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Are you guys gonna be friends anymore after this is all over? 

Why are you doing this to her?!?!

Just wanted to see what the hype over Star Wars was all about after all these years. Like any sensible person, she's learning it's all because of the first two and only the first two.

Also she bought the Special Edition DVD set off me when I was selling a box of used movies to friends. With ROGUE ONE coming out, seemed the right time to knock those out of the way (though I brought over the unaltered DVDs for this run).
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Any buzz on this yet? Any reviews popping up?
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You're talking about ROGUE ONE, right?

Not just yet.  The embargo ends on Tuesday, but someone said there may be some reactions trickling in after it screens tonight?  I think?

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Oops, yeah...wrong thread. Meant Rogue One.
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Revisited SITH with my friend watching these first time... and I enjoyed it? I still have problems with it, and maybe seeing this after CLONES felt like an upgrade, but I enjoyed it as nice piece of space opera. Hayden is considerably better than last time, but still has trouble working with horribly clunky dialogue. Thank goodness the love dialogue is relegated to mostly that awful scene with Padme brushing her hair.

But man, if I had to change only ONE thing it would be just to cut out the line about Padme having lost the will to live. No! There's a pretty good concept here that Lucas didn't seem to catch (yeah yeah I know). Anakin has visions of Padme dying, just like he did with his mother in last movie. He's already on the path to the dark side since killing those Tuskin Raiders, as we see him continue to have that mean streak by executing Dooku. Palpy sees his chance and manipulates him, Anakin ultimately succumbs to fear and is full evil mode. On the side, he was getting increasingly paranoid over learning that so Obi-Wan kept visiting Padme and suspects that they're having an affair. Cut to the volcanic planet with him being enraged seeing Obi-Wan pop up, accusing his wife of bringing him to kill him. FORCE CHOKES her to unconsciousness. She dies from that and complications of birth, and that's what basically turns Vader completely. He has nothing to live for and serves as a pathetic puppet for the rest of his life. Sad irony is that he ultimately made his fears come true without realizing it.

But no, that ooba robot had to say she simply lost the will to live. Ugh.

Oh and my friend thought it was okay. Better than the last one. Beyond enjoying the original and EMPIRE, she's not really becoming a fan of these. I'll be curious of how VII holds up for me and how much she enjoys that.

I can't get past the fact that, in a trilogy that's meant to humanize Anakin, he never voices any resentment toward Qui-Gonn, Obi-Wan, and Padme for leaving his mother in slavery. Not even after he finds her raped half to death by sand people.
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I can't get past the fact that, in a trilogy that's meant to humanize Anakin, he never voices any resentment toward Qui-Gonn, Obi-Wan, and Padme for leaving his mother in slavery. Not even after he finds her raped half to death by sand people.
Yeah, I think that's an abandoned plot thread. There are indications that Lucas was originally going to take things in that direction.
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Except she was freed of slavery by someone else. What was odd was that nobody bothered to check up on her on the ten years. Weirdest was when Obi-Wan tracks Anakin in Tatooine he actually asks "what in the blazes is he doing there?" like he's so oblivious.
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Early drafts of ROTS had Palpatine revealing that Dooku had hired the sandpeople to kidnap Anakin's mom. That would seem to wash any blame from the Jedi, since her life was pretty good before that (freed, married). But why Dooku would do that was left a little vague since they weren't at war yet...
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

You're talking about ROGUE ONE, right?

Not just yet.  The embargo ends on Tuesday, but someone said there may be some reactions trickling in after it screens tonight?  I think?


Yeah, that's correct.

 

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Early drafts of ROTS had Palpatine revealing that Dooku had hired the sandpeople to kidnap Anakin's mom. That would seem to wash any blame from the Jedi, since her life was pretty good before that (freed, married). But why Dooku would do that was left a little vague since they weren't at war yet...

 

It's just nonsensical on a number of levels. Definitely better left on the cutting room floor.

