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post #351 of 12243
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Yeah, but then it's just telling us all stuff we already know. Which isn't so bad, I guess, just kinda weird.


True, but look at the opening paragraph of RETURN OF THE JEDI's crawl...

 

"Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."

 

All of that is stuff we knew was going to be happening based on explicit lines of dialogue from the last scene of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.  It's not a one-to-one comparison, but it's still re-setting the table with information we already knew.

post #352 of 12243
Yah, but the ROTJ scroll also gives us some info we didn't have before.
post #353 of 12243

Well, of course.  Like I said, I'd expect that's what the first two paragraphs will impart to the audience - the current state of play in the galaxy after the destruction of both the New Republic government and Starkiller Base.

post #354 of 12243

I'm still quite cynical about how much VII drew on the original trilogy (they could have hewn close to ANH's vibe and storytelling goals without having a desert planet, secret data in a droid, and a planet-destroying superweapon) but it really did do a good job establishing the characters and setting the table for what's to come.

 

Hopefully in two years we don't have Rian Johnson saying 'I hear you about the similarities between this and ESB, and let me tell you, they are totally deliberate' after Ep VIII starts off with a snow battle, Rey rushing off to save Finn and Poe against Luke's urgings, Poe getting trapped somehow as a cliffhanger, and Rey being seriously injured. 

post #355 of 12243
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Well, of course.  Like I said, I'd expect that's what the first two paragraphs will impart to the audience - the current state of play in the galaxy after the destruction of both the New Republic government and Starkiller Base.
But not enough time has passed for the state of play to have changed. Sure, it can summarize everything that changed in TFA, but again, that would just be giving us stuff an informed viewer of TFA would have already known.

That's not a big deal, of course. Just an observation.
post #356 of 12243

I predict EPISODE VIII will begin either before or after the end of THE FORCE AWAKENS, and that we'll be getting our first non-linear STAR WARS flick.

post #357 of 12243

In case y'all missed the memo, the flashbacks in THE FORCE AWAKENS, a first for the saga, were referred to as Forcebacks in the script. What if the bulk of Rian Johnson's weird EPISODE VIII is a series of Memento-style Forcebacks? As Yoda said: "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future…the past. Old friends long gone." Start the picture in media res as our heroes are in their most desperate hour, and then go all non-linear with it, weaving in and out of time via the Force.

post #358 of 12243
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But not enough time has passed for the state of play to have changed. Sure, it can summarize everything that changed in TFA, but again, that would just be giving us stuff an informed viewer of TFA would have already known.

I mean, I guess?  But there are questions I have that I'd like clarification on.  For instance, how damaging was is to the First Order that Starkiller Base was blown up?  What are the ramifications of the Republic government being destroyed?  Were there contingencies in place to ensure a continuity of government if attacked?  What is the next move for Leia and the Resistance?  As someone else mentioned a few posts back, the crawl can make it a bit more clear to audience members (who haven't read all the tie-in books, visual dictionaries, or message boards) how all the pieces fit together, and how the factions are placed in relation to each other at this point.

 

However, I get your overall point.  Having VIII pick up basically immediately after VII (if that's the case) is going to feel a bit strange, in the sense that it's a deviation from traditional STAR WARS structure.  I'm fine with it, though; I think we'd kind of be cheated if they were to suddenly skip ahead months or years, because I really want to see how Rey and Luke interact upon first meeting each other.

post #359 of 12243
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

I predict EPISODE VIII will begin either before or after the end of THE FORCE AWAKENS, and that we'll be getting our first non-linear STAR WARS flick.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

In case y'all missed the memo, the flashbacks in THE FORCE AWAKENS, a first for the saga, were referred to as Forcebacks in the script. What if the bulk of Rian Johnson's weird EPISODE VIII is a series of Memento-style Forcebacks? As Yoda said: "Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future…the past. Old friends long gone." Start the picture in media res as our heroes are in their most desperate hour, and then go all non-linear with it, weaving in and out of time via the Force.

I think a filmmaker could get away with that kind of playful structural experimentation in one of the STAR WARS STORY/ANTHOLOGY films, but I don't know if you can break the narrative patterns and traditions in such a huge way on the proper Episodes.  Or, rather, I don't see Disney/Lucasfilm allowing it to happen on the proper Episodes.

post #360 of 12243

Laura Freaking Dern and Benecio Del Toro in a Rian Johnson SW film featuring Old Master Luke.

