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post #101 of 646
At least I know where I stand.
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post #103 of 646

A write-up on an up-and-comer:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/opinion/sunday/the-first-gay-president.html?_r=0

 

South Bend's not far from me, so this isn't the first I've heard of Buttigieg, but even I didn't know the extent of his talents.

post #104 of 646

My least favorite Chicago Democrat continues to use the city to fund his family:

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/mihalopoulos-ask-not-what-berrios-clan-can-do-for-your-county/

 

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The county ethics board failed in its legal efforts to curtail nepotism in Berrios’ office. And Boss Berrios clearly doesn’t care if you feel what he’s doing is wrong.
 
He once said he’s just following in the footsteps of President John F. Kennedy, noting how JFK appointed brother Robert F. Kennedy as his attorney general.
post #105 of 646
Thread Starter 

Abs excellent article in the New Republic on the splits within the Democratic Party

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/133776/split

post #106 of 646

Um, no?

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/287324-indicted-dem-orlando-victims-would-still-be-alive-if-agents

 

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Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.) said Friday that if the Department of Justice had been investigating the Orlando nightclub shooter instead of her, the 49 people killed in the massacre there last month would still be alive.

 

Brown was charged with 24 counts of fraud late last week, after being accused of using a college scholarship fund as “a personal slush fund."

 

“These are the same agents that was not able to do a thorough investigation of [shooter Omar Mateen], and we ended up with 50 people dead,” Brown said. Mateen was shot and killed by police at the scene of the Orlando nightclub attack, bringing the total death toll to 50. 

post #107 of 646

Nice to see Blago keeping busy:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-rod-blagojevich-resentencing-20160711-story.html

 

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Goodman has also said the ex-governor, known for his love of history, had been keeping busy behind bars by teaching Civil War history and other classes to fellow inmates. Blagojevich has also been singing in a prison band, The Jailhouse Rockers, although the band took a hiatus after the lead guitar player was released from custody.
post #108 of 646

The Virginia Supreme Court ruled against Gov. Terry McAuliffe's order to restore voting rights to 200,000 felons​:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-court-invalidates-gov-terry-mcauliffes-order-restoring-felon-voting-rights/2016/07/22/3e1d45f6-5058-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

 

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Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s decision to restore voting rights to more than 200,000 felons violates Virginia’s constitution, the state Supreme Court ruled Friday, dealing a major blow to the Democratic governor with implications for the November presidential race in the crucial swing state.

 

In a 4-to-3 decision, the court ruled that McAuliffe overstepped his clemency powers by issuing a sweeping order in April restoring rights to all ex-offenders who are no longer incarcerated or on probation or parole.

 

The court agreed with state Republicans who challenged McAuliffe’s order, arguing that the governor can only restore voting rights on a case-by-case basis and not en masse.

 

McAuliffe responded by saying that he's going to sign orders for each person (that's one tired hand!).

 

 

McAuliffe is basically daring Virginia's GOP to sue thousands of executive orders to restore individual rights.  When the order first came in, 13,000 took the opportunity to register and the ruling took them off the books.  McAuliffe will have to get cracking on those 13,000 orders.  I have my issues with McAuliffe, but not today.

post #109 of 646

No discussion on the Wikileaks emails that show Hillary and a DNC collaborating to destroy Bernie?

post #110 of 646

No. No discussion except for the last 3 or 4 times links have been posted and discussed. Just so you know, Winston, I am quite wary of first time posters who immediately post in the Politics Forum.

post #111 of 646
It's in the 2016 thread.
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

Just so you know, Winston, I am quite wary of first time posters who immediately post in the Politics Forum.

See, I was gonna go with indignant sounding Sanders supporters named after Orwell characters, but I think we're probably both right.
post #113 of 646
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It's in the 2016 thread.

He was probably stuck in the 1984 thread.
post #114 of 646
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
 

No discussion on the Wikileaks emails that show Hillary and a DNC collaborating to destroy Bernie?

I kinda think Russia hacking the DNC in order to get Trump elected is much, much worse.

Probably shouldn't engage with a newbie political poster who'll probably vanish in a couple of days, but here we are.

Meanwhile, 538 says if the election were held today, Trump would win. Lovely.

post #115 of 646
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Meanwhile, 538 says if the election were held today, Trump would win. Lovely.

