when people in SW use that funky space alphabet, anyway?
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Why is there a character named "DJ" when people in SW use that funky space alphabet, anyway?

Why does that matter? I doubt Luke's name is spelled "Luke Skywalker" in universe.
post #12178 of 12254
No, but he's not named for a pair of letters, is he?
post #12179 of 12254
So?
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So what's a "D" and what's a "J" in this context? Inquiring minds want to know.
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So what's a "D" and what's a "J" in this context? Inquiring minds want to know.



post #12182 of 12254
man, tumor hates holdo so much!
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I don't take life advice from someone who had to get a ghostwriter for TekWar.
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for those who have seen the movie, how's the score?

 

in my spoiler-free skim milk life, I haven't seen any mention of it, positively or negatively.

 

other than the classic Star Wars themes, is it just sorta there?

post #12185 of 12254
Kinda

I really enjoy it on the score album though
post #12186 of 12254
It's a John Williams score. What else is there to say?
post #12187 of 12254
It's on YouTube to listen to.

I like it. No real new themes but lovely all the same.

So close John to finishing the Star Wars episodes. One more to go!

Has any composer stuck with a series for 9 instalments over 40 years? Doubt it.
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I can only think of John Barry scoring 12 James Bond films in 25 years. I can't think of any other franchise with a large number of films mostly scored by the same composer.

What makes it interesting is that while Barry and Williams retained a certain sound for those franchise their approach evolved over the years to make it more interesting.
post #12189 of 12254
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It's on YouTube to listen to.

I like it. No real new themes but lovely all the same.

So close John to finishing the Star Wars episodes. One more to go!

Has any composer stuck with a series for 9 instalments over 40 years? Doubt it.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

The Rebellion is Reborn

is a concert version of Rose's theme, and it's probably the score highlight.

 

In front of our fan screening yesterday, we actually got a little five-minute featurette w/ Williams talking about scoring these films over the years, with footage dating all the way back to the first scoring session for the original film. It was lovely!

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In front of our fan screening yesterday, we actually got a little five-minute featurette w/ Williams talking about scoring these films over the years, with footage dating all the way back to the first scoring session for the original film. It was lovely!

 

yeah, that was pretty great.  I was hoping for more when it came to receiving 'exclusive fan content', but that was pretty cool.

post #12191 of 12254

  Less than two hours till I see this and I have a big ass smile just thinking about it. After two years of speculating what comes next, I finally get to see this. This has been a fun thread. Say what you will about the pros and cons of more Star Wars movies, but it has lead to a lot of vibrant discussion. See ya in the post thread release in a few hours.

post #12192 of 12254
Your innocence is adorable. I recommend staying far, far away from the post-release.
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LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN THERE CHAZ!

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LISTEN TO HIM NOT CHAZ
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yooooo hoooooooo

 

come on innnnn chaaaaaazzzzz

 

listen to our caaaaaalllllllll

 

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 You should have used a gif of Alyson Hannigan if you wanted my attention. Anyway I guess sometime after 1:00 is when I will posting my thoughts on this.

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I've already had two things spoiled because I have itchie trigger finger over spoiler text. Do not. Go in there.
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All I'm going to say is, if you don't like this movie, then you're a fuddy duddy.

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