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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Early drafts of ROTS had Palpatine revealing that Dooku had hired the sandpeople to kidnap Anakin's mom. That would seem to wash any blame from the Jedi, since her life was pretty good before that (freed, married). But why Dooku would do that was left a little vague since they weren't at war yet...
That sounds so dumb.
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I think that was just when Palpatine was goading Anakin into killing Dooku, he would just babble about that to motivate him, but that's problematic.
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Yeah it was during that scene.
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losing the will to live... dying of a broken heart... IS TRUE.  ALL OF IT.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_heart

 

LUCAS YOU GENIUS

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I don't get this bit. Vader wants revenge for Death Star 1, plus he wants to stop Luke from getting anywhere near the Emperor because Luke can destroy the Emperor ... so if Vader's twin motivations regarding Luke are to waste him, why does he want to tease him off the gantry?
 
 
Here's my interpretation of Vader's motivation (which I thought was everyone's until reading this thread!): 
 
Post Star Wars
 
Prior to knowing about Luke, Vader dedicated himself totally to the idea of the Empire and power for its own sake. 
 
Once Vader finds out that it was his son who destroyed the Death Star, he stops giving the merest flip about getting revenge from the Death Star. He wants Luke for emotional reasons (the son he thought he'd accidentally killed, Padme's child, survived) and strategic reasons (allied with his son, he can take down the Emperor and become the master, something he can't do given his injuries). 
 
The Empire Strikes Back
 
He tries to find Luke for himself, using 'revenge for the Death Star' as his offical, Imperial reason. So at the start of ESB,  he's 'obsessed', scouring the galaxy for Skywalker. The Empire wants him because he's a terrorist; Vader, privately, wants him because he would be an asset. 
 
Once Palpatine makes clear that he knows Luke is Vader's son, Vader changes tack - he pretends this is news to him too, and so now officially wants Luke so that he can join Vader and the Emperor. Both want Luke for themselves, both want the other to think that they want Luke to be the new part of a triumvirate.
 
Vader makes a show of wanting Luke for the Emperor - publicly referring to Luke as 'the Emperor's prize'. However, had Vader successfully frozen Luke, he would have had no intention of taking Luke to the Emperor.
 
During the duel, Vader never wants to kill Luke - he wants to knock him in the freezing pit, for unfreezing under controlled circumstances. He's happy when Luke proves to be talented, but when Luke proves more talented than he expected, injuring him, Vader gets pissed off, stops playing about, and quickly chops off Luke's hand. 
 
Vader comes clean, and makes his - totally heartfelt - pitch to Luke. He is furious when Luke elects to kill himself. When Luke survives, but escapes, Vader is so upset that he can't even bring himself to kill Piett. This is probably the point where he starts to turn back to the light side: his son is alive, his son is talented, he mutilated him in service of a plan which didn't work, his son elected to kill himself rather than join him, his son escaped from as tight as trap as the Empire would ever likely be able to set. He knows he's missed his chance to get Luke on side. So, naturally, his commitment to that side starts to waver.
 
Return of the Jedi
 
By the time of RotJ, Vader doesn't know what he wants - he's depressed and given up, which is why he no longer bothers to pursue his own agenda of catching Luke for himself, instead just functioning as the Emperor's puppet. After the conversation he has with Luke - when he tells him 'It is too late for me, son' - the fight goes completely out of him, and he pretty much stops thinking for himself until Palpatine starts electrocuting Luke. 
 
 
 
 
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Not one note enough. Try again.

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Not one note enough. Try again.

hayden

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In other important news, John Williams began recording the Episode VIII score today in Los Angeles.  The recording sessions will continue into spring.

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Really can't wait to hear new themes in this one!

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Really can't wait to hear new themes in this one!

I'm actually more excited to hear how he continues to develop Rey's theme, Kylo Ren's motifs, and the "Jedi Steps" material from the end of TFA.  I'm betting we get at least one big new theme, probably for Benicio del Toro's character.

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Jedi Steps is epic enough. To see it followed through would be a real treat. 

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Given that we know VIII is starting immediately at the ending scene of TFA, I think we're basically guaranteed to hear it again there for sure, at the very least.

