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post #1901 of 9154
I know they can. I'm just hoping the reshoots will end up serving the story. A lot of hands are tied here.

Hopefully not this as the start of the opening crawl for 9:

General Leia Organa has died!
post #1902 of 9154
They might not do reshoots. They might just have to radically rethink IX.

I can imagine that the Leia/Ren reunion and supporting material would have been pretty crucial. Without that piece of the puzzle the whole structure of IX's story and its character arcs might have to shift.
post #1903 of 9154
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They might not do reshoots. 

of course there will be reshoots!

 

that's just the way movies are made!

post #1904 of 9154
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of course there will be reshoots!

that's just the way movies are made!

Gotta reshoot to make things more simple and dumb! Also my kid wants to play a crucial role and we have statistics that say dogs and cats love Star Wars. We need more dogs and cats in the filum!
post #1905 of 9154
DISNEY SAUSAGE FACTORY
post #1906 of 9154
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Gotta reshoot to make things more simple and dumb!
Yeah, but which scenes from other movies will they use as reference points to determine how much dialogue they need?
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Yeah, but which scenes from other movies will they use as reference points to determine how much dialogue they need?

All of them! If we paint with a wide brush, we'll strike the whole canvas!
post #1908 of 9154
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They might not do reshoots. They might just have to radically rethink IX.

I can imagine that the Leia/Ren reunion and supporting material would have been pretty crucial. Without that piece of the puzzle the whole structure of IX's story and its character arcs might have to shift.

If IX - as it's been plotted at this point based on where Johnson has taken things in VIII - hinges on a Leia/Kylo Ren confrontation, then yeah... they'll have to radically rethink Kylo Ren's character arc.  I can't see Leia's absence affecting the arcs of Rey or Finn in a dramatic fashion, so those elements of the storyline are probably going to remain mostly as intended.  But if Leia was instrumental in concluding or furthering Kylo Ren's journey, he's probably going to get shafted, which is kind of a bummer because I think he's the most interesting and complex of the new characters.  You can't just shift that story responsibility onto some other character (unless it's maybe Luke, I guess, as he'll be the only character left from the original trilogy with a familial link to Kylo).

 

I wouldn't want to be in the position of having to figure this stuff out, but I'm of the opinion that VIII should be left alone as much as possible (unless it's supposed to end with Leia in some kind of cliffhanger situation), and sort things out in IX.

 

Potential silver lining - maybe this means Rian Johnson will stick around to help re-fashion IX's screenplay.

post #1909 of 9154
Thread Starter 

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Edited by Overlord - 1/9/17 at 1:42am
post #1910 of 9154
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ILM has gone from grief/worry to full-on meltdown over Carrie's death.  Personnel have been shifted to Ready Player One and Transformers while the Powers that Be figure out what they are going to do about Episode VIII.  

Rumors abound, my lord. Are you hearing this through the grapevine?
post #1911 of 9154
Ugh, Ready Player One is still happening.
post #1912 of 9154
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Rumors abound, my lord. Are you hearing this through the grapevine?

 

No comment.

post #1913 of 9154
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Ugh, Ready Player One is still happening.

 

It was a fun book. I don't see it working as movie, unless Spielberg totally reworks a lot.

post #1914 of 9154
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It was a fun book. I don't see it working as movie, unless Spielberg totally reworks a lot.

 

It would have worked significantly better as a 13 episode, high budget stand-alone HBO/Netflix series.

post #1915 of 9154
Why's Spielberg making movies I'm not interested in anymore? Why did that have to happen?
post #1916 of 9154
We are in the age where anything can work as a high budget Netflix series.
post #1917 of 9154

The whole book is so rooted in 80s pop culture. I don't see how you can recreate War Games with Matthew Broderick for one key sequence. Or how you can have Ultraman, Mechagodzilla, every sci-fi movie and TV show ship all in one huge battle and make it feel like a credible, exciting climax on film.

 

I feel like Spielberg is going to rework the tone and quite a lot of the bigger and more important scenes to actually make a passable movie.

post #1918 of 9154
If they can find an actor who can handle the pressure, a superhuman task of course, then I say recast and make the movie you need to make.
post #1919 of 9154
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The whole book is so rooted in 80s pop culture. I don't see how you can recreate War Games with Matthew Broderick for one key sequence. Or how you can have Ultraman, Mechagodzilla, every sci-fi movie and TV show ship all in one huge battle and make it feel like a credible, exciting climax on film.

I feel like Spielberg is going to rework the tone and quite a lot of the bigger and more important scenes to actually make a passable movie.

Ugh...
post #1920 of 9154
I'm very optimistic that Spielberg will turn READY PLAYER ONE into something worthwhile.

He might even subtly turn it into a critique of fanboy nostalgia.
post #1921 of 9154

If there was more for Leia to do in EPISODE IX, I feel like they should see it through to the end and let her go off into the sunset. If you want to honor Carrie Fisher, complete her work, don't make it a bridge to nowhere.

post #1922 of 9154
It's a slippery slope, Barry.
post #1923 of 9154
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If IX - as it's been plotted at this point based on where Johnson has taken things in VIII - hinges on a Leia/Kylo Ren confrontation, then yeah... they'll have to radically rethink Kylo Ren's character arc.  I can't see Leia's absence affecting the arcs of Rey or Finn in a dramatic fashion, so those elements of the storyline are probably going to remain mostly as intended.  But if Leia was instrumental in concluding or furthering Kylo Ren's journey, he's probably going to get shafted, which is kind of a bummer because I think he's the most interesting and complex of the new characters.  You can't just shift that story responsibility onto some other character (unless it's maybe Luke, I guess, as he'll be the only character left from the original trilogy with a familial link to Kylo).

