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post #2001 of 3854

Today I learned that Denis Lawson was dubbed over in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

post #2002 of 3854
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Today I learned that Denis Lawson was dubbed over in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.


He was dubbed in Empire too?  Huh.

post #2003 of 3854
There's nothing outright immoral about recasting. I'm just not interested in it.
post #2004 of 3854
It's the eighth deadly sin.

Whatevs, I can't convince you.
post #2005 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post

There's nothing outright immoral about recasting. I'm just not interested in it.

 

And that's fair!  It would be weird for another actress to play Leia, and I don't know if I'd be able to accept her as the same character.  I just don't think it's remotely a moral issue.

post #2006 of 3854
At any rate, does anyone seriously think they'll recast?

They're gonna do whatever they do as a memorial to Fisher's memory. I just hope that doesn't involve a dead-eyed CGI skinpuppet.
post #2007 of 3854

Maybe she'll wake up from her coma and be Jennifer Lawrence.

post #2008 of 3854

There's absolutely no way they recast.

post #2009 of 3854
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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

Today I learned that Denis Lawson was dubbed over in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

I think most of the British actors were dubbed by American voice actors in the first except Imperials and of course Sir Alec. Luke's aunt and uncle were dubbed too.
post #2010 of 3854

Was Lawson really dubbed? His voice is almost identical except for the American accent. I could see Lucas asking him to dub himself changing up the accent. 

post #2011 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Bartleby_Scriven View Post

Easy question, boyos.

If Mark Hamill drops dead right now, do they recast Luke for Episode 9?

 

No. They cancel Episode 9. They make the solo Solo movie because eh, whatever.

 

But it's back to the drawing board for the main saga. Either go backwards far enough that there's genuine narrative tension in both big and small outcomes, or go forward 50-100 years when all the principals of the OT would naturally be dead anyway.

post #2012 of 3854
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Wedge is not Luke or Leia. People covered in costumes are not the same and you know it.

You guys don't know why you like the things you like.

I'm not talking about what Disney does for their bottom line. I'm talking about the moral thing.

Or are you a Disney stockholders?

Cynical as we all can be, have you no respect for the craft of acting?

You know, where people pretend to be things they are not? Including people no longer living?
post #2013 of 3854
Folks are going to be raw about this for a while, but remember, Episode IX isn't coming out until 2019. We'll all be killed by nuclear war long before then.
post #2014 of 3854

What if they got Billie Lourd, Carrie's daughter, to play Leia? She played Lieutenant Connix in VII, apparently has a much bigger role in VIII and is by Leia's side throughout. Use the reshoots to set up a situation that allows Leia's spirit to inhabit the body of Connix.

 

http://cdn.chud.com/7/79/79cd7bef_Kaydel_Ko_Connix_And_Leia_Organa.jpeg 


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/5/17 at 11:32pm
post #2015 of 3854

that's dumb

post #2016 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

What if they got Billie Lourd, Carrie's daughter, to play Princess Leia? She played Lieutenant Connix in VII and apparently has a much bigger role in VIII and is by Leia side throughout. Use the reshoots to set up a situation that allows Leia's spirit to inhabit the body of Connix either permanantly or until her work is done.
STOP IT
JUST STOP IT
post #2017 of 3854
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

that's dumb

 

I know, but audiences would be willing to accept a doofy fantasy explanation like that. There's something fitting about a daughter finishing her mother's work.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/5/17 at 11:33pm
post #2018 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

I know, but there's something fitting about the daughter inheriting the role.
I seriously can't tell whether you're real or not.
post #2019 of 3854
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I know, 

I don't think you know

post #2020 of 3854

Could they just re-shoot / edit Leia completely out of the story?

 

If the plot supposedly did have her out of action for most of the run-time, conceivably could Leia's character be replaced by someone else so the plot still kind of makes sense.

 

Do you think they'll need to have a Star Trek: Beyond Spock Prime-style send off for her regardless?

post #2021 of 3854

If we're going with the recasting option, having Leia's spirit inhabit someone else's body is a way to get around the problem of the audience accepting another actress. Having the daughter of Carrie Fisher be the one to complete her story, assuming she's willing, is not a bad option.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/5/17 at 11:34pm
post #2022 of 3854

Done with this thread.

 

 

Done.

post #2023 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post

If we're going with the recasting option, having Leia's spirit inhabit someone's body is a great way to get around the problem of audiences accepting another actress. Making the daughter of Carrie Fisher the one to complete her story, assuming she would be willing, is not a bad option.
post #2024 of 3854
Yeah, let's get the lady who played the Oracle in "Matrix Revolutions!"

Good thinking, Bar!
post #2025 of 3854
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is not a bad option.

dumb option

post #2026 of 3854

Consciousness/soul transference is a oft used sci-fi/fantasy trope. It's not something audiences haven't seen before. They would accept it.

post #2027 of 3854

it's dumb

post #2028 of 3854

It's the kind of dumb that once everyone wrapped their minds around it, would allow the story to play out as originally intended.

post #2029 of 3854

It's dumb.

