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When they're done bitching about George Lucas and the prequels ad nauseam, what new things is there to bitch about?

post #2302 of 6852
That the newquels and standalones are lazy nostalgia throwbacks and are vehicles for the sjw liberal agenda.
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Or just that they're sloppy, soulless exercises in corporate calculation and engineered quasi-emotional engagement!
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Or just that they're sloppy, soulless exercises in corporate calculation and engineered quasi-emotional engagement!

At least one of them is entertaining!

One that's not called ROGUE ONE.
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At least one of them is entertaining!

One that's not called ROGUE ONE.

Every demographic catered for. Rogue One was for the blind kids.
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I am
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Originally Posted by Stale Elvis View Post

Every demographic catered for. Rogue One was for the blind kids.

Let them pass in peace.

*I am one with the Force and the Force is with me I am one with the Force and the Force is with me I am one with the Force and the Force is with me I am one with the Force and the Force is with me*
Edited by CD Underbelly - 1/10/17 at 7:48pm
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Rogue One would be wasted on blind kids.

I mean, the vistas alone ...
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Before I destroy the master DI, I'll be sure to take screenshots of those vistas so y'all can get nice quality wallpapers for your desktops and tablets.
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In semi-related news, George Lucas' Museum of Narrative Art has finally found a home - right across the street from USC.

 

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/818960295984971776

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Before I destroy the master DI, I'll be sure to take screenshots of those vistas so y'all can get nice quality wallpapers for your desktops and tablets.

Rogue One's only purpose.
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I've dealt with the most unpleaseable fan bases in the world, but Star Wars takes the cake. It's a great story and all, but why do people have to have it look like the inside of their heads or it's otherwise worthless?
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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post

I've dealt with the most unpleaseable fan bases in the world, but Star Wars takes the cake. It's a great story and all, but why do people have to have it look like the inside of their heads or it's otherwise worthless?

 

Unhealthy obsession.

 

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Lucasfilm needs to hurry up and release the title so I can stop seeing all these EPISODE VIII TITLE REVEALED! articles online where it's just a bunch of speculation. "To create symmetry, a title like THE RESISTANCE STRIKES FIRST would be effective, but Johnson may shock us with an unexpected title like THE SHADOW OF THE MASTER RISES."

Even the Hollywood Reporter is posting this clickbait shit.
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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post
 

In semi-related news, George Lucas' Museum of Narrative Art has finally found a home - right across the street from USC.

 

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/818960295984971776

 

Bah. Lucas missed a golden opportunity: He could have BOUGHT Modesto and the surrounding county, turned it into Lucas Land, then rebuilt Modesto to be just like in American Graffiti with the same cars and everything, then built Star Wars land right outside of town. Then built Red Tails Park to round things out. Man has no vision!

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Unhealthy obsession.

 

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Originally Posted by erik myers View Post

Lucasfilm needs to hurry up and release the title so I can stop seeing all these EPISODE VIII TITLE REVEALED! articles online where it's just a bunch of speculation. "To create symmetry, a title like THE RESISTANCE STRIKES FIRST would be effective, but Johnson may shock us with an unexpected title like THE SHADOW OF THE MASTER RISES."

Even the Hollywood Reporter is posting this clickbait shit.

 

Episode VIII: UNHEALTHY OBSESSION

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Episode VIII - Rey Rising: Revengeance

Episode IX - Darth Jar Jar Plagueius the Wise Binks Strikes Back

Yoda's Todas Youngling Adventures - A Star Wars Cash Grab Story

Disney's press release statement - "Do make a profit, or do not make a profit. There is no 'try'."
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"Carrie Fisher died less than a fortnight ago, but in the minds of Disney movie moguls and Star Wars fans she's very much alive, and with what might be regarded as unseemly haste, Disney is negotiating with the actor's estate over her continued appearance in the franchise."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b088k0jz/newsnight-10012017

 

(the segment starts 30 minutes and 38 seconds in)


Edited by Barry Woodward - 1/12/17 at 12:46pm
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disgusting
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

disgusting
Who: Disney, or Fisher's family?
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You're kidding....

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I'm out
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Awesome.
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Would not hug.
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Peter Cushing died much longer than 15 years ago.

