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I like Rogue One.
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Is it wrong of me to point out that his "JJ" looks like something it shouldn't?

 

JJ Abutt

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I like Rogue One.

It was pretty fine, right?
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I don't do a whole lot of speculation over where Star Wars films go. I try to just let the films play without me trying to anticipate it. However, one moment I always fantasized was that I thought XI should end with Leia killing Kylo. There's no redemption story for him, and I thought it would give Carrie a powerful moment where she plays a character that comes to the inetivable conclusion that she must kill her son, because it needed to be done to end the madness he brought forth to the galaxy. I was actually looking forward to seeing that.

Oh well.
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I heard a rumor that in Ep.8 Leia is

 

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attacked at the beginning and in a coma for most of the film.  If that's true, it's not going to play very well... the rumor on top of that is Lucasfilm didn't like her acting in 7, so decided to minimize her part.  
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I heard a rumor that in Ep.8 Leia is
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attacked at the beginning and in a coma for most of the film.  If that's true, it's not going to play very well... the rumor on top of that is Lucasfilm didn't like her acting in 7, so decided to minimize her part.  
I'd heard rumors in the opposite direction.

Either way, folks are panicking.
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I heard a rumor that in Ep.8 Leia is Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
attacked at the beginning and in a coma for most of the film.  If that's true, it's not going to play very well... the rumor on top of that is Lucasfilm didn't like her acting in 7, so decided to minimize her part.  
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Were they gonna have her in the next tube over from Finn?
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2016 has murdered Star Wars.
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I'd heard rumors in the opposite direction.

Either way, folks are panicking.

Yup. With Han gone, Luke and Leia's roles are supposed to be more prominent as part of the old guard.
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Time for Mon Mothma to step up.
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I'd heard rumors in the opposite direction.

 

Let's hope those turn out true.

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Time for Mon Mothma to step up.

 

As played by Helen Mirren.

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I wonder if he knows that you can write with something finer than a Sharpie.

JJ's good with Sharpies as they're broad enough to get his point across while being accessible. Anything with a smaller nib and he has to start thinking about the finer details, and he's just no good with those.
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It also takes him back to his college years doodling on people's faces.
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Can Stevie Nicks act?

 


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/27/16 at 7:37pm
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Leia being recast for 1 movie would be the most idiotic decision they could ever make (and won't make). 

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Thread Starter 
Too young. Didn't know her, but a sad day for my generation.

Although I am afraid of the answer, I am going to ask out how significantly this will affect episode IX story.
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Too young. Didn't know her, but a sad day for my generation.

Although I am afraid of the answer, I am going to ask out how significantly this will affect episode IX story.

I'm gonna wait to see her in VIII before wondering how her death will impact IX.
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Leia being recast for 1 movie would be the most idiotic decision they could ever make (and won't make). 


Yeah. Will the story be shifted in IX? Yes. Will it be shifted in VIII? Almost certainly. Will they recast? Fuck no.

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It's sad enough that this awesome woman has passed away. Now the rest of these films will have a cloud over them. At some point, we're going to have to see Luke left as the last of his friends, and that's going to bring these feelings back all over again.
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The trouble with shifting the story of EPISODE VIII at this point is it might necessitate losing and/or digitally manipulating significant portions of Fisher's final film performance. That too would be a doing a disservice to her memory.

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Yeah, apparently lots of people are suggesting this person Stevie Nicks. I don't think recasting would go down well.
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The situation is such that no action they take is likely to go down well.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/27/16 at 8:12pm
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George Lucas:

 

"Carrie and I have been friends most of our adult lives. She was extremely smart; a talented actress, writer and comedienne with a very colorful personality that everyone loved. In Star Wars she was our great and powerful princess — feisty, wise and full of hope in a role that was more difficult than most people might think. My heart and prayers are with Billie, Debbie and all Carrie's family, friends and fans. She will be missed by all."

 

Mark Hamill:

 

"It's never easy to lose such a vital, irreplaceable member of the family, but this is downright heartbreaking. Carrie was one-of-a-kind who belonged to us all- whether she liked it or not. She was OUR Princess, damn it, & the actress who played her blurred into one gorgeous, fiercely independent & ferociously funny, take-charge woman who took our collective breath away. Determined & tough, but with a vulnerability that made you root for her & want her to succeed & be happy. She played such a crucial role in my professional & personal life, & both would have been far emptier without her. I am grateful for the laughter, the wisdom, the kindness & even the bratty, self-indulgent crap my beloved space-twin gave me through the years. Thanks Carrie. I love you, mh"

 

Harrison Ford:

 

"Carrie was one-of-a-kind... brilliant, original. Funny and emotionally fearless. She lived her life, bravely... My thoughts are with her daughter Billie, her Mother Debbie, her brother Todd, and her many friends. We will all miss her."

