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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post
 

Just gonna leave this here:

 

getthefuckouttahere....?!

 

wow.

post #602 of 685
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
 

Uncontrollable rage ..... rising.

 

See, for me it's just more cynicism at this whole farce.  But yesterday was still a pretty good day.

post #603 of 685
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Which is the milquetoast, privileged interpretation of it. Clinton had far more enthusiasm in minority communities, in LGBT communities, in latino communities, in suburban communities. That's why she had millions more votes in the primary, and its why she had millions more votes in the general election. 

But the only perspective afforded on the whole thing is generally that of white guys on the internet. Its infuriating. Just because you never saw any of this doesn't mean it didn't exist.


If appealing to certain specific demographics isn't enough to win an election, and you're not any good at generating enthusiasm for your message beyond those demographics, and as a result you lose and everyone ends up worse off, then frankly this kind of chest beating and finger pointing doesn't count for a whole lot.

 

The bottom line is you have to go out and win people's votes, to generate widespread enthusiasm and get people unified and excited. You can't just fall back on the idea that people in some way owe you votes on principle and get angry when they don't act like they were supposed to.

 

Even if Clinton had eked out a win, I get the feeling sooner or later the fact would have to be contended with that that particular 90's/00's-brand of watered down centrist liberalism isn't doing it for enough people anymore.

 

I'm hardly an ideologue, I was hugely skeptical of both Sanders and Corbyn. But from looking at where the wind has been blowing in the west, right now if I had to pick which side seems more likely to represent a vital future for left-of-centre politics, I wouldn't be looking at the Clintonites.

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Is that Donna 

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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post
 

Just gonna leave this here:

 

 

That's in Trump Tower, isn't it?  Looks like someone blurred the name out above the elevator.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Dems took control of the Washington State Senate tonight.  They now have full control of the West Coast, and collaboration between California, Oregon and Washington is on the table:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/washington-state-west-politics-democrats.html

 

 

CALIFORNIA JUST WANTS OUR WATER!  LIKE THE ALIENS IN 'V'!!!!!!

post #605 of 685
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I'm hardly an ideologue, I was hugely skeptical of both Sanders and Corbyn. But from looking at where the wind has been blowing in the west, right now if I had to pick which side seems more likely to represent a vital future for left-of-centre politics, I wouldn't be looking at the Clintonites.

 

 

Sure, but if Biden gears up for 2020 as a third-term Obama deal, and Sanders wants to challenge him.

 

What's gonna happens when the left-of-center finds out that most of this country really is closer to the center? Go quietly into the night? Accept the reality of the moderate middle?

I somewhat doubt that, and it is stressing me out.

post #606 of 685
That is indeed Donna. The original photo is tagged Fox News, so it might be their lobby (just as bad).
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Where's Clarke's flair? I thought he needed his flair to survive! Still has that stupid hat, though.

post #608 of 685
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
 


If appealing to certain specific demographics isn't enough to win an election, and you're not any good at generating enthusiasm for your message beyond those demographics, and as a result you lose and everyone ends up worse off, then frankly this kind of chest beating and finger pointing doesn't count for a whole lot.

 

The bottom line is you have to go out and win people's votes, to generate widespread enthusiasm and get people unified and excited. You can't just fall back on the idea that people in some way owe you votes on principle and get angry when they don't act like they were supposed to.

 

Even if Clinton had eked out a win, I get the feeling sooner or later the fact would have to be contended with that that particular 90's/00's-brand of watered down centrist liberalism isn't doing it for enough people anymore.

 

I'm hardly an ideologue, I was hugely skeptical of both Sanders and Corbyn. But from looking at where the wind has been blowing in the west, right now if I had to pick which side seems more likely to represent a vital future for left-of-centre politics, I wouldn't be looking at the Clintonites.

 

It wasn't until the third paragraph of this post that I realized it was criticizing Clinton, and not Sanders.

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CALIFORNIA JUST WANTS OUR WATER!  LIKE THE ALIENS IN 'V'!!!!!!

True. Also, as I understand it, Washingtonians taste better, too.