And Barry, just because YOU'RE a life model decoy...
....
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Peter Cushing died much longer than 15 years ago.

 

I know, don't blame the transcriber.

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There's no context for that quote (the video is blocked for non-UK viewers) and all second-hand accounts on other sites make it all sound like hearsay and speculation.

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

"Carrie Fisher died less than a fortnight ago, but in the minds of Disney movie moguls and Star Wars fans she's very much alive, and with what might be regarded as unseemly haste, Disney is negotiating with the actor's estate over her continued appearance in the franchise. If Disney gets the go-ahead, Carrie Fisher will join Peter Cushing, who last month, 15 years after his death, played a key role in ROGUE ONE as Grand Moff Tarkin."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b088k0jz/newsnight-10012017

 

(the segment in question starts 30 minutes and 38 seconds in)


I don't believe any digital Carrie Fisher appearance would ever get even close to being on the scale of digital Tarkin.  I believe negotiations like this would be needed for something as small as an appearance in photograph form.  A standard "likeness" negotiation.  So even IF that report is true (and I'm not convinced that it is), it could be incredibly harmless.

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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post

There's no context for that quote (the video is blocked for non-UK viewers) and all second-hand accounts on other sites make it all sound like hearsay and speculation.
I hope that's all it is.
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I don't believe any digital Carrie Fisher appearance would ever get even close to being on the scale of digital Tarkin.  I believe negotiations like this would be needed for something as small as an appearance in photograph form.  A standard "likeness" negotiation.  So even IF that report is true (and I'm not convinced that it is), it could be incredibly harmless.

That's what I was wondering. Stuff that involves anything involving her likeness from merchandise and marketing that has already been going on for decades.
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I don't believe any digital Carrie Fisher appearance would ever get even close to being on the scale of digital Tarkin.  I believe negotiations like this would be needed for something as small as an appearance in photograph form.  A standard "likeness" negotiation.  So even IF that report is true (and I'm not convinced that it is), it could be incredibly harmless.

 

Once my rep recharges, you gon' get some.

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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post
 

There's no context for that quote (the video is blocked for non-UK viewers) and all second-hand accounts on other sites make it all sound like hearsay and speculation.

 

I've actually seen the video. What I quoted is the host's lead in to a segment about digital actors. It isn't presented as speculation.

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And for what it's worth, John Knoll says that to his knowledge there's been no conversation about "technological solutions":

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/keelyflaherty/carrie-fisher-squealed-with-joy-when-she-saw-leia-rogue-one?utm_term=.xylKyEMwyE#.qxz1kPgekP

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The important moral question this raises is is it moral or immoral to fap over digital artists?

Discuss.
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You guy remember back when Snoop and Dre performed with a hologram of Tupac, and everyone loved it?

 

2012 was such a simpler time...

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post


That's what I was wondering. Stuff that involves anything involving her likeness from merchandise and marketing that has already been going on for decades.

We don't know the intricacies of Fisher's deal vis-a-vis merchandising.  I think it's possible - perhaps even probable - that certain clauses would kick into effect after a performer's death requiring authorization from the estate before further use can be made of the performer's likeness.  That's just speculation on my part, though.

 

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Once my rep recharges, you gon' get some.

Thank goodness I'm a patient man!

 

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

I've actually seen the video. What I quoted is the host's lead in to a segment about digital actors. It isn't presented as speculation.

But there is plenty of room for that quote (which I have no doubt you accurately transcribed for us) to mean any number of things short of full-on CGI Leia in a major role.  They tie it to Cushing because his digital resurrection has been widely covered recently, likely not because the two situations are the same.

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I would prefer the Tarkin thing be a one off experimental sort of thing that was done to see how it was received.

The thing about art...and artists....is that they're mortals just as we are and have only a finite amount of time to bless us with what they have to offer. That's what makes it all special. This sort of thing is a violation of that. I feel like Jeff Goldblum ranting in Jurassic Park over here. If someone programmed Van Gogh's brain algorithms into a computer and then said computer created original works based on subjects that he was passionate about and they REALLY passed muster as something he did....would we really want that? Stop this, please..
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Ok, I might have a solution - what if the actor who was the digital stand-in for Tarkin wore prosthetics to look like Carrie Fisher?

