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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post
 

Just gonna leave this here:

 

getthefuckouttahere....?!

 

wow.

post #602 of 634
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
 

Uncontrollable rage ..... rising.

 

See, for me it's just more cynicism at this whole farce.  But yesterday was still a pretty good day.

post #603 of 634
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Which is the milquetoast, privileged interpretation of it. Clinton had far more enthusiasm in minority communities, in LGBT communities, in latino communities, in suburban communities. That's why she had millions more votes in the primary, and its why she had millions more votes in the general election. 

But the only perspective afforded on the whole thing is generally that of white guys on the internet. Its infuriating. Just because you never saw any of this doesn't mean it didn't exist.


If appealing to certain specific demographics isn't enough to win an election, and you're not any good at generating enthusiasm for your message beyond those demographics, and as a result you lose and everyone ends up worse off, then frankly this kind of chest beating and finger pointing doesn't count for a whole lot.

 

The bottom line is you have to go out and win people's votes, to generate widespread enthusiasm and get people unified and excited. You can't just fall back on the idea that people in some way owe you votes on principle and get angry when they don't act like they were supposed to.

 

Even if Clinton had eked out a win, I get the feeling sooner or later the fact would have to be contended with that that particular 90's/00's-brand of watered down centrist liberalism isn't doing it for enough people anymore.

 

I'm hardly an ideologue, I was hugely skeptical of both Sanders and Corbyn. But from looking at where the wind has been blowing in the west, right now if I had to pick which side seems more likely to represent a vital future for left-of-centre politics, I wouldn't be looking at the Clintonites.

post #604 of 634

Is that Donna 

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Originally Posted by mondguy View Post
 

Just gonna leave this here:

 

 

That's in Trump Tower, isn't it?  Looks like someone blurred the name out above the elevator.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Dems took control of the Washington State Senate tonight.  They now have full control of the West Coast, and collaboration between California, Oregon and Washington is on the table:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/washington-state-west-politics-democrats.html

 

 

CALIFORNIA JUST WANTS OUR WATER!  LIKE THE ALIENS IN 'V'!!!!!!

post #605 of 634
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
 

 

I'm hardly an ideologue, I was hugely skeptical of both Sanders and Corbyn. But from looking at where the wind has been blowing in the west, right now if I had to pick which side seems more likely to represent a vital future for left-of-centre politics, I wouldn't be looking at the Clintonites.

 

 

Sure, but if Biden gears up for 2020 as a third-term Obama deal, and Sanders wants to challenge him.

 

What's gonna happens when the left-of-center finds out that most of this country really is closer to the center? Go quietly into the night? Accept the reality of the moderate middle?

I somewhat doubt that, and it is stressing me out.

post #606 of 634
That is indeed Donna. The original photo is tagged Fox News, so it might be their lobby (just as bad).
post #607 of 634

Where's Clarke's flair? I thought he needed his flair to survive! Still has that stupid hat, though.

post #608 of 634
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
 


If appealing to certain specific demographics isn't enough to win an election, and you're not any good at generating enthusiasm for your message beyond those demographics, and as a result you lose and everyone ends up worse off, then frankly this kind of chest beating and finger pointing doesn't count for a whole lot.

 

The bottom line is you have to go out and win people's votes, to generate widespread enthusiasm and get people unified and excited. You can't just fall back on the idea that people in some way owe you votes on principle and get angry when they don't act like they were supposed to.

 

Even if Clinton had eked out a win, I get the feeling sooner or later the fact would have to be contended with that that particular 90's/00's-brand of watered down centrist liberalism isn't doing it for enough people anymore.

 

I'm hardly an ideologue, I was hugely skeptical of both Sanders and Corbyn. But from looking at where the wind has been blowing in the west, right now if I had to pick which side seems more likely to represent a vital future for left-of-centre politics, I wouldn't be looking at the Clintonites.

 

It wasn't until the third paragraph of this post that I realized it was criticizing Clinton, and not Sanders.

post #609 of 634
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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber View Post

 

CALIFORNIA JUST WANTS OUR WATER!  LIKE THE ALIENS IN 'V'!!!!!!