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True. Also, as I understand it, Washingtonians taste better, too.

 



Um, thanks?
post #612 of 685

I just read that Donna Brazile is scheduled to be on Real Time w/Bill Maher tomorrow night.

 

This is gonna be....fun?

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The mayoral race in Albuquerque went blue in a big way:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-grab-albuquerque-mayoral-seat-back-from-gop-in-blowout/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+New+Content+(Feed)&utm_content=5a0be48a04d3015aade5abfd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 

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Democrats wrested control of New Mexico's largest city from the GOP on Tuesday as Democratic New Mexico State Auditor Tim Keller easily won a race to become Albuquerque's next mayor.

 

According to unofficial results, Keller beat Republican Albuquerque City Councilor Dan Lewis with 62 percent of the vote compared to 38 percent – results CBS Albuquerque affiliate KRQE called "a blowout" -- in a race that centered on the city's raising crime rates and its struggling economy.

 

The election came a week after Democrats won governorships and legislative seats in Virginia and New Jersey and took mayoral seats in places such as Helena, Montana.

 

Keller told a packed room at Albuquerque's historic Andaluz Hotel his victory was a rejection of fear and "language that divided us" - a veiled jab at President Trump.

 

"We embraced inclusion. We embraced unity," said Keller, who will replace GOP Albuquerque Mayor Richard Berry, who opted not to seek re-election.

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The party chair of the Florida Democratic Party has stepped down and apologized after six women complained of inappropriate comments and sexual advances:

 

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/11/16/florida-democratic-party-chair-apologizes-after-6-women-complain-of-demeaning-behavior-118364

 

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Six former Florida Democratic Party staffers and consultants say that current party Chairman Stephen Bittel has created an unprofessional workplace environment for women that includes persistent inappropriate comments, leering at young women and even inviting them on his private jet.

 

The women, who were reached independently by POLITICO and insisted on anonymity out of fear for their jobs, said Bittel never inappropriately touched or threatened them. But he made them feel so uneasy that they didn’t want to be alone with him due to his body language, suggestive remarks and even the breast-shaped stress squeeze-ball he has been known to keep on his desk. 

 

Depending on the circumstance and the person discussing Bittel, they said he would make references about women cooking dinner, showing their breasts, their age, whether they wanted to ride on his plane, come to his hotel room or if they thought he was attractive.

 

“There was a lot of boob stuff in his office,” said a woman who was a fundraiser years ago and had to interact with him. “I was told by other women not to go into his bathroom. I was warned.”

In a written statement, a spokesman for Bittel didn’t dispute the women’s accounts and acknowledged he had the breast-shaped stress balls. But, he said, they were a gift “from a former female general counsel of his company years ago as a joke for his birthday. He keeps them in a drawer with other gag gifts.”

 

Bittel also apologized. 

 

“Every person, regardless of their gender, race, age or sexuality should be treated with respect and valued for their hard work and contributions to our community and if any of my comments or actions did not reflect that belief I am deeply sorry,” Bittel said. “I have much to learn, but my goal is and has always been to make sure every member of our party has a safe environment in which to succeed. It seems I’ve not been successful in that goal, and I will do better."

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Another apology that's all about the apologizer and barely mentions the people he hurt.

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Don't apologies have to be about what you did, in order to be apologies?  Because no one wants one of those "I'm sorry if you felt that way," type of things either.

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Apologies should focus on the apologizer's responsibility but acknowledge, unequivocally, the offended party's wounds and primacy.

 

"If any of my actions" is bullshit language. It's equivocation. 

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What the hell is this?

 

https://articles.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/11/sitting_supreme_court_justice.amp

 

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Ohio Supreme Court Justice Bill O'Neill, a Democratic candidate for governor, apparently trying to head off any criticisms from his opponents, revealed what he says are his sexual escapades over the years on a Facebook post.

 

A post on O'Neill's official Facebook said he was speaking up "on behalf of all heterosexual males" after allegations against Democratic U.S. Sen. Al Franken came to light Thursday. O'Neill, a Chagrin Falls native, said he had been "sexually intimate" with "approximately 50 very attractive females." 