Acceptable?
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Ok, I might have a solution - what if the actor who was the digital stand-in for Tarkin wore prosthetics to look like Carrie Fisher?

Acceptable?

 

No, no. Clearly, the only reasonable solution is Barry's to have Princess Leia's mind transferred to the character her daughter played in The Force Awakens.

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There is a distinct difference between the Tarkin situation and Leia situation.  In the case of Tarkin... he was resurrected mostly as a way to make R1 feel like an authentic prequel.  I didn't care for the decision, but it did help give fans some familiar element to emotionally latch onto for the sake of the narrative.  And it made sense from a business/marketing standpoint to have one of the major characters from ANH to put butts in seats.

 

In the case of Fisher, you're talking about a new entry in the sequel trilogy, new territory.  The events of Ep. 9 haven't happened yet, so that movie comes down to how well its dreamed up and written, not CGI cameos of dead actors.  You already have Hamill as the familiar element anyway, and Luke has always had the most important role in these movies.  Ep.9  doesn't necessarily need Leia like R1 needed Tarkin.  For the record, I don't think R1 needed Tarkin, but I'm perfectly willing to side with the decision to illustrate the greater point here.

 

Taking the 30,000 foot view of the situation on these terms, I have a feeling Lucasfilm will simply write her out of Ep.9, and possibly make some minor plot changes to Ep.8 to accommodate events in the next movie, like they did with TFA.  In fact, they can probably use Leia's absence/death to their advantage in terms of the plot/Kylo Ren.

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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post
 

You guy remember back when Snoop and Dre performed with a hologram of Tupac, and everyone loved it?

 

2012 was such a simpler time...

Or Natalie Cole with her dad.

 

Ah, 1991.

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If the footage Carrie Fisher shot is setting up an important role for Leia in EPISODE IX, there might not be an easy way to write the character out.

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Tarkin's presence in RUGWUN is fine.

It's the CG necromancy that's utterly unnecessary beyond the ambition to push the technology and seeing how people react. A good science experiment, but not something the film needed in order to sell the illusion.
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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

If the footage Carrie Fisher shot is setting up a bigger role for Leia in EPISODE IX, there might not be an easy way to write the character out.

 

Then they need to retool episode VIII now (reshoots, editing, whatever) to give Leia an 'out' in this film.

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They've got another year to tinker with this one, and they're likely still in the drafting stages of Episode IX.

 

A clever writer (like Rian Johnson) could come up with an efficient way to re-write his film and do necessary reshoots.

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Yeah, but you don't want to have to heavily alter Carrie Fisher's final film performance.

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Originally Posted by Barry Woodward View Post
 

Yeah, but you don't want to have to heavily alter or cut out some of Carrie Fisher's final work.

 

If it serves the story, yes you do.  This will be one instance where all of the excess Leia footage would absolutely make it into the DVD/blu ray extras because of love for the actress.

 

This is fiction.  You can do anything that you want, and you need to do whatever you need to do to salvage the story.  If that means editing down Fisher's screentime in order to salvage the storyline of episode IX, then you do it.

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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

 

This is fiction.  You can do anything that you want, and you need to do whatever you need to do to salvage the story.  If that means editing down Fisher's screentime in order to salvage the storyline of episode IX, then you do it.

 

Right. They're not shooting a documentary here or something. It's a fictitious work that, for all intents and purposes, doesn't even really exist yet.

 

Living actors get their parts altered or even removed entirely, all the time.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post

 

Taking the 30,000 foot view of the situation on these terms, I have a feeling Lucasfilm will simply write her out of Ep.9, and possibly make some minor plot changes to Ep.8 to accommodate events in the next movie, like they did with TFA.  In fact, they can probably use Leia's absence/death to their advantage in terms of the plot/Kylo Ren.

 

Leia has too large of a role in Episode VIII for any easy solution.  The Powers that Be(tm) have three choices:  massive reshoots for Episode VIII, truncate Leia's arc immensely for Episode IX (leading to unresolved narratives), or figure out a clever/digital way to complete the arc with the actress being dead.

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I don't know. What's better for the story, sticking to Rian Johnson's original plan for VIII or trying to Frankenstein it with reshoots and editing?

post #2350 of 6852
If you guys can sit through the horrors of the prequels, you can live with this.
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