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post #301 of 324

I didn't say the title should be stripped from him.  Just that he gave a very unimpressive performance.

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post #303 of 324
Some Indy natives at my SB party were saying that Peyton had a rep for being particularly indiscreet with his infidelity, while we're character assassinating.
post #304 of 324
Thread Starter 

Yeah, the Saints Super Bowl walk-off was largely forgotten, but mostly because the story of Brees and the Saints winning it all was such a huger story in the national spotlight. From Katrina to SB Champions in four years.. who's gonna pay attention to the losing QB walking off the field, even if it was Peyton Manning?

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Yeah, the Saints Super Bowl walk-off was largely forgotten, but mostly because the story of Brees and the Saints winning it all was such a huger story in the national spotlight. From Katrina to SB Champions in four years.. who's gonna pay attention to the losing QB walking off the field, even if it was Peyton Manning?

There were several articles.

 

They just all happen to be forgotten at this point because, ultimately, who cares?

post #306 of 324
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There were several articles.

 

They just all happen to be forgotten at this point because, ultimately, who cares?

 

And people are going to forget about this Cam Newton thing pretty soon as well.  Shit blows over, and this was a pretty trivial thing in the grand scheme of football.

 

Fact is, this is probably the best thing that could have happened to Cam Newton.  You learn more from your failures than your successes, and he should have learned quite a bit in Sunday's game.  He'll have a superbowl ring or two before his career ends, I'm sure of it.

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And people are going to forget about this Cam Newton thing pretty soon as well.  Shit blows over, and this was a pretty trivial thing in the grand scheme of football.

 

Fact is, this is probably the best thing that could have happened to Cam Newton.  You learn more from your failures than your successes, and he should have learned quite a bit in Sunday's game.  He'll have a superbowl ring or two before his career ends, I'm sure of it.

Yeah, this will be discussed during the 30 for 30 on his career for maybe two minutes.

post #308 of 324

His pouting will be forgotten quickly, but I'm not sure that non-effort on the fumble will be. I mean the media will move on, but other players, especially his own teammates, are going to see that film and it's hard to imagine they'll be thinking, "That's leadership!"

 

Cam's going to hear about that play on the field a LOT next year. Will he ignore the jeers and heckling and fully focus on every play? Or will he have rabbit ears and be easily rattled every game that starts out rough? Will his teammates all be in control enough to avoid dropping that bomb in the middle of an otherwise normal argument?

 

The Super Bowl loser historically has a hard time maintaining their level the following year. With as bad a performance as Cam, his entire offense and Ron Rivera all put in, I could easily see a slow start next year causing them to implode.
 

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Some Indy natives at my SB party were saying that Peyton had a rep for being particularly indiscreet with his infidelity, while we're character assassinating.

Are you defending him?

post #310 of 324

They were going over the game on Inside the NFL, and they played the portion where Cotchery did/didn't catch the ball. After they ruled it incomplete from viewing the replay, Rivera asked the ref why, and he said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the decision that it wasn't a catch. Then Rivera said, if you had originally called it a catch, would replay have overturned it? The ref said "No". Wut.

post #311 of 324
It meant there wasn't definitive visual evidence to determine that it was or wasn't a catch. When that happens, they default to what was called on the field.

It is the difference between "The call in the field is confirmed." (Meaning visual evidence is definitive that the initial call was accurate) and "The call on the field stands." (Meaning there isn't enough to confirm or overturn the initial call).

The visual evidence has to be absolute to overturn the call on the field.
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It meant there wasn't definitive visual evidence to determine that it was or wasn't a catch. When that happens, they default to what was called on the field.

It is the difference between "The call in the field is confirmed." (Meaning visual evidence is definitive that the initial call was accurate) and "The call on the field stands." (Meaning there isn't enough to confirm or overturn the initial call).

The visual evidence has to be absolute to overturn the call on the field.

 

Wait...did you leave the room during the replays?

 

Because... that was a fucking catch.

post #313 of 324

Rivera's point was, no matter what you would have called on the field (catch or no catch), you're saying the replay was inconclusive. Which then begs the question, why continue to use replay to determine if something is a catch? Just use it to make sure the guy was in or out of bounds and move on. If they can't get the rule straight on what's a catch (if it never hits the ground, it's not a catch?), then stop using replay to "help" and let them call it on the field and move on.

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Because... that was a fucking catch.