 

I'd have no problem with them finding a way to have Lourd's character as Lourd's character take over some of the plot critical aspects of what they were going to do with Leia in IX, (provided it's not done as sloppily as Mockingjay Part II did with Harrelson reading a monologue meant for PSH verbatim and saying it was a letter that he wrote). She's Leia's aide de camp, she'd know what was up as far as running the Resistance. But Force Ghost possession is dumb, and doesn't really honour Fisher in any way.

post #2030 of 3854

Life is easier since I blocked Barry. I recommend it heartily. 

 

I haven't really commented much on the CGI necromancy but despite it not bugging me as much as I thought it would in Rogue One it is something I would REALLY NOT want to see more of in the future. If only cause it's just one more step down the road to Hollywood doing movies completely by committee on computers. And that way lies madness.

 

Just reshoot a death scene for Episode 8. If she's supposed to be in a coma just change it to a suitably emotional death. Han dies in 7, Leia in 8 and Luke in 9. And thus the saga is wholly in the hands of the new guard. It's not ideal but it might be the most tasteful route to take. 

post #2031 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

It's the kind of dumb that once everyone wrapped their minds around it, would allow the story to play out as originally intended.

shut your face

post #2032 of 3854

Have an open mind.

post #2033 of 3854

nice attempt to try to reframe the question being asked here

 

don't be dumb

 

 

 

EDIT: way to remind me of your tendency to completely editing your responses, barry... but I will never forget the way you destroyed your RON PAUL thread

 

I think your original response was something along the lines of:

 

 

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you don't think having the daughter finisher her mother's work honors her memory?

that's what I was responding to originally, you slimo

 

why don't you stand by what you say?

post #2034 of 3854
Just out of curiosity, what sort of filmmaking are you involved in, Barry?
post #2035 of 3854
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why don't you stand by what you say?

 

I already said the same thing previously and thought it was redundant.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/5/17 at 10:01pm
post #2036 of 3854
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I had already said the same thing previously and thought it redundant.

and how is that different from everything else you say?

post #2037 of 3854

You should talk.

post #2038 of 3854

I keep my redundancies for the record.  And only add more redundancies to them.

 

I don't change past posts and change the context completely and make someone else's response to me completely irrelevant/nonsensical.

post #2039 of 3854
I fix spelling or grammatical mistakes.
post #2040 of 3854
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I fix spelling or grammatical mistakes.

 

I only add those!

post #2041 of 3854
You guys, I'm pretty sure Barry is actually a necromancer.
post #2042 of 3854

I think all of the characters' souls should go into Billie Lourd and the whole movie should be like SPLIT.

post #2043 of 3854

Isn't HERE COMES MR. JORDANing Leia into Connix and allowing Fisher's daughter to complete the story preferable to Tarkining her?


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/5/17 at 10:28pm
post #2044 of 3854
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I think all of the characters' souls should go into Billie Lourd and the whole movie should be like SPLIT.

YES!!!
post #2045 of 3854

Honoring Carrie Fisher and continuing Leia's story (at least until the end of IX) does not have to be mutually exclusive. If the scenes she filmed are setting up a specific and significant role for Leia in IX, wouldn't the ideal way to honor her memory be to see it through? Putting aside the big corporation's bottom line or what fans want, do you really think Carrie would want Leia's story cut short?

post #2046 of 3854

I think having Carrie Fisher's daughter literally becoming Carrie Fisher's character through hand wavy bullshit is exactly the last thing that Carrie Fisher would want, given her relationship with her own mother and struggles with escaping her mother's shadow.

 

I think even what I suggested earlier is stretching it, as it inextricably links Billie Lourd to Star Wars, which was another thing that Fisher struggled with getting the world to define her outside of.

post #2047 of 3854

Put that aside, it was just a crazy thought. The greater point is, finishing Leia's story as originally intended is the best way to honor Fisher's memory.

post #2048 of 3854

 

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

Honoring Carrie Fisher and continuing Leia's story (at least until the end of IX) does not have to be mutually exclusive. If the scenes she filmed are setting up a specific and significant role for Leia in IX, wouldn't the ideal way to honor her memory be to see it through? Putting aside the big corporation's bottom line or what fans want, do you really think Carrie would want Leia's story cut short?

 

 

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I think having Carrie Fisher's daughter literally becoming Carrie Fisher's character through hand wavy bullshit is exactly the last thing that Carrie Fisher would want, given her relationship with her own mother and struggles with escaping her mother's shadow.

 

I think even what I suggested earlier is stretching it, as it inextricably links Billie Lourd to Star Wars, which was another thing that Fisher struggled with getting the world to define her outside of.

 

 

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Put that aside, it was just a crazy thought. 

 

Great job Fafhrd!  You got Barry to openly backtrack with strong points!

post #2049 of 3854
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
I think even what I suggested earlier is stretching it, as it inextricably links Billie Lourd to Star Wars, which was another thing that Fisher struggled with getting the world to define her outside of.

 

Isn't it a little late for that, given that she was already in VII and has an increased role in VIII as the right hand of Leia? I like the idea of Billie's Connix becoming the Mon Mothma of this new era.

 

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Great job Fafhrd!  You got Barry to openly backtrack with strong points!

 

It's not a hill I wanted to die on and I wanted to discuss the larger point. I wouldn't call it a backtrack.

post #2050 of 3854
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It's not a hill I wanted to die on and I wanted to discuss the larger point. I wouldn't call it a backtrack.

 

I would!

 

 

 

 

Also... sickening:

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