 

Billy Dee Williams:

 

"I'm deeply saddened at the news of Carrie's passing. She was a dear friend, whom I greatly respected and admired. The force is dark today!"

 

Peter Mayhew:

 

"There are no words for this loss. Carrie was the brightest light in every room she entered. I will miss her dearly."

 

David Prowse:

 

"I am extremely sad to learn of Carrie's passing. She was wonderful to work with. Condolences to her friends, family & fans around the world."

 

Anthony Daniels:

 

"I thought I had got what I wanted under the tree. I didn't. In spite of so many thoughts and prayers from so many. I am very, very sad."

 

John Boyega:

 

"My heart is heavy but I'm grateful that I got to know her. I'll cherish the memories, conversations and her consistent support. Rest well <3"

 

Daisy Ridley:

 

"Devastated at this monumental loss. How lucky we all are to have known her, and how awful that we have to say goodbye."

 

Warwick Davis:

 

"Princess Leia, @CarrieFisher - now one with the Force. Your kindness & sharp wit will be missed. #RIP PS: Thanks for the milk & cookies."

 

Steven Spielberg:

 

"I have always stood in awe of Carrie. Her observations always made me laugh and gasp at the same time. She didn't need The Force. She was a force of nature, of loyalty and of friendship. I will miss her very much."

 

Rian Johnson:

 

"Carrie was an incredible person. I feel lucky I got to know her, and heartbroken."

 

Joe Dante:

 

"My heart goes out to the family and friends of Carrie Fisher, one of the brightest minds I ever knew, who has passed away at 60."

 

Kathleen Kennedy:

 

"Carrie holds such special place in the hearts of everyone at Lucasfilm it is difficult to think of a world without her. She was Princess Leia to the world but a very special friend to all of us. She had an indomitable spirit, incredible wit, and a loving heart. Carrie also defined the female hero of our age over a generation ago. Her groundbreaking role as Princess Leia served as an inspiration of power and confidence for young girls everywhere. We will miss her dearly."

 

Dan Aykroyd:

 

"Our beautiful brilliant funny wise kind and generous Blues Sister -so ironic - Xmas was Carrie's favorite thing next to babies."

 

Kevin Smith:

 

"The Princess stole my heart at age 7. Anybody who knows me knows #CarrieFisher was my first love. I thrilled to the adventures of #princessleia in the @starwars movies, but from '77 to '84, I was in love with Carrie Fisher herself. My bedroom was filled with Carrie Fisher pictures from any movie she was ever in (including Polaroids I took off the TV when #thebluesbrothers hit cable). I was jealous of Paul Simon when he was dating Carrie Fisher and wouldn't listen to his music until they split up. I paid to see Carrie Fisher and #chevychase in Under the Rainbow nine times when it was in theaters (mostly because Carrie Fisher was in underwear in one scene). In childhood, I committed myself to Carrie Fisher without ever meeting her the way novice Nuns commit themselves to Christ without meeting Him.

 

Decades later, I got to tell her this when Carrie Fisher and @jaymewes were in a station wagon on the set of #jayandsilentbobstrikeback. She was gracious about hearing it for the zillionth time from the zillionth man or woman who grew up idolizing her, but wickedly added "I'm glad to know I helped you find your light saber." And with that, she stopped being Carrie Fisher to me and just became Carrie. That's the Carrie I'll always remember: the dutiful standard-bearer of childhood dreams with a the wicked sense of humor and a way with words. She didn't want to get paid for her role in @jayandsilentbob Strike Back; instead, she asked that we buy her these antique beaver chairs. Her reason: "Beaver seems an appropriate currency for this movie."

 

When she was a guest on Season 1 of our @hulu show #Spoilers, Carrie curled up in the throne like she belonged there. And she did: after all, she was royalty. As a boy, I dreamed of marrying Carrie Fisher. As a young filmmaker, I dreamed of casting Carrie Fisher. As an adult, I dreamed of being as sharp-witted and prepossessed as Carrie Fisher. And now that Carrie Fisher is gone, I'll dream of my friend Carrie - whose entire magnificent career I was lucky enough to witness, whose honesty made me a better person, and whose spirit - like The Force - will be with us always. Goodnight, Sweet Princess..."

 

Sharon Horgan:

 

"She was the most generous, fun, gifted, smart, kind, funny funny funny person I've ever met. She certainly wasn't ready to go. I'm so glad we became pals. I'm so devastated at her loss."

 

Peter Travers:

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/peter-travers-on-carrie-fisher-from-princess-to-perfect-wit-w457933


Edited by Barry Woodward - 12/28/16 at 4:49am
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I like that Rian Johnson embraces the prequels. I actually hope to see some direct references in Episode 8 just to piss off the fans who can't let go.

