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post #201 of 12213
Didn't see much Malick in TFA, perhaps it was in the scenes that were cut.

Or perhaps we'll see them in Episode VIII.
post #202 of 12213

I can see his name-dropping of Malick applying to the more 'still' (and probably the best) parts of establishing Rey's world.  But I see that more as Miyazaki/Nausicaa influenced for obvious reasons.

 

Name-dropping Malick for this reminds me of James Mangold's 10 inspirations in making THE WOLVERINE.

 

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  1. Chungking Express
  2. The Outlaw Josey Wales
  3. The Samurai Trilogy
  4. Floating Weeds
  5. Black Narcissus
  6. Happy Together
  7. 13 Assassins
  8. The French Connection
  9. Chinatown
  10. Shane

oooooh-weeeee, that's nice.

 

But then what we got really only resulted in... THE WOLVERINE (which I enjoyed, but was really let down by the finale).

 

Not that these movies need to wear these influences on their sleeves to feel 'legitimate'.  What inspires a filmmaker is what inspires a filmmaker.  We only have the final film to judge.

post #203 of 12213
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I can see his name-dropping of Malick applying to the more 'still' (and probably the best) parts of establishing Rey's world.  But I see that more as Miyazaki/Nausicaa influenced for obvious reasons.

Yeah, those moments with Rey didn't exactly make me think of the poetic quiet beauty of The Thin Red Line.

post #204 of 12213
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Yeah, those moments with Rey didn't exactly make me think of the poetic quiet beauty of The Thin Red Line.

I mean... if Abrams had decided to shoot them with the superficial dressing of Malick the way Snyder did with Man of Steel (shallow depth of field... handheld... butterflies in focus...), I can see people just lapping it up saying "UNGH UNGH STAR WAR BY WAY OF MALICK!!!"

 

The visuals are the visuals.  But obviously, the film's plot really prevents the narrative from feeling like anything more than a star war remake/rehash/remix/repurposing.  In the end, it just ends up feeling like a marginally toned down Abrams... which is usually a shallow version of Spielberg.

post #205 of 12213
The establishing Rey scenes were the best part of the film and they amounted for about 15 minutes of the film max.

It's so odd that people are still drinking the JJ/Disney Kool Aid when the results are right up there on screen.
post #206 of 12213
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The establishing Rey scenes were the best part of the film and they amounted for about 15 minutes of the film max.
 

I also really enjoyed the way the opening of the film switched between following Poe then Ren then Finn and back again.  It all felt fresh and energetic.

 

And that cut from the close-up of Finn in his bloody helmet jump-cutting to Rey in her mask opening up a panel in the star-destroyer.  Yay!

post #207 of 12213
Why are you discussing this in this thread?
post #208 of 12213

I DUNNOOOOO I DUNNOOOOOO!!!!

 

It's just where the discussion went!!!

post #209 of 12213
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I also really enjoyed the way the opening of the film switched between following Poe then Ren then Finn and back again.  It all felt fresh and energetic.

 

And that cut from the close-up of Finn in his bloody helmet jump-cutting to Rey in her mask opening up a panel in the star-destroyer.  Yay!

I like that cut a lot.  I like the entire five or so minutes after that.  The sand sled when her theme comes in for the first time is MAGICAL.  See?  I can compliment The Force Awakens.  

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which is usually a shallow version of Spielberg.

He could have leaned into the Search For Luke storyline by way of Raiders of the Lost Ark.  

post #210 of 12213
The whole attack on the village right up to Finn removing his helmet felt like a prologue with the stark metallic whoosh/clank of Rey opening the door being the main start of the film. It was different for a SW film. I loved that.

Eta - what Freeman said. He seemed to have seen the same cut of the film I did.
post #211 of 12213

"I think that’s what Larry Kasdan taught me most of all, which is: don’t work so hard. Trust the audience. Trust the characters and that the audience will feel more, in a way, the less you explain the stuff to them. And the challenge is always to make it satisfying and clear and not feel like you’re being preached to." - J.J. Abrams

 

http://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-told-us-the-origin-story-of-star-wars-the-1747119292

post #212 of 12213

"WHEN THAT LIGHT GOES DOWN, THE CHARGING WILL BE COMPLETE!!!  SO WE HAVE UNTIL THEN TO BLOW UP THIS DEATH STAR 3!!!"
 

nice try jj binks

 

Good job not preaching to us... except the part of making it satisfying and clear and telling us "Until the next movie!".  ohohohohoho

post #213 of 12213
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"I think that’s what Larry Kasdan taught me most of all, which is: don’t work so hard. Trust the audience. Trust the characters and that the audience will feel more, in a way, the less you explain the stuff to them. And the challenge is always to make it satisfying and clear and not feel like you’re being preached to." - J.J. Abrams

 

http://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-told-us-the-origin-story-of-star-wars-the-1747119292

Yeah I could have stood more splainin' about a LOT of very basic stuff, JJ.  You might trust me to figure this shit out, but I don't trust you to tell it.  

post #214 of 12213

Peter Sciretta: "When you're developing this story, and this isn't me prying for info, but how do you balance developing this one movie versus planting the seeds for the rest of the new trilogy of films that have announced? Do you end up writing a treatment for the three films?"