 

It's the afterglow from the convention.  Give it a month when both conventions are in the rearview mirror and we'll have more accurate polling.

post #116 of 646
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Is Blagojevich Jake or Elwood?
post #117 of 646
Sanders speech will be the most important speech at the DNC. Clinton's campaign is a shitshow and it's going to be up to him to bring it home. Let's hope he doesn't pull a Ted Cruz.
post #118 of 646
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post

Sanders speech will be the most important speech at the DNC. Clinton's campaign is a shitshow and it's going to be up to him to bring it home. Let's hope he doesn't pull a Ted Cruz.

 

Seconded.  He will make or break the Democratic party with his speech.

post #119 of 646

Sanders speech wont matter. 

The people who were Sanders supporters that have already moved to Clinton, wont change their minds because of a bad Sanders endorsement or lack of endorsement. Those who were willing, already did. Those who wont, are calling for Hillary and DWS to be in prison and none of this will change with a good or bad (2nd) speech.

 

It breaks my heart and blows my mind that there are people who can actively support Hillary and her new Wall Street VP Timmy and still think they are progressives.

post #120 of 646
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
 

It breaks my heart and blows my mind that there are people who can actively support Hillary and her new Wall Street VP Timmy and still think they are progressives.

 

Real nice oversimplification, there. Thanks.

post #121 of 646
Yes, the PROGRESSIVE thing to do is help a bigoted man child become the leader of the free world.
post #122 of 646
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
 

Sanders speech wont matter. 

The people who were Sanders supporters that have already moved to Clinton, wont change their minds because of a bad Sanders endorsement or lack of endorsement. Those who were willing, already did. Those who wont, are calling for Hillary and DWS to be in prison and none of this will change with a good or bad (2nd) speech.

 

It breaks my heart and blows my mind that there are people who can actively support Hillary and her new Wall Street VP Timmy and still think they are progressives.

 

 

post #123 of 646

How's that "Make America Great Again" hat fitting you there, Winston? You can keep it on your head while being escorted from the building.

post #124 of 646
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post

Sanders speech wont matter. 
The people who were Sanders supporters that have already moved to Clinton, wont change their minds because of a bad Sanders endorsement or lack of endorsement. Those who were willing, already did. Those who wont, are calling for Hillary and DWS to be in prison and none of this will change with a good or bad (2nd) speech.

It breaks my heart and blows my mind that there are people who can actively support Hillary and her new Wall Street VP Timmy and still think they are progressives.

Just admit that you're a Trump supporter already.
post #125 of 646
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Just admit that you're a Trump supporter already.

You know he's banned, right?

post #126 of 646
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You know he's banned, right?
Unless he was saying something that I haven't been, I expect you to ban me, too.
post #127 of 646
I banned him. That I disagreed with him wasn't the issue. My ego is significant, but not that significant. First post in the Politics Forum and named after an Orwell character? Sometimes you wait, sometimes you don't. You don't have to agree with it and I'm not perturbed if you don't.
post #128 of 646
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Unless he was saying something that I haven't been, I expect you to ban me, too.

 

Why would I?

 

I only asked AM that because I didn't want him to expect a response from someone who can't post on here anymore.

post #129 of 646

Ilhan Omar won her primary in Minnesota today, and she'll be the first Somali-American lawmaker in the House if she wins the election:

 

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN

post #130 of 646

Salon has a new CEO, and there will be many changes coming:

 

http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/08/new-salon-very-different-from-the-old-salon-004705

 

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After the presidential election in November, expect to see a lot less political coverage from liberal news and commentary site Salon.

 

According to several sources, Salon’s newly appointed CEO Jordan Hoffner is planning to cut down on the site’s political writing and instead direct resources toward culture, business and lifestyle writing — a plan that has some political writers at the site worried.

 

In staff meetings and conversations about the planned change in editorial direction, Hoffner did not provide an exact timeline for the shift in editorial strategy, which will likely make Salon more attractive to some advertisers but will mark a huge change for the site, which has been known for its unapologetically liberal politics since it launched in the mid-1990s.
 

One person who worked with Hoffner said it's expected the politics section will be gutted after the November election.

 

“There isn’t a person there who shouldn’t be concerned,” that person said.

 

I haven't been reading much Salon lately.  There were a couple "Trump might be better than Clinton" articles that ended up being the final embers for me.  Over the years. though, I've read a lot over there and found many writers I enjoyed.  The change will be weird. 