 

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that's definitely a tactic to take...

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How bizarre. 

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Well, that dude ain't winning the primary for Governor now.

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Ohio Democratic party chair David Pepper has weighed in:

 

https://twitter.com/DavidPepper/status/931586387421343744

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O'Neill's post was gross dickswinging disguised as progressivism.

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O'Neil's spokesman got the hell out of dodge:

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360933-spokesman-for-ohio-justice-who-bragged-about-sex-history-resigns

 

I don't see staffers backing away from Roy Moore.

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O'Neill's post was gross dickswinging disguised as progressivism.

 

It's not even really trying to disguise the dickswinging.  Which makes me kind of like it, as far as rock-stupid, unsolicited fuck-ups go.

post #626 of 685

"Its true. I have been plowing top shelf trim from on high this entire time. I take full responsibility for my raw sexual magnetism."

I agree with Schwartz, that's hilarious. Until we invariably discover that a not insignificant percentage of these hookups were problematic in one way or another, because honestly why the fuck else would he be throwing that out there?

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Oh yeah, there must be something in there he’s trying to get ahead of.
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Or maybe he just has designs on running against Trump in 2020.

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At this point, any candidate from either party is going to have been an absolute choir boy, altar boy, cub scott, boy scott, or any variation thereof in order to not have something "inappropiate" come out from their past.  

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At this point, any candidate from either party is going to have been an absolute choir boy, altar boy, cub scott, boy scott, or any variation thereof in order to not have something "inappropiate" come out from their past.  

 

Maybe we should elect some women.

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NAH.

 

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At this point, any candidate from either party is going to have been an absolute choir boy, altar boy, cub scott, boy scott, or any variation thereof in order to not have something "inappropiate" come out from their past.  


But to be clear, only for the Democrats.

 

Republicans have already been handed their talking point for candidates with inappropriate behavior short of attempted rape of a minor:  "Hey, it's not like he's Roy Moore!"

 

But seriously:  Totally willing to bet that we hear "This is not a Roy Moore situation" at least once during the 2018 campaign season.

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The Dems definitely have some cleaning up to do:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/draft-court-docs-congressman-accused-of-conspiracy-false-statements/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=45007705

 

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Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pennsylvania, is suspected of wrongdoing in the FBI's investigation into payments his campaign allegedly made to his opponent in 2012 to encourage him to drop out of the race, according to an approved search warrant application filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. 

 

Two political consultants have already been charged in the campaign finance probe involving Brady's reelection campaign, but the recently unsealed search warrant application appears to be the first time Brady himself is mentioned as suspected of criminal wrongdoing in the probe. Federal prosecutors last month said Kenneth Smukler and Donald Jones planned a scheme for the Brady campaign to make an illicit $90,0000 campaign donation to Jimmie Moore, intended to pay down campaign debt. 

 

Now, FBI special agent Jonathan Szeliga says in the search warrant application obtained by CBS News he has "probable cause to believe that Kenneth Smukler, Robert Brady, Donald "D.A." Jones, Jimmie Moore, and Carolyn Cavaness and others known and unknown have committed violations," involving conspiracy, false statements, and causing false campaign contribution reports, and violations related to limits on campaign contributions and expenditures. The search warrant is for all AOL accounts associated with Brady's email account, "bobcongress@aol.com," and Brady's email is listed as the target. The search warrant application is signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Carol Sandra Moore Wells.

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Good article about how the Pod Save America/Crooked Media guys may have figured out how to create "talk radio for the left" without actually doing that: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/magazine/the-voices-in-blue-americas-head.html

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It's their clever approach to their sponsors that keeps me coming back. 

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Pelosi is now calling on Conyers to resign: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/936268748276817923?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

It seemed pretty obvious that her defense of Conyers a few days ago would become a problem.  She didn't read the room well at all here.

 

There was a survey recently that showed Democrats think both parties have issues with sexual assault to deal with, while Republicans think only Dems have that problem.  That's a mind-boggler, but it shows that Dem brass needs to jump ahead of these things.