 

Fuck, why aren't there tickets on sale RIGHT NOW?

post #361 of 12243
Man, Luke looks like he's seen some shit in that profile shot.
post #362 of 12243
Luke's all like, "No, I don't want to autograph your dumb lightsaber."
post #363 of 12243
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Originally Posted by Belloq87 View Post
 

I mean, I guess?  But there are questions I have that I'd like clarification on.  For instance, how damaging was is to the First Order that Starkiller Base was blown up?  What are the ramifications of the Republic government being destroyed?  Were there contingencies in place to ensure a continuity of government if attacked?  What is the next move for Leia and the Resistance?  As someone else mentioned a few posts back, the crawl can make it a bit more clear to audience members (who haven't read all the tie-in books, visual dictionaries, or message boards) how all the pieces fit together, and how the factions are placed in relation to each other at this point.

 

However, I get your overall point.  Having VIII pick up basically immediately after VII (if that's the case) is going to feel a bit strange, in the sense that it's a deviation from traditional STAR WARS structure.  I'm fine with it, though; I think we'd kind of be cheated if they were to suddenly skip ahead months or years, because I really want to see how Rey and Luke interact upon first meeting each other.

Yeah, that's the thing.  Luke and Rey's first interaction with each other (beyond what we already saw at the end of TFA) seems far too huge a moment to consign to books/comics/whatever.  Does he take the lightsaber?  Does he not?  Does he break out the Joker laugh on seeing it?  We have to know!

 

And yeah, Old Luke just looks fucking awesome.  Here's to Hamill hopefully getting Ford-in-TFA levels of screentime.

post #364 of 12243
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Yeah, that's the thing.  Luke and Rey's first interaction with each other (beyond what we already saw at the end of TFA) seems far too huge a moment to consign to books/comics/whatever.  Does he take the lightsaber?  Does he not?  Does he break out the Joker laugh on seeing it?  We have to know!

 

And yeah, Old Luke just looks fucking awesome.  Here's to Hamill hopefully getting Ford-in-TFA levels of screentime.

Also, him learning (though he'd probably already have "felt" it) about Han's fate should be another huge moment.  How does he feel about it?  Perhaps partially responsible because of his failure with Ben?  And what of seeing Chewie and R2 again?  These are moments I want to see, not read about in tie-in literature.

 

It's been 30+ years since we had any quality time with Luke Skywalker; there's no way he won't be a gigantic piece of the puzzle in VIII.

post #365 of 12243

Newly announced cast member Kelly Marie Tran:

 

 

 


Edited by Barry Woodward - 2/15/16 at 1:42pm
post #366 of 12243

Interesting to note: Peter Mayhew isn't in the listed cast on the main SW site.  Hamill, Fisher, and Daniels are the only OT cast members mentioned.  Given Mayhew's issues with walking (they had a double do all the action stuff Chewie had in TFA), I wonder if they're going to have Chewie leave Luke and Rey and go back to Kashyyyk or something.

post #367 of 12243
Or you know, just get the guy who doubled for him last time to take over full time?
post #368 of 12243
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post

I'm still quite cynical about how much VII drew on the original trilogy (they could have hewn close to ANH's vibe and storytelling goals without having a desert planet, secret data in a droid, and a planet-destroying superweapon) but it really did do a good job establishing the characters and setting the table for what's to come.

Hopefully in two years we don't have Rian Johnson saying 'I hear you about the similarities between this and ESB, and let me tell you, they are totally deliberate' after Ep VIII starts off with a snow battle, Rey rushing off to save Finn and Poe against Luke's urgings, Poe getting trapped somehow as a cliffhanger, and Rey being seriously injured. 

I doubt Rian fails us like that, mostly because TFA isn't an attempt to re-do ANH, it's an attempt to re-do the entire OT. The confrontation between father and son on a walkway over an abyss is pure ESB, as is the overall angsty vibe and cliffhanger ending. And the Death Star attack in which the good guys fly inside the structure and Han Solo leads a ground mission to take down the shields is lifted right from Jedi.

In ye olde times Kasdan wanted Han to die as closure of his OT arc but Lucas put the kibosh on that and instead had Han's selfish-to-selfless arc resolve with his leadership of the ground mission and his decision to sacrifice his own feelings so that Leia and Luke could be together. So Kasdan and JJ decided to re-do that arc, came up with some DESPERATELY contrived way to completely and utterly BETRAY the story of the OT in order to send Han backwards to where he was when we met him in ANH, then attempted to replay Han's OT arc in a single film.