 

Star Wars: Episode VIII Director Rian Johnson Defends The Prequels

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Guess I'll pass on Episode VIII now.
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Get ready for the return of Mr. Jar-Jar Binks!
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Did he defend them though?
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He's stood up for them on other occasions as well. He's said, "There was something really beautiful about the prequels."

 

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/07/rian-johnson-getting-directing-job-star-wars-episode-viii-working-lucasfilm/

 

http://furiousfanboys.com/2016/09/rian-johnson-defends-prequels-false-cg-narrative/

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*jerkoff motion*
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hahahaha, of course Kevin Smith has the wordiest response to Fisher's passing

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I find that article a bit spurious - Star Wars VIII is going to be a megahit, a big tentpole that different generations will flock to, albeit in slightly smaller droves than with The Force Awakens. It being Carrie Fisher's last movie will interest a lot of people, but all but about 100 of those people will have been going to see the movie anyway. 
 
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 It won’t be the first time that an actor’s passing helped turn an already big movie into an event. It won’t be the last either.

 

'Star Wars' is the biggest film series on the planet, and The Force Awakens was incredibly popular. It was always going to be an event. 

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I don't think it's quite that literal a connection.

 

I didn't read the link, but to me it's more about the kind of energy that Fisher's passing puts on the release of a new movie that simply makes it more than just 'the next star war.'  And that has a potential POWAAHHHHHH.... that is IMMESCHHURRUBBLE...

 

 

but no, it won't top forwakens' boffo

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I imagine box office wise this will turn out like the last trilogies did with the first being the biggest hit, a dip down for the second and a rise up for the third. Unless this breaks that pattern. TFA was a monster though.
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I think The Force Awakens will be the high benchmark of Star Wars's Disney box office forever, unless there's a similar hiatus at some point. 

 

The Force Awakens had several, unrepeatable advantages: it was the first Star Wars film in 10 years; it was a Star Wars film after its creator had indicated that the films were over with; it brought back some of the most beloved characters in fiction after 32 years; it was accessible in a way that future sequels won't be; it was an easy to like film that made use of Star Wars conventions and imagery that future episodes won't be able to rely on so heavily. People were willing to accept a greatest hits film; many of them wanted exactly that - that derivativeness has a nostalgic draw that new stuff won't. 

 

The kind of buzz and anticipation TFA had can't be recreated, even if future episodes are better films. 

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Thread Starter 

The storyline for Star Wars IX is going to be heavily reworked.  

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Well, they reshoot 40% of the films now anyway, right?
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The storyline for Star Wars IX is going to be heavily reworked.  

 

Princess Leia won't be mentioned again, and instead there'll be a new and different Princess played by Tom Hardy.
 

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Too soon, I know. But people are already making the connection between Episode IX and The Dark Knight. And for as sad as I was yesterday about her passing, I'd think Carrie would want everyone to get back to laughing again.

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like all of us recent blockbusters (that's right, YOU'RE an overrated blockbuster too!), all the star war will be in a constant state of being 'reworked' in some form until they actually come out
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Reworking IX almost certainly means reworking VIII.

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It was pretty fine, right?

Head and shoulders above TFA, so much so that I'm incredulous there's folks here who disagree. I had a blast with it. And 2 weeks later, I STILL LIKE IT. You hear me, TFA? Weeks later. Still like.
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I'm incredulous that people can prefer ROGUE ONE to THE FORCE AWAKENS.

They both half-baked nostalgia trips that privilege fanservice and underutilize their best ideas, but at least THE FORCE AWAKENS has a pulse.
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I'm incredulous that people are incredulous!
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I'm incredulous that people are incredulous!
Shut it, you

You thrive on our incredulity
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Debbie Reynolds is dead.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/debbie-reynolds-dead-dies-carrie-fisher-mother-1201949432/

Wrong thread, Barry.
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I'm incredulous that people can prefer ROGUE ONE to THE FORCE AWAKENS.

They both half-baked nostalgia trips that privilege fanservice and underutilize their best ideas, but at least THE FORCE AWAKENS has a pulse.

If by "pulse" you mean "breezes from cute scene to cute scene without any connective tissue in an effort to ADHD you into being !!DELIGHTED!!" ....then sure.

I'll take the movie that connects its scenes with something called a plot, has a greater sense of scale and worldbuilding, uses nostalgia effectively instead of flat-out reusing scenes from earlier/better works, and adds something new to the mythos. Also one that has the balls to be self-contained, and take some actual risks.

* I love you Agent, I just feel really strongly about my Star Wars rankings.
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I like both TFA and R1. I prefer the former though, it's prettier looking.
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