 

Franken still needs to go.  Minnesota has plenty of progressives waiting in the wings who can get in now.

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Franken still needs to go.  Minnesota has plenty of progressives waiting in the wings who can get in now.

 

 

He don't wanna go. 

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Nancy Pelosi is calling on Ruben Kihuen to resign after sexual allegations:

 

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Murders in New York City are down again, this time 17% from last year.  Shootings are also down:

 

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/criminal-justice/2017/12/02/murder-statistics-nyc-new-york-city-2017

 

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For the first 11 months of the year, the city has recorded its lowest number of murders since the 1950s.  

 

NY1's Dean Meminger has found out exclusively that murders are down 17 percent compared to last year at this time.  

 

As of December 1, there were 259 murders. Last year, there were 313.

 

New York is on track to have fewer than 300 murders for all of 2017 in a city of 8.5 million people.

 

In terms of shootings, there have been 723, compared to 933 shootings last year at this time. That's a reduction of 22 percent.

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"My good name and legacy." Fucking gross. 

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"My good name and legacy." Fucking gross. 


Anyone else think that this seat likely flips red if someone with the last name "Conyers" is running for it, as apparently the current Conyers-in-office wants?

 

Or is this a navy-blue district that would elect the liberal equivalent of Roy Moore if such an individual existed?

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Anyone else think that this seat likely flips red if someone with the last name "Conyers" is running for it, as apparently the current Conyers-in-office wants?

 

Or is this a navy-blue district that would elect the liberal equivalent of Roy Moore if such an individual existed?


This district is solid blue. Clinton won it 79-18% last election, and they haven't had a Republican rep since the 1940s.

post #644 of 685

Republicans lost their supermajority in the Georgia Senate last night:

 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/5/1721447/-The-night-the-lights-went-on-in-Georgia-Democratic-win-breaks-GOP-state-Senate-supermajority

 

Dems won a seat they won last year.  Confusing?  Read on:

 

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Democrats scored another big win on Tuesday, this time in a seat they’d already flipped from red to blue.

 

Clear as mud? I’ll explain. 

 

Georgia’s 6th Senate District became open last fall when the Republican representing it resigned to run for governor. A broad field of candidates ran to replace him: three Democrats and five Republicans. One of those Democrats, Jaha Howard, lost to the incumbent Republican by just 4 points in 2016, and he appeared to be a top contender in the special election—until some disturbing information came to light in October. Specifically, Howard was found to have authored a long and disturbing series of anti-LGBT and misogynistic social media posts. He belatedly apologized for and deleted the posts, but these misogynistic and homophobic rantings are unacceptable for any elected official, especially a Democrat.

 

Thankfully, another strong candidate and progressive Democrat was already running in SD-06, which went for Hillary Clinton by a 55-40 margin. Jen Jordan is a first-time candidate, but she’s no stranger to fighting for progressive causes. As an attorney, she stood up in court for victims of sexual assault and predatory lenders, and she fought on the front lines against the GOP’s war on voting. Jordan is also a staunch advocate for public education, LGBTQ rights, raising the minimum wage, and expanding access to heath care.

post #645 of 685

Disconcerting:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/john-conyers-iii-was-arrested-domestic-abuse-not-prosecuted-n827151

 

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John Conyers III, a Detroit hedge fund manager named as a possible successor to his scandal-rocked father, Rep. John Conyers Jr., was arrested in Los Angeles this year on suspicion of domestic violence, but prosecutors declined to charge him, according to documents first obtained by NBC News. 
The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office cited a "lack of independent witnesses" and concluded that it "could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the victim's injury was not accidentally sustained" while Conyers was disarming her, according to case paperwork. 
In addition, prosecutors said the victim had no visible injuries beyond a small stab wound to a lower biceps and no other independent witnesses to what she described as earlier pushing and shoving by Conyers III. 
Conyers was arrested on Feb. 15 at a Los Angeles residence on suspicion of violence against his girlfriend after the woman called police. The woman isn't named in the document that recorded the decision not to file charges. 
Conyers, 27, told The New York Times on Wednesday night that, during an argument, the woman pulled a knife on him and that "she cut herself" as they struggled. 
"I apologize, and I am regretful for any part I played in escalating the altercation," he told the newspaper. 
post #646 of 685