 

J.J. Abrams: "We didn't write a treatment but there are countless times we came up with something and said: oh, this would be so great for Episode VIII or that's what we could get to in IX! It was just that kind of forward moving story. But we knew this had to neither be a backwards moving nostalgic trip only nor a beginning of a movie without a satisfying conclusion, and that was part of the balancing act — embracing what we have inherited and using that where and whenever possible to tell a story that hasn't been seen yet. We also knew that certain things were inevitable in our minds but that didn't mean it would be inevitable for whoever came in next. When Rian Johnson, who I admire enormously and adore, came on board, we met and talked with him about all the things we were working on and playing with, and he as a spectacular writer and director has taken those things and has written an amazing script that I think will be an incredible next chapter, some of which incorporating things we were thinking of and other things are things we could never have dreamed of."

 

http://www.slashfilm.com/jj-abrams-interview-star-wars-the-force-awakens/


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/19/16 at 12:44pm
post #215 of 12213
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But we knew this had to neither be a backwards moving nostalgic trip only nor a beginning of a movie without a satisfying conclusion, 

engh

post #216 of 12213

Why can I envision JJ Abrams in that "Sorry, I was eating a Milky Way" commercial while giving that interview?

post #217 of 12213

What if Freeman directed The Force Awakens??

 

post #218 of 12213

even worse

post #219 of 12213

With Emma Watson as Darth Naked Hermione.

post #220 of 12213
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With Emma Watson as Darth Naked Hermione.

It's going to be that Snow White and the Huntsman movie all over again!

post #221 of 12213
tell tha teh kanjikloooub!
post #222 of 12213
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UGH.  You guys should just wear your red "Make CHUD Great Again" ball caps and be done with it.  

What about a Warner Brother's ball cap?
post #223 of 12213

and (neck) ties

post #224 of 12213
Anybody here talking about Episode 8, or has it become Chewers Who Should Know Better Being Giant Douches To Each Other?
post #225 of 12213

I hope Episode 8 is good!

post #226 of 12213
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Anybody here talking about Episode 8, or has it become Chewers Who Should Know Better Being Giant Douches To Each Other?

Pfffft.  This is us being downright chummy and cuddly.

post #227 of 12213
I hope Rey learns some new skills.
post #228 of 12213
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The harping on the Chewie hug is what really gets to me.  He already had a hug with Leia when she first shows up, and there's nothing to indicate they can't catch up afterwards.  Hell, to have another hug would be redundant, and maybe they even shot one, but from an editing/storytelling standpoint, Rey is the one we needed to see at that point.

Han and Chewie (who had the best plan), just saved the galaxy and then Han was murdered by the son he shares with Leia and you care more about Rey's reaction than Leia and Chewie's? You think the most vital character in the wake of Han's death is a girl who's known him for a day and a half rather than the two people who have loved him the most in the entire galaxy for thousands of parsecs? And you regard the coming together in deeeeeep mourning of two people who've just lost a mutual loved one as a "catch up"? What kind of monster are you Scottie?

Unless you're more machine than man, how does it make any sense from any point of view for Chewie and Leia to straight BLANK each other the first time they encounter each other after the death of their beloved Han Solo? There are some things the goofyasfuck "let's wait and see if the next movie fixes it" bollocks almost works for, but JJ's treatment of that scene is an unforgivable betrayal of character on a fundamental level that cannot, under any circumstances, go unpunished.
post #229 of 12213
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Pfffft.  This is us being downright chummy and cuddly.

Thanks! Answers both parts of the question, too!
post #230 of 12213
Scottie is the type of guy who hugs complete total strangers when they pull up outside his house and get out of their car. That's why the Leia/Rey scene makes so much sense to him.
post #231 of 12213
Also, quit being crybabies about the TFA thread being only negativity. I posted a ton of positivity about the film in there and almost none of it got responses aside from, "Heck yeah bro, that was rad." Which I welcomed with open arms and which I do myself, but it's not the kind of thing that's ever going to get much momentum.

