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post #51 of 94
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A new Carpenter soundtrack isn't going to all of a sudden make Michael Meyers scary again.

At what point does Michael Myers become supernatural?  I mean, he lived a life as a child before he was sent to the insane asylum, right?  Everyone seemed pretty shocked at what happened at the beginning of the first movie, so he couldn't have just been born evil.  He never officially died, so you can't just say he is zombie or something like Jason or Freddy.

 

Then he stared at a wall for at least a decade...but he had to eat right?  Like, if they gave him Ding Dongs or Peanut Butter Cups, would he have eaten them?  Does he have a favorite food?  I don't think there was ever any indication he was force fed through an IV or anything.  Would they give him food, leave him alone and come back and it was gone...or would he have eaten it silently in front of the doctors.  Also, if he eats, then he must have to use the bathroom, right?  Would he use the facilities like a normal person or would he just crap himself?  If the latter, couldn't you tell when he was near because he would just smell terrible all the time?

 

Does he work out?  Sitting in silence plotting murders seems like a pretty sedentary lifestyle choice.  Does being evil burn more calories or does he just have a high metabolism?  He seems like he is in pretty great shape.  No gut or anything.

 

Was he style conscious?  I mean, how many movies are there and he never has a beard or long hair(not counting Zombie's movies).  If he is shaving his face and cutting his hair, he must be somewhat concerned about what he looked like on the off chance that a victim or a family member ripped off his mask before continuing to chase them.

post #52 of 94

It's exciting to see Carpenter so active again but Halloween is a franchise I've lost all interest in. I feel the same way about the Alien franchise at this point, including Prometheus 2/ Alien Paradise Lost and Blomkamp's Aliens 2/ Alien 3 retcon. 

 

Still, that soundtrack is going to kill (no pun intended). Thank God for Spotify. 

post #53 of 94

I'd be more interested in the idea that Michael Myers was caught decades ago, reformed, given a fresh start in another state, and starts getting letters or calls which drive him over the edge.  So basically, Psycho II, but it could work with the right actor and script.  At least when the theme kicks in it would make a great moment.

post #54 of 94
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I'd be more interested in the idea that Michael Myers was caught decades ago, reformed, given a fresh start in another state, and starts getting letters or calls which drive him over the edge.  So basically, Psycho II, but it could work with the right actor and script.  At least when the theme kicks in it would make a great moment.


I think that would humanize The Shape too much.  It would be a fresh take for the franchise, though, that's for sure.

 

My personal pitch would be to borrow a bit from the original MY BLOODY VALENTINE.  Michael, as a child, murders his sister.  He is sent away for many years, but when he's eighteen and on the eve of Halloween, he escapes, goes back to Haddonfield, and kills a bunch of kids.

 

Then he disappears.  For 10, 15 years.  Nobody knows what happened to him, he's never been found or seen again, but each year his presence hangs over Halloween night.  That's basically your prologue.

 

The bulk of the main story would be about a new group of kids and teens (no Laurie Strode) of several age brackets as they take part in the various rituals of Halloween.  Some are trick-or-treating, some are at a dance, some might be babysitting.  Weird things start to happen in town - people being stalked, vanishing, etc.  Gradually the groups of kids and teens start intersecting as it becomes apparent that Michael Myers might have come home once again.  Mayhem then ensues.  You could really play up the mystery and paranoia elements; is it really Michael Myers, or is something else going on?

post #55 of 94

I think it's just going to be the same tired shit, albeit crafted a little better than the latter sequels. And while H20's ace in the hole was Jamie Lee Curtis, this new one will likely be Carpenter's score (assuming he sticks around) and...probably not much else. 

post #56 of 94
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I think it's just going to be the same tired shit, albeit crafted a little better than the latter sequels. And while H20's ace in the hole was Jamie Lee Curtis, this new one will likely be Carpenter's score (assuming he sticks around) and...probably not much else. 

It's possible, perhaps even probable, that a new HALLOWEEN movie could suck.  However, I don't see the harm in them at least trying.  Nothing can tarnish the original film (if it didn't happen with RESURRECTION or the Zombie duo, it's not ever going to happen), so I say let's see if they get an interesting director for this before we totally write it off.

post #57 of 94
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It's possible, perhaps even probable, that a new HALLOWEEN movie could suck.  However, I don't see the harm in them at least trying.  Nothing can tarnish the original film (if it didn't happen with RESURRECTION or the Zombie duo, it's not ever going to happen), so I say let's see if they get an interesting director for this before we totally write it off.

It's a fair point but the whole franchise just feels so stale at this point. I kept hearing how "interesting" Halloween II (the Zombie version was) because of all the bat shit choices he made. I actually liked Zombie as a director but I was bored out of my mind watching that thing. If we're at the point in the franchise where even saying "Fuck it" and tossing whatever creative whims on screen that crosses the director's mind doesn't yield at least an interesting failure, maybe it's time to hang it up.

post #58 of 94
If this was a remake of HALLOWEEN III, I'd be more excited.
post #59 of 94
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If this was a remake of HALLOWEEN III, I'd be more excited.

 

With YouTube and smart phones, a remake of Halloween III could be really interesting.