 

Patton Oswalt will get a laugh out of this, though.

post #131 of 646
Really? Because the last Salon article I read made it perfectly clear that people who vote for Trump are complete fuckwits.
post #132 of 646

Salon still has the occasional good article but they have been the epitome of contrarianism.  That in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing but IMO, they are doing it just to be dicks.

 

I kept expecting to see some article over there praising BvsS as the best movie of the year.

post #133 of 646
Salon's the internet equivalent of the schmuck in the room who keeps raising their hand and yelling "WELL ACTUALLY..."

I remember an article dissing Bowie shortly after his death, and the whole thing screamed dickishness.
post #134 of 646

Kathleen Kane is guilty of all charges:

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160816_Jury__A_G__Kane_guilty_of_perjury__obstruction__all_other_charges.html

 

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Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane was convicted Monday of perjury, obstruction and other crimes after squandering her once bright political future on an illegal vendetta against an enemy.
 

Four years after Kane's election in a landslide as the first Democrat and first woman elected attorney general, a jury of six men and six women found her guilty of all chages: two counts of perjury and seven misdemeanor counts of abusing the powers of her office.

 

Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele persuaded the jurors that Kane orchestrated the illegal leak of secret grand jury documents to plant a June 2014 story critical of her nemesis, former state prosecutor Frank Fina. Kane then lied about her actions under oath, the jury found.

 

A few Pennsylvania Democrats have run afoul of the law recently.

post #135 of 646

You didn't know it, but you need John Lewis crowdsurfing in your life:

 

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post #137 of 646
Thread Starter 

Kathleen Kane, a rising star in the Democratic party in PA, just got a year in jail for leaking Grand Jury testimony to reporters in order to embarrass a political enemy and then lying about it under oath. That's on top of leaking her own emails that led to two State Supreme Court Justices resigning from office. 

 

People who are gloating about the implosion of the GOP into a blob of racist misogynist bloviating should reflect that one party systems end up imploding under the weight of corruption and criminality.

post #138 of 646

I get the feeling this thread might become very relevant over the next few months.  In the meantime, here's some good news out of Delaware:

 

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2016/11/10/state-claims-effective-end-veteran-homelessness/93598052/

 

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The effort to reduce veteran homelessness was a challenge issued by First Lady Michelle Obama in 2014.  Since then, nearly 900 leaders of municipalities and states across the country have signed on.  Delaware took up the cause following Markell's January 2015 State of the State address.
 
Since then, officials have worked to create a new system focused on veterans threatened by homelessness.  State officials estimate that approximately 277 veterans become homeless in Delaware annually.  Since the challenge was issued here, about 414 homeless veterans have been placed in permanent housing.

 

Great program, and great communication between government officials and nonprofit organizations. 

 

*I should note that I'm not exactly making this a "only Democrats do this" sort of thing because that would obviously be wrong.*

post #139 of 646
The Onion: DNC Aiming To Reconnect With Working-Class Americans With New ‘Hamilton’-Inspired Lena Dunham Web Series

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Viewers will also have the chance to win a trip to be in the audience at a live TED Talk taping if they share the series on Instagram, which we believe will draw considerable interest across the nation’s heartland.
post #140 of 646

In terms of actual DNC news, what do we think of Keith Ellison as DNC head? He seems to be the frontrunner right now, with backing from Sanders, Warren, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and a number of other Senators, representatives, state chairmen, and other luminaries like Van Jones. The fact that both Sanders and Schumer are behind him speaks volumes, I think. My main concern is whether or not he'd give up his seat in the House to do it, because...yeah, cleaning out/rebuilding the DNC and going full-bore on recruitment and platform building is going to be a full-time job.

 

The good news is, he's a hardcore Midwestern populist fighter, and definitely not someone who's going to be easily intimidated, and can also bridge the gap between the Clinton and Sanders wings of the party. Definitely the kind of leader that Democrats need going forward, along with Warren, Booker, Gavin Newsom, and Jason Kander (who I'm sure the Dems are going to try to elevate even though he lost his Senate race this year).

post #141 of 646
I'm a fan of Ellison, and he's one of the few who has made no conciliatory overtures towards the potential Trump administration.
post #142 of 646

Converted to Islam, which might be a problem for some people. He also, many years ago, defended Louis Farrakhan against accusations of anti-Semitism (Farrakhan is a clear anti-Semite), so that's not a good look in my eyes.

post #143 of 646

The top three Democratic leaders in the House are nearing 80-years-old. 