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But will it only surround Rey and Luke?  Will it be more broad? 
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More importantly, will it be one-note?
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TMZ is reporting that Carrie Fisher suffered a heart attack on a plane:

 

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/23/carrie-fisher-heart-attack-plane/

 

Thankfully, the plan was about to land, and an EMT was on board to help.

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Doesn't sound good, though - she's reportedly in critical condition.  Fingers crossed she's able to recover. C'mon, Fisher, you can beat 2016.

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Jesus Christ..
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Fucking hell, 2016.
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Ah shit. I hope she recovers.

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Damn, Carrie. Fight thru that shit!
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Fuck this
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I went to tmz desperate for an update and the first comment is "isn't she a liberal? Don't care."
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Every major online news source says she in the hospital in critical condition. Standard, I think, for any heart problems. 

 

May the force of medical experts be with her.

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Well this has killed my drunken Friday night.

Don't want to lose my princess.
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Shitty news. Really hope she pulls through.

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Yeah, this has bummed me out really badly. But I feel like a selfish ass saying that. Who cares if I'm bummed?? That don't matter...her making it through this is what matters..
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No shame in expressing dismay over someone you don't want to lose, no matter how distant they are.
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fuck

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She's currently in stable condition at UCLA Medical Center, per TMZ.

God damn this year.
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FUCK YES.  

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I am one with the force, the force is with me.

 

Stabilized and alive doesn't mean responsive, and I read she was out for over fifteen minutes, so, gonna hope for the best, but FUCK YOU 2016!

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I hope she pulls through and is able to have a decent quality of life going forward.

 

Concerns about the movies pale in comparison to concerns about her health, but I do wonder what this means for VIII and IX.  If plot developments for IX hinge on Leia's participation (likely as a component of Kylo Ren's arc), they'll have to radically rethink the storyline.

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I hope she pulls through and is able to have a decent quality of life going forward.

Concerns about the movies pale in comparison to concerns about her health, but I do wonder what this means for VIII and IX.  If plot developments for IX hinge on Leia's participation (likely as a component of Kylo Ren's arc), they'll have to radically rethink the storyline.

Movie storyline be fucked. Girl needs to get her head down and get better full stop.
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According to Todd Fisher, Carrie's brother, the previous report of her being in stable condition isn't accurate.

 

"I don't know where they got that word from. That is absolutely not even close to the truth. We don't know. We hope for the best. We certainly do not know her condition, that's why she is in ICU. I’m sure everyone wants to speculate but now is not the time for that."

 

http://etcanada.com/news/190820/carrie-fisher-suffers-massive-heart-attack-on-plane/


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/23/16 at 11:03pm
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Thanks Barry.
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Can a fake news site just say she's 100% okay, so I can fake feel better?
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Debbie Reynolds just confirmed that Fisher is stable:

 

https://twitter.com/DebbieReynolds1/status/813112672002723841

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FUCK!

 

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/27/carrie-fisher-dead/

 

The Force is with her and she's one with the Force.

The Force is with her and she's one with the Force.

The Force is with her and she's one with the Force.

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I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing more CGI Leia in Episode VIII, especially for any reshoots and such.  The big question is, do they retool the storyline for Episode IX to account for Leia's absence, or do they go the CGI route?

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I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing more CGI Leia in Episode VIII, especially for any reshoots and such.  The big question is, do they retool the storyline for Episode IX to account for Leia's absence, or do they go the CGI route?
That we even have to ask the question is horrifying.

No CGI undead monstrosities, please
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I really don't want to say anything crass. rest in peace, Carrie.

 

I can't help but think about how that last shot in Rogue One is going to play now for the remainder of its theatrical run. I can't even start to parse that. I won't try.

 

This is a really sad capper to a pretty sad year.

 

Life is fragile. If nothing else I hope 2016 reminded us to cherish every moment we have left of life and to cherish our loved ones.

 

Carrie Fisher was certainly beloved, and she will be missed.

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