True. Also, as I understand it, Washingtonians taste better, too.

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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post

True. Also, as I understand it, Washingtonians taste better, too.

 



Um, thanks?
post #612 of 634

I just read that Donna Brazile is scheduled to be on Real Time w/Bill Maher tomorrow night.

 

This is gonna be....fun?

post #613 of 634

The mayoral race in Albuquerque went blue in a big way:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-grab-albuquerque-mayoral-seat-back-from-gop-in-blowout/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+New+Content+(Feed)&utm_content=5a0be48a04d3015aade5abfd&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

 

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Democrats wrested control of New Mexico's largest city from the GOP on Tuesday as Democratic New Mexico State Auditor Tim Keller easily won a race to become Albuquerque's next mayor.

 

According to unofficial results, Keller beat Republican Albuquerque City Councilor Dan Lewis with 62 percent of the vote compared to 38 percent – results CBS Albuquerque affiliate KRQE called "a blowout" -- in a race that centered on the city's raising crime rates and its struggling economy.

 

The election came a week after Democrats won governorships and legislative seats in Virginia and New Jersey and took mayoral seats in places such as Helena, Montana.

 

Keller told a packed room at Albuquerque's historic Andaluz Hotel his victory was a rejection of fear and "language that divided us" - a veiled jab at President Trump.

 

"We embraced inclusion. We embraced unity," said Keller, who will replace GOP Albuquerque Mayor Richard Berry, who opted not to seek re-election.

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The party chair of the Florida Democratic Party has stepped down and apologized after six women complained of inappropriate comments and sexual advances:

 

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/11/16/florida-democratic-party-chair-apologizes-after-6-women-complain-of-demeaning-behavior-118364

 

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Six former Florida Democratic Party staffers and consultants say that current party Chairman Stephen Bittel has created an unprofessional workplace environment for women that includes persistent inappropriate comments, leering at young women and even inviting them on his private jet.

 

The women, who were reached independently by POLITICO and insisted on anonymity out of fear for their jobs, said Bittel never inappropriately touched or threatened them. But he made them feel so uneasy that they didn’t want to be alone with him due to his body language, suggestive remarks and even the breast-shaped stress squeeze-ball he has been known to keep on his desk. 

 

Depending on the circumstance and the person discussing Bittel, they said he would make references about women cooking dinner, showing their breasts, their age, whether they wanted to ride on his plane, come to his hotel room or if they thought he was attractive.

 

“There was a lot of boob stuff in his office,” said a woman who was a fundraiser years ago and had to interact with him. “I was told by other women not to go into his bathroom. I was warned.”

In a written statement, a spokesman for Bittel didn’t dispute the women’s accounts and acknowledged he had the breast-shaped stress balls. But, he said, they were a gift “from a former female general counsel of his company years ago as a joke for his birthday. He keeps them in a drawer with other gag gifts.”

 

Bittel also apologized. 

 

“Every person, regardless of their gender, race, age or sexuality should be treated with respect and valued for their hard work and contributions to our community and if any of my comments or actions did not reflect that belief I am deeply sorry,” Bittel said. “I have much to learn, but my goal is and has always been to make sure every member of our party has a safe environment in which to succeed. It seems I’ve not been successful in that goal, and I will do better."

post #615 of 634

Another apology that's all about the apologizer and barely mentions the people he hurt.

post #616 of 634

Don't apologies have to be about what you did, in order to be apologies?  Because no one wants one of those "I'm sorry if you felt that way," type of things either.

post #617 of 634

Apologies should focus on the apologizer's responsibility but acknowledge, unequivocally, the offended party's wounds and primacy.

 

"If any of my actions" is bullshit language. It's equivocation. 

post #618 of 634

What the hell is this?

 

https://articles.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/11/sitting_supreme_court_justice.amp

 

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Ohio Supreme Court Justice Bill O'Neill, a Democratic candidate for governor, apparently trying to head off any criticisms from his opponents, revealed what he says are his sexual escapades over the years on a Facebook post.