 

Your mom's a catch.

 

Wait, I did that wrong.

post #315 of 324

No, I watched the replay carefully.  Argued it with my family (bunch of Carolina homers like you).  Since I saw the ball move right after his arm (with the ball) left the ground, I couldn't conclusively say that the ground didn't cause the wobble.  So I said they'd walk out and say The Call Stands.  Which is exactly what they did.

 

You act like it matters, Tzu.  Like Cam wouldn't have been sacked for a 9 yard loss on the ensuing first down anyway, leading to an eventual punt.  You got pantsed, son.  Cam told Von Miller if he didn't like Cam dancing, then don't let CAM in the endzone.

 

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I think that kind of mind fuckery from the refs did matter.  Right or wrong, good or bad, mature or immature that shit got to Newton and opened a psychological hole the Denver defense rightfully exploited the hell out of.

 

That call gets overturned I bet you see a different outcome from that game.


Also, my involvement beyond being happy for my son's excitement at HIS team being in the Super Bowl ended when the Skins lost.  I got no love for the Panthers and geography alone doesn't sway me.  I grew up in the ATL, the city where Everyone is a Fan of Somewhere Else.  Give me the Lakers, the Athletics, the Redskins, the Avalanche, Notre Dame...

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Are you defending him?

I don't care for Manning, just acknowledging that secondhand gossip is what it is. The only time I'll actually defend him is if someone says his SNL gig wasn't better than it had a right to be.
post #318 of 324

I don't know, Tzu.  That pass was EARLY in the game.  There was plenty of time, including halftime, without much of a score deficit to overcome.  I bet he was affected more by the actual drops his receivers had (and had) than he was a replay call from early in the second quarter.  And if he was...champions should overcome that shit.  The Broncos overcame two turnovers of their own.

 

I spent the entire game (up until the turnover with 4 minutes to go) fully expecting the Panthers to get it together and go score.  But they NEVER did.  That isn't on the refs or any call.  Hell, dumbass Aqib Talib had a Personal Foul on an incomplete 3rd and long that gave Carolina a fresh set of downs early in the game.

 

I do feel bad for your boy, though.  Kind of heartbreaking.  My nephew was the same way.  Could be worse though.  He could be a Skins fan.

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Disgusting act by Payton and the continued assault on her character throughout the years is just as bad.

Reading a lot of defenders of Payton... disgusting as well.

But hey, he's rich, famous and used to throw the football really well. .. so he's a God in today's world.

I tend to avoid the "race" being an issue arguments and accusations but if this was RG3 in college and he did it to a white trainer... The GOP would be talking about it during their debates.
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I'm pretty disheartened by it all. I knew there was some kind of altercation between Manning and Naughright, but like many I was hoping it was just a case of a rich, entitled, immature college asshole just being a rich, entitled, immature college asshole.

 

But, no. The fact that this examination table incident took place after a prior incident, and the fact that both Peyton and Archie were involved in a smear campaign that has ruined a woman's career is deplorable. Granted, there are three sides to every story, and the documents that just came out are from her side of the legal battle, but still...

 

I need to decide what's to be done with the Manning jersey on my wall from my first game at Mile High. Shit.

 

Is it unreasonable to hope that he's grown up since then, and will somehow make amends, now that his career is over?

post #322 of 324
What is this prior incident. Is that the one that was redacted?
post #323 of 324

Yeah, there's some undisclosed incident between the two of them which lead to tension, which was exasperated by the examining room incident. Manning was apparently pretty antagonistic towards this woman through college. Probably started as a macho, misogynistic thing (women in the locker room and all that) which was taken way too far and the Manning family needed to bury her to keep Peyton's inevitable career in the NFL safe.

 

Manning was kind of a notorious dumbfuck in college.

post #324 of 324
Probably came down to his entitlement and that she didn't treat him like the crowned prince he thought he was.
The entire incident feels like Manning trying to degrade her in the worst way possible. Running his sweaty junk on her face as a "Fuck you".
Shit like that is unfortunately common place in the locker room. Even in HS football I remember guys wiping the sweat off their ass with other guys chin straps. One guy even peed over another guy in the shower and they referred to dude as "pee on" for the rest of High School. Interesting enough, the guy who peed on the other guy is now an assistant varsity coach at my old HS.
Don't get me started on the guys who used to spray Icey Hot on other dudes junk.
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