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I'd been planning on seeing "Rogue One" again this weekend. The final scene will definitely leave everyone unintentionally verklempt. I shall weep openly, begin the chorus of tears and sorrow.
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I kinda would not be surprised to see something added to the prints of ROGUE ONE about Carrie, especially since the film does end with her saying 'Hope'.

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I suspect the dedication will be saved for EP. VIII since that is her final film appearance.
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Can't wait to see the return of gaping-mouth dead-eyed CGI Carrie Fisher!

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Can't wait to see the return of gaping-mouth dead-eyed CGI Carrie Fisher!
If they do this, you will have my sword and together we shall burn Disney to the ground.
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Recasting is unthinkable and you can't kill Leia offscreen, especially if they were teeing her up for a big emotional showdown with her son in EPISODE IX. I'm not sure how they navigate this.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/27/16 at 12:00pm
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I have faith that the film makers of Ep8 will send off the character of Leia in a tasteful way. 

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Recasting is unthinkable and you can't have kill Leia offscreen, especially if they were teeing her up for a big emotional showdown with her son in EPISODE IX.
Well they sure as fuck can't zombify her, because we will end them.
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I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing more CGI Leia in Episode VIII, especially for any reshoots and such.  The big question is, do they retool the storyline for Episode IX to account for Leia's absence, or do they go the CGI route?

I would be genuinely surprised if they went there. Now that it's been a couple of weeks and more news outlets feel safe about not spoiling the movie, the propriety of these effects and the fact that they distract when they're on the screen have become an integral part of the buzz about the movie.
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I thought that Start Trek Beyond handled the passing of Nimoy in a nice manner.  Something similar for Fisher would be appropriate. 

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It would be nice but we don't know how integral Leia was/is to the storyline of Episode IX.
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Then they better rewrite IX then.

Don't sacrifice Fisher's dignity just to keep DisneyWars running smoothly.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Disney included a CG contingency clause in each actor's contract for just such an occurrence.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/27/16 at 2:53pm
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I would be genuinely surprised if they went there. Now that it's been a couple of weeks and more news outlets feel safe about not spoiling the movie, the propriety of these effects and the fact that they distract when they're on the screen have become an integral part of the buzz about the movie.


Heck, in the NY Times today John Knoll said they're not planning on doing it in future movies. Whether that stays the case, we'll see.

 

At the very least, though, VIII will certainly be dedicated to her memory.

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What would Carrie have wanted? She already signed off on CG Leia for ROGUE ONE. Would she have wanted her final performance to lead to a dead end in EPISODE IX? It wouldn't surprise me if Disney had a digital resurrection clause, in case of emergency, in each actor's contract.

 


God that's creepy. 

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That's our scary Barry.
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I suspect we'll get some Oliver Reed/Brandon Lee type CGI coverage for scenes that need to be reshot (if she's involved), either because they need a different take OR because they're re-writing the scene(s) to eventually set up her exit from the series.  Hopefully we won't get anything more than that.

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Barry is a robot..
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I wonder who the first celebrity avatar is Barry will purchase to fuck when it becomes a reality.

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Barry is a robot..
Or fabfunk...
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I thought that Start Trek Beyond handled the passing of Nimoy in a nice manner.  Something similar for Fisher would be appropriate. 

 

I'd really prefer they not even do that. I would struggle to articulate why, but leaning on the fourth wall to reference an actor's death (Nimoy in Star Trek, Paul Walker in Fast and the Furious) has always struck me as a bit mawkish and crass. I know it's meant well, but I think my distaste arises from the fact that it weds the real person's death to the fictional character's for emotional effect, and is a bit self-indulgent - there's an element of 'look at how respectful and grief-stricken I, a fan of the person who didn't know them, or barely knew them, am being'. 

 

The most tasteful and appropriate thing to do, would be to begin (immediately before 'A long time ago...') or end the film with 'Dedicated to Carrie Fisher'. If her character suddenly disappears from the action and an awkward line about Leia's fleet being delayed needs to be inserted, audiences should be mature enough to understand that an actor's death sometimes necessitates rewrites.

 

While I'm not opposed to Grand Moff Tarkin-style digital resurrections under specific circumstances (actor/estate approval; a character that actor played in life; limited use), I believe decades need to pass before such things can be used tastefully. However, assuming Leia is intended to survive the series, I think it would be appropriate for Lucasfilm to copy-and-paste footage of the character into Episode IX's closing celebration (the forest planet celebration after the Resistance blows up Starkiller II; Kylo Ren having thrown Snoke into its reactor core). 


Edited by RexBanner - 12/27/16 at 12:54pm
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Apparently her work on Episode VIII was finished.
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I'd been planning on seeing "Rogue One" again this weekend. The final scene will definitely leave everyone unintentionally verklempt. I shall weep openly, begin the chorus of tears and sorrow.

 

I actually find that CGI imposter even more appalling and inappropriate now that she's gone.  

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I actually find that CGI imposter even more appalling and inappropriate now that she's gone.  
Yes.
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According to LFL/Deadline, Fisher had "absolutely wrapped" on Episode VIII, and Deadline says she actually has a larger role in VIII than she did in TFA.

 

http://deadline.com/2016/12/carrie-fisher-death-star-wars-plans-episode-viii-1201876118/

 

Obviously, they don't address IX for a number of reasons.

