Originally Posted by Freeman
The second I give THIS film that much thought I feel like a fucking idiot, as should you. That's not even the level the original Star Wars was operating on, but at least you're not so distracted by aggressively distracting stuff with films like the OT, Guardians, Serenity. You can afford to get into deeper discussions with those films because they're not hot messes.
I think calling it a "hot mess" is getting a bit hyperbolic - Take away the nit-picking issues like R2D2 waking up at such and such a time and the edit that makes it look like Leia walks past Chewie post-Han, etc... (and annoying or not, I do think these are nit-picks the likes of which we could find in the OT if we cared to look for them) and this film has only one real, structural issue in that the Starkiller is a vestigial structure from an earlier script.
Taken another way, every Star Wars film to date has followed the stakes and framing narrative of the Opening Crawl... except Episode VII. Episode VII spends 2/3 of the film following the opening crawl's plot, and then screen time is given to a different film, and then it ends with the culmination of the quest set out in the opening. This is purely a writing issue, and once the decision was made to shoot that script there's not a director in the world who could have delivered a structurally different film, which is what would be needed. The fact that the director was one of the screenwriters in this case (and because it's, you know, STAR WARS) is why this is getting more attention then the hundred other films we've watched in the last 2 decades with half-baked scripts whose directors hoped to "find it in the edit."