 

A post on O'Neill's official Facebook said he was speaking up "on behalf of all heterosexual males" after allegations against Democratic U.S. Sen. Al Franken came to light Thursday. O'Neill, a Chagrin Falls native, said he had been "sexually intimate" with "approximately 50 very attractive females." 

 

post #619 of 634

that's definitely a tactic to take...

post #620 of 634

How bizarre. 

post #621 of 634

Well, that dude ain't winning the primary for Governor now.

post #622 of 634

Ohio Democratic party chair David Pepper has weighed in:

 

https://twitter.com/DavidPepper/status/931586387421343744

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O'Neill's post was gross dickswinging disguised as progressivism.

post #624 of 634

O'Neil's spokesman got the hell out of dodge:

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360933-spokesman-for-ohio-justice-who-bragged-about-sex-history-resigns

 

I don't see staffers backing away from Roy Moore.

post #625 of 634
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

O'Neill's post was gross dickswinging disguised as progressivism.

 

It's not even really trying to disguise the dickswinging.  Which makes me kind of like it, as far as rock-stupid, unsolicited fuck-ups go.

post #626 of 634

"Its true. I have been plowing top shelf trim from on high this entire time. I take full responsibility for my raw sexual magnetism."

I agree with Schwartz, that's hilarious. Until we invariably discover that a not insignificant percentage of these hookups were problematic in one way or another, because honestly why the fuck else would he be throwing that out there?

post #627 of 634
Oh yeah, there must be something in there he’s trying to get ahead of.
post #628 of 634

Or maybe he just has designs on running against Trump in 2020.

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At this point, any candidate from either party is going to have been an absolute choir boy, altar boy, cub scott, boy scott, or any variation thereof in order to not have something "inappropiate" come out from their past.  

post #630 of 634
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
 

At this point, any candidate from either party is going to have been an absolute choir boy, altar boy, cub scott, boy scott, or any variation thereof in order to not have something "inappropiate" come out from their past.  

 

Maybe we should elect some women.

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NAH.

 

post #631 of 634
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
 

At this point, any candidate from either party is going to have been an absolute choir boy, altar boy, cub scott, boy scott, or any variation thereof in order to not have something "inappropiate" come out from their past.  


But to be clear, only for the Democrats.

 

Republicans have already been handed their talking point for candidates with inappropriate behavior short of attempted rape of a minor:  "Hey, it's not like he's Roy Moore!"

 

But seriously:  Totally willing to bet that we hear "This is not a Roy Moore situation" at least once during the 2018 campaign season.

post #632 of 634

The Dems definitely have some cleaning up to do:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/draft-court-docs-congressman-accused-of-conspiracy-false-statements/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=45007705

 

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Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pennsylvania, is suspected of wrongdoing in the FBI's investigation into payments his campaign allegedly made to his opponent in 2012 to encourage him to drop out of the race, according to an approved search warrant application filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. 

 

Two political consultants have already been charged in the campaign finance probe involving Brady's reelection campaign, but the recently unsealed search warrant application appears to be the first time Brady himself is mentioned as suspected of criminal wrongdoing in the probe. Federal prosecutors last month said Kenneth Smukler and Donald Jones planned a scheme for the Brady campaign to make an illicit $90,0000 campaign donation to Jimmie Moore, intended to pay down campaign debt. 

 

Now, FBI special agent Jonathan Szeliga says in the search warrant application obtained by CBS News he has "probable cause to believe that Kenneth Smukler, Robert Brady, Donald "D.A." Jones, Jimmie Moore, and Carolyn Cavaness and others known and unknown have committed violations," involving conspiracy, false statements, and causing false campaign contribution reports, and violations related to limits on campaign contributions and expenditures. The search warrant is for all AOL accounts associated with Brady's email account, "bobcongress@aol.com," and Brady's email is listed as the target. The search warrant application is signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Carol Sandra Moore Wells.

post #633 of 634

Good article about how the Pod Save America/Crooked Media guys may have figured out how to create "talk radio for the left" without actually doing that: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/magazine/the-voices-in-blue-americas-head.html

post #634 of 634

It's their clever approach to their sponsors that keeps me coming back. 

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