Of course the contentious stuff is going to have more legs than the stuff everyone agrees on. How could it ever be any different?
post #232 of 12213
Quit being a crybaby about hugs and your da, Bucho!!
post #233 of 12213
Oh, I dunno.  Maybe if the movie raised an interesting question, had an ambiguous ending that left the entire film open for discussion.  Had interesting new ideas and concepts and dynamics to mull over.
 
I wonder how many of you MAKE CHUD GREAT AGAIN trumpsters showed up in the Anomalisa thread?  Or do you only care about kids movies?
post #234 of 12213

Just saying they made their choice by having them embrace when she first shows up, and a second embrace may have felt redundant in the cut.  Honestly, I think the latter would have made more sense, but then, I'm not making Star War.

post #235 of 12213
Aaaaaand I'm out again. Enjoy Freeman having all the answers and mocking you for liking the subject of the thread.
post #236 of 12213
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Just saying they made their choice by having them embrace when she first shows up, and a second embrace may have felt redundant in the cut.  Honestly, I think the latter would have made more sense, but then, I'm not making Star War.

But how would the second have been redundant when it would have had a vastly different meaning than the first? The first is a "So happy to see you me old cobber, I missed you," beat that's almost comedic and the second would be a "So tore the heck up that we lost our boy (to our other boy)" beat that would be total sadface and reflect what an engaged audience would be going through at that moment.

You either need both or neither. As it is the first is a setup for a payoff that not only never comes, it's actively dropped by having the characters share the frame again, but with zero emotional contact, so the first is reduced to meaningless fanservice.
post #237 of 12213
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Aaaaaand I'm out again. Enjoy Freeman having all the answers and mocking you for liking the subject of the thread.

Just use "ignore" if it gets to you Slim. There's actually only about 3 posters who post 100% negative about TFA, so it'd be a shame if you couldn't mix it up with the other 30 who are high on most of the film.

Either that or start a Positive Only thread like they did for Ultron. I'd be happy for somewhere to go on and on about how much I love Rey's blaster without meanies dissing it for looking like a bar of soap.
post #238 of 12213

Who said Rey's blaster looked like a bar of soap?  Also, I said a positive comment like five posts ago I was so nice.

 

Also I've shattered and destroyed the spirits of like two or three Jedi over this movie.  I'm like Darth Maul if he won.  

post #239 of 12213
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Aaaaaand I'm out again. Enjoy Freeman having all the answers and mocking you for liking the subject of the thread.


Devin = Vader
Freeman = Kylo Ren.

It's like poetry. It rhymes.


(sorry Freeman, the joke just wrote itself. You know I love you. If you don't, ask Kanjiklub).
post #240 of 12213
I said Rey's blaster looks like a bar of soap. You know why? Because it looks like a bar of soap.

Also, you know what else is just like poetry and rhymes? Leia dissed Chewie in the medal ceremony in Star Wars and again she ignored him at the end of TFA. That's some high-concept shit JJ had going on and it went straight over our collective heads! Jesus, Ambler was right, there are hidden depths in this movie!
post #241 of 12213

I love you too buddy!  Don't forget!

 

I will finish, what he started.

post #242 of 12213
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I said Rey's blaster looks like a bar of soap. You know why? Because it looks like a bar of soap.

Also, you know what else is just like poetry and rhymes? Leia dissed Chewie in the medal ceremony in Star Wars and again she ignored him at the end of TFA. That's some high-concept shit JJ had going on and it went straight over our collective heads! Jesus, Ambler was right, there are hidden depths in this movie!

OMFG!  Leia was a secret racist all this time?!  Big walking carpet is like the N word of the Star Wars universe!  Oh my Gawwwwd!

 

And leave Rey's Blaster alone.  It's the coolest soap gun I've ever seen!

post #243 of 12213
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OMFG!  Leia was a secret racist all this time?!  Big walking carpet is like the N word of the Star Wars universe!  Oh my Gawwwwd!

 

And the only time she makes good with Chewbacca is manipulating him into strangling Lando because she doesn't trust black people!!

post #244 of 12213
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I said Rey's blaster looks like a bar of soap. You know why? Because it looks like a bar of soap.

It's hardly the movie's fault you exclusively use blaster-shaped soap.
post #245 of 12213

Speaking of soap... Anakin's soap of choice?

 

You guessed it:

 

post #246 of 12213
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Speaking of soap... Anakin's soap of choice?

 

You guessed it:

 

It's sad that it didn't quite work the way the package said it would.

post #247 of 12213
he used the same goddamned lava you did and he ended up looking like a maxi pad...
Edited by mcnooj82 - 1/19/16 at 7:02pm
post #248 of 12213

I demand a recall, nooj.

post #249 of 12213
tell da teh kaaanjeklooouuub
post #250 of 12213

Pushed back to December 2017.  Head to head against AVATAR 2!

 

Two men enter, one man leaves!

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