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post #51 of 12218
I've not seen Safety Not Guaranteed, only JW, and the latter was dogshit, but I've never been too wrapped up in long-running filmic sagas or trilogies - certainly not Star Wars. I like the new characters and Johnson is an exciting filmmaker, but if Trevorrow shits the bed, I can't see myself getting upset over it.
post #52 of 12218
I'm only concerned because a seriously weak third installment could retroactively weaken whatever Johnson sets up here.
post #53 of 12218
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I've not seen Safety Not Guaranteed, 

 

It's the worst kind of phony quirky indie crap, though it has its moments thanks to Aubrey Plaza (it helps that I've had a crush on her for years.)

post #54 of 12218

eugh safety not guaranteed...

post #55 of 12218
FROM THE DIRECTOR OF SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED...

Sequels to all your favorite mega-franchises.
post #56 of 12218

I think as long as there's a strong producer, Treverrow will do fine.  

 

The only thing I ask for in Episode VIII is a training montage like in Rocky IV where Luke is all about nature and shit and Kylo's training is high tech and has Force Steroids.

post #57 of 12218

Trevorrow should do what JJ did and let Kasdan write it with him.

post #58 of 12218

Bothan spies have reported that Rian Johnson narrowed down his search for a new lead in EPISODE VIII to Gina Rodriguez, Tatiana Maslany and Gugu Mbatha-Raw. Others say there was more than one role up for grabs and that perhaps they've all been cast. Thoughts?

 

http://cdn.chud.com/3/31/31f51502_gina-rodriguez-tatiana-maslany-gugu-mbatha-raw-star-wars.jpeg 


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/4/16 at 10:56pm
post #59 of 12218
Thread Starter 
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. . .  Tatiana Maslany, Gugu Mbatha-Raw and Gina Rodriguez for a lead role in EPISODE VIII . . . Thoughts?

 

http://cdn.chud.com/3/31/31f51502_gina-rodriguez-tatiana-maslany-gugu-mbatha-raw-star-wars.jpeg

 

2, 1, 3.

post #60 of 12218

Could they be Knights of Ren?

post #61 of 12218
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Trevorrow should do what JJ did and let Kasdan write it with him.

Ehhhh....

post #62 of 12218

First scene between Luke and Rey.

 

post #63 of 12218

We need a scene of Rey piggybacking Luke through those islands.  

 

"This is how I was trained!  Now don't drop me!"

 

Also, mo Poe.  I've got a Vitamin Poe deficiency.

post #64 of 12218
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First scene between Luke and Rey.

 

Not this one?

 

Admittedly it might get a little weird if certain rumors are true...

post #65 of 12218

You mean Rey being the reincarnated Anakin Skywalker?

post #66 of 12218

 

if we don't get something approaching this 0/10.  

post #67 of 12218
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I like not knowing where this is all going.

Ditto. Deleted all of my SW bookmarks and Twitter feeds etc. This is the only board I now follow so will be going into this one almost blind.

My only hope is Johnsson uses a better colour palette and makes better, more interesting use of lighting - I understand JJ had to mimic the feel of the original but his lighting felt a bit too flat for a modern movie. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. I'd like Johnsson to be a bit more creative.
post #68 of 12218
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
 

I think as long as there's a strong producer, Treverrow will do fine.  

 

The only thing I ask for in Episode VIII is a training montage like in Rocky IV where Luke is all about nature and shit and Kylo's training is high tech and has Force Steroids.

 

I think Trevorrow has potential in terms of timing and "indie" sensibility with characters, which you saw with the side characters in Jurassic World but unfortunately not with any of the main characters, who were horribly handled. My main problem with him is that thus far (which, granted, is pretty much two movies) I have seen basically no directorial vision from him. I don't need him to be some auteur stylist but I would just like to see more of the director's creative process in the visual language of the film. aesthetically, Jurassic World felt like it was directed by a team of storyboard artists, which really bugs me and it's a problem I have with some of the Marvel movies and lot of current big-budget Hollywood flicks these days. but I think some producers sort of like that aspect, it gives more of a control aspect for them to the film, and maybe that's why Trevorrow's landing these high-profile gigs now that I would think would go to someone with more style or at least more experience in this realm.

 

whatever, I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt and also maybe Rian can set him up so well, Colin won't be able to help but deliver a good capper. I really have a lot of faith in what Johnson is going to do with the middle chapter. I think it will be a tighter, more original film than TFA with some cool, new-ish concepts and some real visual panache that goes beyond design and FX and gets down to the film grammar. and JJ didn't shy away from the dark aspects of the story he was telling but if Rian's previous work is any indication, we're gonna be straight up rolling in the darkness.