Fortunately for us Rian Johnson is more like Lucas than Abrams, in that he has an actual imagination and is more interested in telling new stories than trying to ape his idols.

SNARK ATTACK!
post #369 of 12243

VII was the perfect way to bring in the old audience along with the new. Rian Johnson probably would have been too "out there" had he done the first of the new trilogy. Now that we're acquainted with this universe again, Johnson is the perfect one to follow it up and shake things up. But I think JJ "aping" the original trilogy was completely intentional as a starting off point and the right way to start in that regard.

post #370 of 12243
I sure hope it was intentional. If movies are being written by accident these days the doomsayers are more right than I feared
post #371 of 12243

In less than a week, we get news that Dern is in Twin Peaks and this. Nice.

 

post #372 of 12243

Feel the Dern!

post #373 of 12243

It's almost like every casting director from the 90's realized their mistake, jumped forward in time, and decided to give Dern her due.

post #374 of 12243

Pablo Hidalgo confirmed that the shots in the video they released earlier this week are not unused TFA takes, they're from Episode VIII:

 

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/02/lucasfilms-pablo-hidalgo-clarifies.html

post #375 of 12243
Hamill says Luke could be gay. Open to interpretation. I bet Disney's happy about this.
post #376 of 12243
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Hamill says Luke could be gay. Open to interpretation. I bet Disney's happy about this.
I usually don't have an opinion on this one way or another but it'd be interesting to me if they went that route in this case..
post #377 of 12243
Do it, just to piss off the crowd that bitches about political correctness.
post #378 of 12243
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Do it, just to piss off the crowd that bitches about political correctness.


And all those fans who have elaborate theories about how Rey is Luke's daughter.  Though, of course, their not being related would just give those other fans who insist Rey is going to end up redeeming and getting together with Kylo more ammo.

 

Anyone else following the set construction out in Dubrovnik?  Looks really cool, especially the way they're lighting it.  They'll be filming there starting this week, so that'll be interesting to hear about and/or frantically avoid spoilers from said shoot.  Johnson definitely seems to have less of a "BUT MY PRECIOUS MYSTERY BOX!" attitude than JJ, so maybe he'll post a BTS photo or two.

post #379 of 12243
I just think it'd convey a nice, important message, is all.

...and it's a venue with a massive amount of exposure with which to do it..
post #380 of 12243
I just want them to make a good Star Wars movie. I could give two fucks if they are trying to push some social message. Just be Star Wars. That's all I care about.

I do like the fact that everyone is so wrapped up in the Episode 8 news right now that everyone has forgotten about the spin-off coming out soon. I hope they just drop the first trailer with I notice.
post #381 of 12243
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I just want them to make a good Star Wars movie. I could give two fucks if they are trying to push some social message. Just be Star Wars. That's all I care about.

I do like the fact that everyone is so wrapped up in the Episode 8 news right now that everyone has forgotten about the spin-off coming out soon. I hope they just drop the first trailer with I notice.


Supposedly promotion for Rogue One starts in April once TFA is out on DVD.  First trailer's probably going to be in front of Civil War, though I suppose it could be in front of Jungle Book on April 15.

post #382 of 12243
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Supposedly promotion for Rogue One starts in April once TFA is out on DVD.  First trailer's probably going to be in front of Civil War, though I suppose it could be in front of Jungle Book on April 15.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!
post #383 of 12243
They're making another Star Wars movie?
post #384 of 12243

Wait, when did Episode 7 come out?

post #385 of 12243
There was an Episode 7?!
post #386 of 12243
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

I just want them to make a good Star Wars movie. I could give two fucks if they are trying to push some social message. Just be Star Wars. That's all I care about.

I do like the fact that everyone is so wrapped up in the Episode 8 news right now that everyone has forgotten about the spin-off coming out soon. I hope they just drop the first trailer with I notice.
Oh of course. I didn't even think of it in the context of pushing some kind of agenda....just as a choice. They don't have to make the whole movie about that aspect. I loved THE FORCE AWAKENS (but I'm the easiest of marks for this stuff too) so I've got nothing but goodwill towards the movies right now and hope that EPISODE 8 does a lot of cool, new and unexpected things. And Rian Johnson at the helm gives me good feelings..
post #387 of 12243

I've always assumed Luke is gay, or asexual.