The Democratic Party is reforming its election process.  By how much remains to be seen:

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dnc-unity-reform-commission-2016-presidential-primary_us_5a2c59fbe4b0a290f05145d2

 

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At its final meeting on Friday and Saturday, the Democratic National Committee’s Unity and Reform Commission agreed to a set of dramatic revisions aimed at restoring faith in the presidential nomination process and the management of the DNC.
The 21-member panel, which held its ultimate gathering in a conference room at the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington, D.C., is recommending the effective abolition of some 60 percent of superdelegates to the presidential nominating convention. It has also presented a set of measures designed to increase accessibility to presidential primaries and caucuses, as well as reforms aimed at opening up DNC budgetary and administrative processes to greater scrutiny through, among other things, the creation of an Ombudsmen Council.
The reforms are not yet a done deal, however. The commission’s report now heads to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which will have a 6-month period to amend party rules to enact the reforms, and could theoretically try to dilute the commission’s recommendations (though they would have to run any changes by the commission). The roster of over 400 voting DNC members will also get to vote on the proposals at the full DNC meeting in the fall of 2018. 
post #647 of 685

Well, you can't say there's much in-fighting between Tennessee Democrats:

 

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2017/12/13/democrat-james-mackler-drops-out-tennessee-us-senate-race/950507001/

 

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Democrat James Mackler, a Nashville attorney and Iraq War veteran, is dropping out of next year's U.S. Senate race in Tennessee after his bid became a long-shot following the entry of former Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen.
Mackler made the announcement in a statement late Wednesday, saying he is "stepping back" from the race to replace Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, with plans to stay involved through a new political action committee that will support federal candidates.
His move comes one week after former Bredesen, a former two-term governor of Tennessee from 2003 to 2011, entered the Senate race, leaving Mackler a sizable underdog to win the party's nomination in August.
post #648 of 685

Minnesota's replacement for Al Franken is its lieutenant governor, Tina Smith.  She plans on running again:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/us/tina-smith-minnesota-senate.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

post #649 of 685

Paul Davis would like to be the first Democratic Kansan in 10 years to join the House.  He just unveiled some proposals:

 

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article189594184.html

 

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Democrat Paul Davis unveiled Wednesday a series of transparency proposals he’d like to pursue if he can become the first member of his party to win a congressional race in Kansas in 10 years. 
Davis, a Lawrence attorney and former state lawmaker, is seeking the seat in the state’s 2nd congressional district. U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins, a Topeka Republican, plans to retire at the end of her current term. Davis, who narrowly lost to Gov. Sam Brownback in the 2014 race for governor, won the district in the 2014 race and so far has raised more money than all the Republican candidates combined. 
The Democrat’s transparency plan includes many longstanding wish-list items for progressives, including a constitutional amendment to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision, which opened the door to unlimited spending by corporations and unions on political races.
Davis also supports legislation that would create stronger disclosure requirements on political spending and stricter regulations for online political ads and that would close the “lobbyist revolving door” by enacting a two-year waiting period before political appointees can become lobbyists.
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Andrea Ramsey was running for Congress in a Kansas district, but she's dropping out after sexual harassment allegations in a 2005 lawsuit resurfaced:

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article189931779.html

 

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Andrea Ramsey, a Democratic candidate for Congress, will drop out of the race after the Kansas City Star asked her about accusations in a 2005 lawsuit that she sexually harassed and retaliated against a male subordinate who said he had rejected her advances. 


Multiple sources with knowledge of the case told The Star that the man reached a settlement with LabOne, the company where Ramsey was executive vice president of human resources. Court documents show that the man, Gary Funkhouser, and LabOne agreed to dismiss the case permanently after mediation in 2006.


Ramsey, a 56-year-old retired business executive from Leawood, was one of the Democratic candidates vying to challenge Republican Rep. Kevin Yoder in 2018 in Kansas’ 3rd District.

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