 

I love the films he referenced as inspiration, too. I hope that's legit.

post #69 of 12218
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Ditto. Deleted all of my SW bookmarks and Twitter feeds etc. This is the only board I now follow so will be going into this one almost blind.

My only hope is Johnsson uses a better colour palette and makes better, more interesting use of lighting - I understand JJ had to mimic the feel of the original but his lighting felt a bit too flat for a modern movie. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. I'd like Johnsson to be a bit more creative.

 

I can't really stand the way people make modern movies, so I was okay with him aping the Star Wars look. It keeps the whole Saga from straining too far from turning into something else entirely. 

 

Weren't we all talking about the cinematography being the best in this one? Now it's flat? 


Edited by Carnotaur3 - 1/5/16 at 9:54am
post #70 of 12218
I mean it was fine. It felt a lot like empire and jedi which is good when the point is hitting people in their Star Wars happy bone. But sexy, Terrance mallick David Fincher zack Synder cinematography has never been what star wars is about.
post #71 of 12218

The cinematography was pretty good, especially early on and pretty much whenever Kylo was on the screen (and I do appreciate that it struck a middle ground between modern cinematography and the OT so as not to have the nondescript style of so many current blockbusters). Not especially creative in terms of composition or lighting (and what flair [but mercifully lacking flare, knamean] was there in terms of camera push and what not was heavily borrowed from Spielberg's style, as is JJ's wont), sometimes a bit too stage-y and here and there too bright (not enough play with depth and shadow in the brighter scenes), and the on-location cinematography was pretty meh outside of Tattooine Two and maybe Kylo's forest chase of Rey. but, I mean, you can tell JJ and Mindel were trying to knock the visuals out of the park as best they could. I expect Rian to push the cinematographic aspect farther and better and I'm so glad he brought DP Steve Yedlin with him because they do great work together.

 

Freeman, I am trying to ignore you grouping Snyder cinematography with Malick. Malick's films are exceptionally beautiful...like, in the best-ever competition along with Tarkovsky and Fellini and stuff shot by Storaro. to me, Snyder's films are the epitome of overdone, undersaturated (though sometimes it's just a bad color palette) ugliness. he's a stylist but--like, say, Michael Bay--a horrible one. to my tastes, anyways.

post #72 of 12218
Shall I flog myself then? 100 lashes in thy cinematography name?
post #73 of 12218

I was about to say the lack of color totally kills Snyder's cinematography.

post #74 of 12218
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Shall I flog myself then? 100 lashes in thy cinematography name?


Sure. That'll do.

post #75 of 12218
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The cinematography was pretty good, especially early on and pretty much whenever Kylo was on the screen (and I do appreciate that it struck a middle ground between modern cinematography and the OT so as not to have the nondescript style of so many current blockbusters). Not especially creative in terms of composition or lighting (and what flair [but mercifully lacking flare, knamean] was there in terms of camera push and what not was heavily borrowed from Spielberg's style, as is JJ's wont), sometimes a bit too stage-y and here and there too bright (not enough play with depth and shadow in the brighter scenes), and the on-location cinematography was pretty meh outside of Tattooine Two and maybe Kylo's forest chase of Rey. but, I mean, you can tell JJ and Mindel were trying to knock the visuals out of the park as best they could. I expect Rian to push the cinematographic aspect farther and better and I'm so glad he brought DP Steve Yedlin with him because they do great work together.

This.
post #76 of 12218
I care more about the visual design of the film. I want Johnson to go wild, particularly since Abrams played things way too safe in that regard.
post #77 of 12218

I agree that TFA was visually great in terms of technical execution (and props to Abrams for this as I really love the way the movie looks), but rather unimagitive as far as art design goes. This is even more apparent when one takes a look through all the "what could have been" concept art found in "The Art of the Force Awakens", which you can see for yourself here.

It's especially sad since a lot of the evocative, space-opera'ish vistas and settings presented in those paintings, wouldn't really require any serious worldbuilding in the script or anything like that. Abrams could have just thrown the characters into them without any detriment to the story. Instead he decided to cram in Tattoine, Hoth and Endor into his movie. I hope Johnson will be a bit more imaginative in this department.

post #78 of 12218
I feel it's important we discuss the nature and extent of the cybernetics Finn is going to have in Episode 8. Kid had his damn spine sliced in half so we're going to need more than a bacta tank on this one. I don't know if y'all heard but Star Wars is poetry and in his current state Finn is easily the best candidate to rhyme with 'more machine than man'.

Let's nut this out and I'll compile the suggestions for my next email to Rian.
post #79 of 12218
Cyborg dick. That's the first thing you improve once you commit to machine parts.
post #80 of 12218

Finn is becoming Darth Vader because Vader was black. Don't even get me started!