I wouldn't want to be in the position of having to figure this stuff out, but I'm of the opinion that VIII should be left alone as much as possible (unless it's supposed to end with Leia in some kind of cliffhanger situation), and sort things out in IX.

Potential silver lining - maybe this means Rian Johnson will stick around to help re-fashion IX's screenplay.
Mostly agreed with all of that, with the caveat that I think Kylo Ren's journey could have a number of satisfying trajectories.

If he was to meet his mother, it would probably either have been to reawaken some latent goodness or for him to finish what he started when he killed Han or some variation on either of those.

There's an arc that could have Kylo Ren disturbed by the death of his mom through the ripples in the Force or whatever. It's not quite as good, but if well-done, it would work.
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ILM has gone from grief/worry to full-on meltdown over Carrie's death.  Personnel have been shifted to Ready Player One and Transformers while the Powers that Be figure out what they are going to do about Episode VIII.  
No more CGI skin-puppets!

Cutting in unused footage from VII or VIII is one thing. Animating a new performance using a CGI skin-mask is another.
post #1924 of 9154
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It's a slippery slope, Barry.

 

I get it. There are no easy answers.

post #1925 of 9154
Agreed on digital skin puppets as a solution. The Uncanny Valley is bad enough without the added the meta textual aspect. Zero suspension of disbelief.
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If the footage they've shot doesn't give them an easy out, what can they do?

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If the footage they've shot doesn't give them an easy out, what can they do?

 

Massive reshoots.  

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Massive reshoots.  
That's why they have the insurance money.
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If they go back with reshoots and contrive a way to kill Leia (good luck without at least some CGI), how do you do it without being distasteful? How do you still honor Carrie Fisher's work and the character?

post #1930 of 9154
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Massive reshoots.  
And this could either help, or could end up breaking something that may already be working perfectly.
post #1931 of 9154

They can't just blow up a ship Leia's on or kill her offscreen.

post #1932 of 9154
Am I the only one on Team Recast?
post #1933 of 9154

I think it should at least be on the table. They would have to find her doppelgänger though.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/5/17 at 10:31pm
post #1934 of 9154
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Am I the only one on Team Recast?
Probably. I can't see it being any less distracting than a digital puppet would be.

No solution will be elegant.
post #1935 of 9154
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They can't just blow up a ship Leia's on or kill her offscreen.

Given Carrie's gone, sorry, that's the way it is.
post #1936 of 9154

But those aren't the only two options.

post #1937 of 9154
Recasting would never work (seriously, you people) and CGI zombification would be horrendous (and you can bet a whole lot more people would be willing to call them on it being in very bad taste a year after Carrie Fisher's death than two decades after Peter Cushing's,) so they're pretty much stuck with writing her out. It's totally possible and rather likely that that's going to be clunky and inelegant, but if it's "muddle through in a suboptimal fashion" versus "make everyone in the world hate you, and also muddle through in a suboptimal fashion," they don't really have a lot of choice.
post #1938 of 9154
I'm sorry....I still can't get into the headspace of wringing my hands as to how an actresses death affects ME. Which is what this feels like. I absolutely ASSURE you that I love these moves likely VASTLY more than the rest of you but...I just can't think about it like this. I'll watch Episodes VIII and IX and judge them based on how good they are and likely come to some kind of conclusion of my own as to what might've been different had fate not intervened and leave it at that..
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post #1940 of 9154
Recasting is possible if people keep an open mind.

But what am I saying?

Seriously though, if you need Leia Organa to tell the story, you try and get one. Do some press junketing where the nice new lady says "I'm not your Princess but I'm here to do the story justice" and then Hamill says "it was weird at first but we're having a great time."

Fisher was an professional. She wouldn't mind.
post #1941 of 9154
The opening crawl of Episode IX:

"So, uh... General Organa has retired. Anyway, moving right along, Luke Skywalker..."
post #1942 of 9154
Fisher's dignity matters more than the dramatic integrity of DisneyWars.

It's just a movie.
post #1943 of 9154
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Recasting is possible if people keep an open mind.

 

I keep seeing people suggest Stevie Nicks.

 

 

post #1944 of 9154
Daphne Zuniga or GTFO.
post #1945 of 9154
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Daphne Zuniga or GTFO.

YES!!!!

(she's a bass)

(I require melrose place fan service!)
post #1946 of 9154
Ok, problem solved.
post #1947 of 9154
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Fisher's dignity matters more than the dramatic integrity of DisneyWars.

It's just a movie.
This is what I keep trying to say. There's no one here that loves these more than me, save Barry...but I refuse to even concern myself with what's best for the films in the face of real life tragedy. They'll be fine. I look forward to seeing them. The end..
post #1948 of 9154
How does impugn Fisher's dignity to hire someone to finish her job?

To me it's weirder to be like "can't do it without you. Into the bin with it."
post #1949 of 9154
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Fisher's dignity matters more than the dramatic integrity of DisneyWars.

It's just a movie.

Exactly. Move the fuck on, let these highly paid hacks figure out how to crank this sausage out for us.
post #1950 of 9154
I'm not opposed to a recasting. If this series carries on into our far flung futures the Carrie's death and recasting will simply have been one of those things. People will eventually come to accept it as part of the saga as a whole and eventually there'll be discussions on who was your favourite Leia.

Otherwise the only other way they can go forward is to restructure both episode VIII and IX and do reshoots for VIII where they can move seamlessly forward into IX.
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