 

The party of the young hasn't looked it in a very long time sans Obama.  I'd love to see some young blood and new ideas creep their ways into positions of power.

post #144 of 646

The top 3 front runners for the Democratic Nomination were over 70 or pushing 70 (I know Biden didn't run but I put him there anyway).   Contrast that with the Republican field and you see people in their early 40's in there.   That's a deep bench and I'm not sure we have anyone ready right now to run in 2020.   The brightest lights are either going to be too old or too inexperienced in 4 years.   Why such a huge generation gap?   I'm guessing because it was supposed to be Hillary from '08-'16 and then hand off to Obama?   Whatever the case, we're short some candidates.

post #145 of 646
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“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” Senator Chuck Schumer, July 2016

This is the guy who the Democrats are likely to elect as Senate Minority Leader.
post #146 of 646
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The top three Democratic leaders in the House are nearing 80-years-old. 

 

The party of the young hasn't looked it in a very long time sans Obama.  I'd love to see some young blood and new ideas creep their ways into positions of power.

 

 

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The top 3 front runners for the Democratic Nomination were over 70 or pushing 70 (I know Biden didn't run but I put him there anyway).   Contrast that with the Republican field and you see people in their early 40's in there.   That's a deep bench and I'm not sure we have anyone ready right now to run in 2020.   The brightest lights are either going to be too old or too inexperienced in 4 years.   Why such a huge generation gap?   I'm guessing because it was supposed to be Hillary from '08-'16 and then hand off to Obama?   Whatever the case, we're short some candidates.

 

I don't know if this has been linked here before: https://bullshit.ist/the-pendulum-swings-both-ways-61d50f6608d9#.ue0gh8icy

 

Look at number four. He's saying we have Booker, Warren, Newsom, and Kamala Harris.

post #147 of 646

We are in a weird place with diagnosing where to go next.   I mean Hillary lost the election but she did get more than a million votes over Donald Trump and that's still rising.   Could it be that Hillary was a one off?   That someone a little more down to earth could have reached people who eventually voted for Trump?   Could it be that the real problem area is the DNC and the entrenched Clinton era Democrats who are still in charge?   Obviously, there's work that needs to be done to reach those white working class voters in the rust belt but I don't think the Democratic Party is in near the bad shape it's made out to be.

 

On the other hand, if Paul Ryan gets his wish and passes his budget that gets rid of Medicare and SS as we know it, I think we can see a lot of people who wanted to give Trump a chance coming home to the Dems.   That is if we run a candidate who can connect with the people.   We shall see.

post #148 of 646

Tim Ryan of Ohio will be challenging Nancy Pelosi:

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-tim-ryan-231572

 

In a year where Ohio strongly went for Trump, Ryan won reelection easily.  He believes he can reconnect the Democratic Party-at-large with white working-class voters.

post #149 of 646
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We are in a weird place with diagnosing where to go next.   I mean Hillary lost the election but she did get more than a million votes over Donald Trump and that's still rising.   Could it be that Hillary was a one off?   That someone a little more down to earth could have reached people who eventually voted for Trump?   Could it be that the real problem area is the DNC and the entrenched Clinton era Democrats who are still in charge?  

Absolutely, yes, all of the above.

The devil in the details is the question of how deeply embedded in the party's tissue Clintonism is. Can the Diet Republicans be completely removed from power within the Democratic Party with less effort than it would take to simply build a new party without them? Can they be removed from power when the six corporations that own all American news media will be on their side? Obviously, Trump could fight the media and win. Are we as mad as his voters are yet? Are we sick and tired of being sick and tired? Do we recognize a game of Good Cop/Bad Cop when it's being played on us? Or are we going to let ourselves be bamboozled into voting for another Goldman Sachs Democrat in four years?
post #150 of 646
Thread Starter 

I'd argue that there are plenty of angry Democrats...they supported Bernie Sanders. You might look down on them for being petulant that their guy didn't win the nom, and for essentially wanting to vote for a bunch of hand outs, but they were/are passionate about the man and his ideas. 

 

You also have the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party, which is gathering strength. 

 

Clinton lost...and did so in an ugly campaign that reminded people of every single reason they ever disliked or mis trusted the Clintons. And the weird sex stuff with the Clintons and the Weiners didn't help.

 

I think they are spent as an influence. 

 

It will be interesting to see how Obama influences, or fails to influence, the party going forward. Major losses to the Dems in Congress and at the State level occurred during his watch, yet he remains personally popular and will only grow in stature during whatever happens next. 

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