 


Edited by Carnotaur3 - 1/6/16 at 1:10pm
post #81 of 12218

Bel Powley (THE DIARY OF A TEENAGE GIRL) is up for a role in Rian Johnson's weird little indie film.

 

https://youtu.be/vJAr51Ri7rw?t=13m20s


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/8/16 at 9:28pm
post #82 of 12218

Looks like the shoot has been delayed a month due to a rewrite of the script that shrinks the role of the new characters ("new" as in those not in TFA).  It seems Finn/Rey/Poe are more popular than they anticipated, so they're working to keep the story focused on them.  I can see Johnson having written his drafts before TFA was released, and probably didn't realize how wildly popular they'd be.  I'm all for it, especially because I'm not a fan of overstuffing movies with too many characters.  The Star Wars films have always worked by focusing on a small number of people.

post #83 of 12218
They're choking Johnson's vision for short term corporate infatuations!!!!
post #84 of 12218
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Looks like the shoot has been delayed a month due to a rewrite of the script that shrinks the role of the new characters ("new" as in those not in TFA).  It seems Finn/Rey/Poe are more popular than they anticipated, so they're working to keep the story focused on them.  I can see Johnson having written his drafts before TFA was released, and probably didn't realize how wildly popular they'd be.  I'm all for it, especially because I'm not a fan of overstuffing movies with too many characters.  The Star Wars films have always worked by focusing on a small number of people.


Why would you shift the focus to new characters anyway?

post #85 of 12218

It was something I was actually worried about.  ESB only had Lando as a new character, and he didn't come in until the third act.  That film benefited from keeping the focus on the trio.  You only have two hours.  I'd rather Rey/Finn/Poe get fleshed out than fight for screen time.  

 

I have a hunch what they were interested in was having new characters for more spinoff movies more than anything.  We already know the spinoffs are going to be coming like crazy, and outside the prequels and OT, there's nothing to spinoff yet, since Rey/Finn/Poe are part of the Skywalker numbered film saga.  I imagine they'll introduce new characters in 8, but keep them sidelined and then have spinoff movies they can use them in.

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

post #86 of 12218

I'd love for Boyega to have his own series of spinoffs, if he survives the trilogy.  And Poe.

post #87 of 12218
Poe already feels like a spinoff character in the current movie as is.

It's only Isaacs that makes him feel a lot more important.

Also, only Lando was new? What about Yoda, Ambler??? And the Emperor and Boba Fett to a much lesser extent...
post #88 of 12218
I was going to say the same thing about Poe already feeling perfectly primed to be a spinoff character but I won't now because Nooj already did.
post #89 of 12218

Poe was supposed to die in the 1st act anyway before Isaac convinced them to keep him around, so he was never that important.

post #90 of 12218

I think that's one area they should explore, makes the trio feel like a trio or at least develop Finn and Poe's deep friendship. As is, Poe had not a hell of a lot to do.

post #91 of 12218
Right. So him being kept around without too much change in the story ends up making him feel like a character ready-made for a spinoff.

That said, I do hope they give Isaac actual material this time around.
post #92 of 12218
Exactamundo. Poe already feels tacked on whereas Rey and Finn feel like core saga characters with intertwined destinies. In the same way a Han or Luke spinoff would have felt off but a Lando one would have felt natural, Poe is ready-made to spin all the way off.
post #93 of 12218
Strange that the next movie was possibly intending to take some focus off of them...

And this is the version of the script that Abrams wished he was directing?
post #94 of 12218

He was definitely more of a device for Finn to realize his potential, not that there was anything wrong with that. But you have Isaacs for as long as you need him, best to write the part he deserves. It's a good introduction to his character, now flesh him out!

 

Also, Bucho mentions Lando, and I really really wanna see him again now.

post #95 of 12218
Poe and his trusty wingmen Snap Wexley and Nien Numb and their squadron of pals tearing up the skies/outer spaces in their X-Wings is a solid gold guaranteed spinoff success story.

Plus with Poe you get new droid megastar BB-8 as part of the package.
post #96 of 12218
Why do I get a feeling that Johnson was putting the proper amount of Rey/Finn into the movie balanced with new characters meant to develop the story... and what Lucasfilm/Disney wants is to just give people what they seem to want at the moment?

This is just gonna be another hodge-podge like Forwakens, isn't it???
post #97 of 12218

Could Johnson's rewrite delay also be related to his recent tweet?

 

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/687503266121297924

post #98 of 12218

Can someone link me to the news?

post #99 of 12218
It's so weird that we've been sold a new trio like the OT, only to realize it's only really two.
post #100 of 12218

I'd be okay with that if Poe had died, but he showed back up and now I want my trio :)

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