Originally Posted by VTRan
You can believe we don't have to go down that road all you want, but the reality of the situation is that there are pretty much 2 roads to choose from and just choosing to sit in the intersection and pout could very well allow Trump (and his ilk) to take off down that road....and he'll be driving a steamroller.
The reality of the situation is we have a candidate who even after facing the biggest blocking being that of his own party (the corrupt members of who apparently you support) still holds at 46%. It wont take much to get him above 50 or the proper number of delegates.... Democrats simply have to practice what they preach. Which apparently youre failing at.
As for Trump, i dont care. Look, you people have created this bubble of hyperbole and rhetoric with Trump and now have him on par with Satan himself. When the fact of the matter is when it comes down to it, a Trump or Clinton presidency wont be that much different from one another. The important things in our country, will still go ignored. Maybe you should focus more on cleaning your own house then another..... that seems to be the solution with Clinton supporters. The irony being is that if Trump wins, it will be because Clinton supporters voted for her and not the man who utterly destroys Trump in every single vote and poll.
Originally Posted by VTRan
You think that 8 years of Dubya was detrimental....yikes.
Oh shit you're right! I just realized we could have another Bush on our hands...... hey remind me again, who went along with virtually everything Bush wanted to do? Was it Bernie or Hillary? And remind me again, did Hillary or Trump remove themselves from the disastrous ideas of the Bush administration faster.... which one removed their support faster...... hummmm....
Vote Hillary right?
Because nothing can be more disastrous then the two other people who recognized bad legislation, acts and political moves before and quickly after (for Trump, much quicker then Hillary). Right?
Got it. Vote Hillary.
If you dont want another Bush admin, vote for the person who almost fully supported the Bush admin. that totally makes sense.
This is how bad Hillary supporters are with their nonsense and how little logic or application of reality is being used. Im left having to say that things that are simple facts, but seem like it defends Trump, when thats the absolute last thing.... second to last thing... i want to do.
I'd argue that with Trump as prez., corruption would exponentially increase because he wallows in greed and is incapable of turning that side of his personality off.
You can argue this all you want, but fact is there is nothing really behind it.
Where as, there's quite a bit behind the notion that Hillary is not just more corrupt, but will only become the DNC representative BECAUSE she corrupted the system.
This is what im talking about with the logic. How the holy hell can you understand this concern and be more against Trump, than Hillary? FACT, politically speaking, Hillary is a billion times more corrupt then Trump.
We could argue why that is and throw out all the possibilities and imaginary futures you want to, but we know for a fact what we will get with Hillary. Which is, the single most corrupt democrat in the country.
WTF- The GOP's overwhelming desire to destroy every last little bit of the 'New Deal' is what drove them father right....the fact that Clinton was liked and the economy was doing well when he was in office was just another excuse that they used to justify their own retrograde -dying- ideology.
The election of Pres. Obama is what finally drove them off the deep (right) end.
No. What drove them further right was the triangulation of the republican party and the creation of the bible belt in the late 70s. Without the democrats being on board, this would have died out. So who better to sell out the democratic party than the republicans Bill and Hillary Clinton?
Who then sold the democratic party and we were on the way to the full, one party system we have now. Again, without the sale of the democrats, the further right wing we started to see would have simply been relegated to low watt air waves and fringe groups.
Bush sr. was at right wing as it really gets without getting into the religious right wing. And the reason why Trump was able to get elected over establishment republicans (the system of one party they set up) was because they gerrymandered themselves into a hole.
Regarding the ACA....the fact that is was a conservative idea didn't mean shit to the GOP once Obama got behind it, they fucking disowned faster than you can say 'Reagan' and the fact that the GOP hated it just because Obama supported it should tell you all you need to know about how petty and narrow-minded the current GOP is.
And the only reason youre voting for Hillary is because she has a "d" next to her name. The fact that she is the most corrupt politician we can find and votes traditionally republican... means what to you?
So what's the difference? This imaginary future where Trump is this massive disaster and some how Hillary wont be?
I don't see much of a difference here.
And btw i would like to point something out here. The republicans are attempting to remain in power. Its getting harder and harder for them to do so, so there is a rationale (not saying its great, but it is there) to simply being against the opposing party. So again, what is your excuse for ignoring reality, facts and to not vote on what you claim to be things you understand and ideas you hold?
Again, we see the hypocrisy of Clinton supporters. "They didnt support it because Obama!! I will only support Hillary because of the D by her name!"
Also, the idea of Bush senior implementing affordable healthcare legislation is fucking laughable. Conservatives in Congress would have never gone for something like that.
See... these are your delusions. This is pure insanity.
Why the fuck do you think he, the HF and his former president wrote it? What? For Mitt to apply to a single state over a decade later?
And how can on one hand you say the GOP didnt support the ACA solely because of Obama, and now move on to saying they would not have supported it under Bush? Which btw, politics was not like it is not back in the Bush sr administration.
This was a hot topic back then, and widely supported by all parties and people. This, the ACA, was the republicans answer to it, hence why the democrats came up with shit like "Hilary care". Which btw, again, was a topic that then became ignored, instead of passed, BECAUSE of the sale of the democratic party by the Clinton's. See, the pressure for both parties to pass some kind of health care system was being placed on everyone by the democrats at the time, it was such a pressure that the republicans even recognized they had to implement something. Thats how politics used to be. It was not this silly "we support this/they dont support it at all", it was "the vast majority of Americans take issue with something, dems have an idea, reps have an idea".
But of course again, none of that mattered in the end. Thank you Bill and Hillary for dropping the topic and selling the democrats.
I'm a hypocrite. I think keeping someone that hates the idea of government from being in charge of it is more than a little important.
Putting aside your hyperbolic ranting about how HC is the "most corrupt dem. on the face of the Earth"; if you can't see that she would be a much better choice than the trainwreck that would be Trump presidency, I can't take your opinions seriously.
Name a single democrat in office right now who's level of corruption expands past or is even on par, with Hillary's. Just one.
You do realize that your Trump rhetoric is you applying this worst case scenario that you really dont have much of a reason to apply, right? Not yet at least. Where as you want to blatantly and knowingly ignore the corruption we know for a fact Hillary is capable of and even currently involved in.
You seem to not understand that if we are to measure the political corruptness of these two, Hillary would be done with ther ace before Trump even started. Im sorry facts and reality do not matter to you, but they do to me. I tend to find Hillary supporters dont take facts or logic seriously, so its not very surprising that you wouldnt take my opinions, based on said facts, seriously.
Find me a democrat and information about Trump, that shows Hillary is not just the most corrupt member of the democratic party, but less corrupt than Trump.
You could always vote for Gary Johnson
Which would be the same as me not voting. Hell, im better off writing in Bernie.
But how about you put your money where your mouth is and vote Bernie?
At least your ideals and conscious.... not sure if you have either at this point.... will be clear.
Well... We know why she needed her own server and blackberry w/o Homeland Security having access to it, she was too busy doing things like supporting the coup of foreign governments. But hey, Trump's the disaster right?
Edited by El ahrairah - 5/21/16 at 12:01pm