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I don't think there's any danger of a digital Carrie Fisher appearing in Episode IX in any significant capacity.  We'll probably get a few shots here and there in VIII to account for any future reshoots changing stuff Fisher already shot, but I think that will be the extent of it.

 

It's going to be profoundly odd once we get to IX and Leia has disappeared from the story (assuming the character survives XIII), but that's probably the only tasteful way to handle this.

 

I also just wanted to say that this news totally sucks, to say the least.  Leia was every bit as much a childhood hero of mine as Luke and Han, and as I've grown older, Fisher's razor sharp writing has become a delight to discover.  Her presence will be greatly missed.

post #1628 of 6974
Somewhere in Hollywood, Trevorrow has cancelled his New Year plans and is mashing his forehead into his keyboard.
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"What if... Gary Fisher took over the role?"
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I was not unmoved by Gary's Twitter feed.
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I actually find that CGI imposter even more appalling and inappropriate now that she's gone.  

 

Mm. Maybe. But, unlike Cushing, she approved it.

 

Now a digital Leia, without her approval or even a performance to base off of for Episode IX, would be appalling and inappropriate. 

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At first I was fine with CGI Cushing because I thought that was going to be just a small cameo and the rest of the film would move on, then he kept appearing and it got weird... Can't do it with Carrie though, she just passed. If you need a small bit in VIII like Hoffman and Reed in their final films, okay, but that's it, but do not try going that route with IX. Let her be and write the character out.
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Mm. Maybe. But, unlike Cushing, she approved it.

 

Now a digital Leia, without her approval or even a performance to base off of for Episode IX, would be appalling and inappropriate. 

 

There was a discussion I wasn't part of that talked about even an actor giving their permission doesn't alter the larger implications of studios exploiting a "stuck in time" character's likeness.  It being crass and all.  Personally I found her inclusion at the end to be unnecessary, creepy and weird, and not at all having the effect they were going for.  Now that she's dead, it puts it an even creepier light for me.  To the point where I don't even want to watch Rogue One again.  Mostly because it sucks, but CGI meat puppets of iconic characters doesn't help.

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I wasn't at all creeped out by the ending with her.
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I wasn't at all creeped out by the ending with her.

 

That's cause you have no soul.

 

post #1636 of 6974
Y'all realize you're letting loose with what could be considered a pretty big spoiler for Rogue One in the Episode VIII thread? Maybe everyone already knows but that's kinda uncool.
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Kylo Ren kills Han Solo.
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Han Solo kills Greedo.

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Y'all realize you're letting loose with what could be considered a pretty big spoiler for Rogue One in the Episode VIII thread? Maybe everyone already knows but that's kinda uncool.
I won't keep silent about practicing necromancers taking over Hollywood, Michael. That's just what they want.
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Latino Review had a scoop back in March that might be relevant to how they resolve Leia's fate.

 

http://lrmonline.com/news/star-wars-laura-dern-and-leia-in-episode-viii

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Y'all realize you're letting loose with what could be considered a pretty big spoiler for Rogue One in the Episode VIII thread? Maybe everyone already knows but that's kinda uncool.

Anyone who cares enough about the movie to be upset by spoilers has had two weeks to see the thing. Fuck 'em.
post #1642 of 6974

"I interviewed - and later danced with - Carrie Fisher and it was the most illuminating conversation I ever had. And the most awkward slow dance I've ever been part of. I interviewed her for my movie, HECKLER (thanks to her assistant, whom Jamie Kennedy and I knew).

 

When I started the interview in her home, she looked bored out of her mind. I looked very carefully at her, and realized that she has lived a full, exciting, wild life, and if this was just another series of questions about Star Wars or her screenwriting, it would be over quickly. So I asked her questions I knew would rile her up. She was clearly a person who liked to be riled up. She didn't care for the status quo (most anyone who has enjoyed coke with any regularity is like that). The interview went great, and you can see a good amount of it in the doc.

 

A few days later, I went to see her one woman show, and she picked me out of the audience to dance with her. She said that all the men she was attracted to are gay and asked me if I was. The audience laughed. And I shook my head "no." But as I looked into her eyes, I could see that she was just doing crowd work.

 

She was the consummate performer, showbiz folk, born into a showbiz family. She got all the right genetics and used them expertly with a unique flare. And she got much of the success she deserved. She entranced millions, shed light on important mental health issues and was celebrated for her wit - which was as sharp and entertaining as her mother's.

 

I was happy that she seemed to be living a full, bright life, filled with moments of great intensity and blackouts, which all just added to her art. I'm glad I got fairly close to that light, but I'm not mourning her loss. Neither should you. It's sad, but would be sadder if she didn't enhance so many of us. Go out and celebrate that. I think she would want that." - Michael Addis

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http://cdn.chud.com/4/47/47ec8073_JJ-CF-Note.jpeg 

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Nice stationery.
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I wonder if he knows that you can write with something finer than a Sharpie.
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Y'all realize you're letting loose with what could be considered a pretty big spoiler for Rogue One in the Episode VIII thread? 

 

They'll get over it when they realize it's a terrible movie.

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http://cdn.chud.com/4/47/47ec8073_JJ-CF-Note.jpeg 

 

Is it wrong of me to point out that his "JJ" looks like something it shouldn't?

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I wasn't gonna go there, but...
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They'll get over it when they realize it's a terrible movie.

Terrible is a strong word.

Okay is more fitting. Or damning.
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