 

Marrying Mara Jade in the expanded universe never felt right, mostly because in the dozens of novels they appear in together no writer could ever muster up any chemistry between them or anything they have in common.

 

But trust me when I say 65-year-old Hamill is not going to have a boyfriend in Episode VIII. This'll just be something that gets mentioned on the press circuit. 

post #388 of 12243

I always had a sneaky suspicion that something was going on between Luke and Chewie. 

post #389 of 12243

He is a bit of a bear.

post #390 of 12243
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Marrying Mara Jade in the expanded universe never felt right, mostly because in the dozens of novels they appear in together no writer could ever muster up any chemistry between them or anything they have in common.

 

This. Personally, i never cared about the EU. So glad its gone.

 

Still i recommend the Star Wars: Legacy comics.

post #391 of 12243

Aren't all Jedi asexual? I always assumed they suppress their emotions thus zero romantic/sexual relationships with others. Anakin being the one who kinda fucked that all up. 

post #392 of 12243
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I've always assumed Luke is gay, or asexual.

Marrying Mara Jade in the expanded universe never felt right, mostly because in the dozens of novels they appear in together no writer could ever muster up any chemistry between them or anything they have in common.

But trust me when I say 65-year-old Hamill is not going to have a boyfriend in Episode VIII. This'll just be something that gets mentioned on the press circuit. 

If you said "Except for the Zahn novels where she was introduced" I'd agree with you. Their march in the forest was better meet-cute stuff than any Star Wars romance to date. Honestly there's no other character that I can imagine getting introduced that would work BETTER for Luke, so it's either her/a new character like her but with a different name just because/or nobody and make Luke a sexless monk.

I dug the idea of her wanting to kill him for most of her life, and the question of "when you've spent your life obsessing about someone and then you're cured of your obsession, what's left behind?" It was also the only halfway clever way out of the clone silliness, but that's neither here nor there.

Basically, if they're going to introduce a romantic partner for Luke and she's going to be an active new character (who's alive), then sure invent something new if they think they can improve on Mara's backstory. But if they're going to intro a dead wife, I don't see a compelling reason to make it someone other than Mara, other than to say "See? We're doing something new!" Even though it would have zero impact on the story.

Frankly when Rogue One was announced I assumed they would be introducing Mara so that they'd have a shadowy villain they could use besides Darth Vader, but if they can't tel the story of how she became one of the good guys (and without de-aging Hamill that's off the table) then it's not really value added except in fan service.

If they're going to pull anyone from the Zahn trilogy, I'd rather they go full Thrawn.
post #393 of 12243
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Aren't all Jedi asexual? I always assumed they suppress their emotions thus zero romantic/sexual relationships with others. Anakin being the one who kinda fucked that all up. 
There is no chance that Ewan's Obi Wan was asexual. That player laid more pipe than the motherfucking Death Star contractors. Why do you think Anakin resented him?

Because Kenobi had that GAME.

Tattooine probably doubled in population when he "hermitted" himself there.
post #394 of 12243

He's totally Camie's father.  #Obscure deleted scene reference with bonus Rey parentage theory number five thousand.

post #395 of 12243

Luke cared too much to be asexual. 

post #396 of 12243
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Aren't all Jedi asexual? I always assumed they suppress their emotions thus zero romantic/sexual relationships with others. Anakin being the one who kinda fucked that all up. 

Lucas actually clarified that the Jedi can have sex, the thing that's forbidden is attachment. Basically, there can be a James Bond Jedi. I can totally picture Obi-Wan doing that, as indicated in AOTC.

"Go and find her."
"Where are you going, Master?"
"For a drink."
post #397 of 12243
There's no way Luke was gay. According to Biggs, Luke was the best bush pilot in the outer rim.

Always the quiet ones.
post #398 of 12243

The reason everyone's described Johnson's script as being "unique" among SW films is because when Rey gets to the island she learns that Luke's been living in a polyamorous threesome with Del Toro and Dern.

post #399 of 12243
Wouldn't you?
post #400 of 12243
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The reason everyone's described Johnson's script as being "unique" among SW films is because when Rey gets to the island she learns that Luke's been living in a polyamorous threesome with Del Toro and Dern.


I'm sure the three of them had a nnnnnnnice honeymoon.

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