 

Although I'd want a practical explanation as to how they smuggle a piece of fucking Stonehenge into the United States and why it isn't major news in the first place. 

post #60 of 94

Just wanted to express more love for PRINCE OF DARKNESS. The final act of the film suffers from the limited budget, but it's easy to forgive thanks to excellent ideas at play and wonderfully doomed mood already set up. The tachyon-fueled visions were scary as fuck and near-genius tools to up the tension. Plus we got more Dennis Dun! 

 

But seriously. Carpenter making a movie in 1987, the height of Reagan conservatism and the reign of the Moral Majority, saying that organized religion was essentially a front to keep the anti-god bottled up and stored away - as well as related implications for the nature of reality and the universe - was ahead of its time. It's a seamless evolutionary step in horror from Lovecraftian tales of the true nature of reality.

post #61 of 94

Been reading John Kenneth Muir's The Films of John Carpenter and it's really in-depth and entertaining. It came out in 2000 so it misses Ghosts of Mars and The Ward, but concluding with Vampires Muir doesn't have much different to say than he would've with those latter two.

 

Has comments from critics at the time of release, then synopsis then commentary for every film Carpenter has been involved with, with most attention to those he directed. The sections on Halloween and The Thing are especially comprehensive. He weaves in other critic analysis, usually in order to refute them, such as Michael being a manifestation of Laurie's ID and The Thing being a metaphor for the AIDs epidemic among gay men in the early '80s. Fascinating stuff.

 

I'd also highly recommend Jonathan Lethem's Deep Focus Series book-length dissection of The Live.

post #62 of 94

Gotta be honest... I never cared for Big Trouble in Little China.

post #63 of 94
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Gotta be honest... I never cared for Big Trouble in Little China.

 

Crazy talk!

 

post #64 of 94
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Gotta be honest... I never cared for Big Trouble in Little China.


dafuq?

 

Also been reading Harlen Ellison's Watching, his collection of film criticism, and he goes to bat for Big Trouble in Little China.

 

But he also hated 2001, Star Wars, Gremlins and Spaceballs, so in the immortal words of MichaelM, YMMV.

post #65 of 94
I'm listening to "Superstitious" right now, and I'll be damned if every time it doesn't remind me of The Thing every time.
post #66 of 94
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Gotta be honest... I never cared for Big Trouble in Little China.

post #67 of 94

My bug addled brain interposed "The JOHN CARTER Appreciation Thread" into my Chud feed. I clicked in, and I'm like "Sure, BTiLC is a classic, but why is everyone talking about it here?".

 

Sorry. On topic, I hit up IMDB, and the JC films I have not seen all the way through are Christine, Starman, Memoirs of an Invisible Man, and Vampires.

 

I'll tackle those in some sort of order eventually, though the idea of sitting through 2 hours of Chevy Chase wrapped in a bluescreen burka does not excite me.

post #68 of 94
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Sorry. On topic, I hit up IMDB, and the JC films I have not seen all the way through are Christine, Starman, Memoirs of an Invisible Man, and Vampires.

 

I'll tackle those in some sort of order eventually, though the idea of sitting through 2 hours of Chevy Chase wrapped in a bluescreen burka does not excite me.

STARMAN is absolutely wonderful, Carpenter's most warm and humane film.  CHRISTINE is one of the better King adaptations.  MEMOIRS has some incredible effects work and is worth seeing just for all that stuff.  VAMPIRES has a following, but it's not great.

 

Let us know your thoughts once you've seen them!

post #69 of 94
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Where does that GIF come from?
post #70 of 94
Head of State, a Chris Rock movie I've never seen, I just love the gif.

I have a somewhat nostalgic affinity for Memoirs of Invisible Man. It's one of the the least John Carpenter feeling John Carpenter films in his CV (he was a last minute hired gun), but I like Chase's performance and Sam Neil's, and it's a breezy sci-fi / comedy / adventure lark. It also helps that The Invisible Man was the first H.G. Wells book I ever read, after seeing the James Whale film - which was coincidentally the first James Whale film I ever saw - and I've had a love of that particular conceit ever since. Whale's film is, at this moment, the only great film about an invisible man, but I think Carpenter's film is probably the only genuinely watchable one after it.*






*Yes, I totally discount Hollow Man. It has two good things about it: the Superman joke and Bacon's dick.
post #71 of 94

VAMPIRES means well, and has an interesting premise (thanks to the source material), but the limited budget and latter day Carpenter result in something....not good.

post #72 of 94
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VAMPIRES means well, and has an interesting premise (thanks to the source material), but the limited budget and latter day Carpenter result in something....not good.

 

 

It's worse than not good...it has moments of greatness in it, mostly anything involving James Woods. Also individual scenes like the head vampire crawling along the side and roof of a moving freight car that really work. 


By the end, when vampires are getting killed and having Sparklers go off in their pants, the movie's just fallen apart. 

post #73 of 94
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I gotta see Hard of State. 

post #74 of 94

From what I understand, you're already looking at what is largely considered the best scene in the film: the introduction of Bernie Mac's character.

post #75 of 94

GREAT interviews of both John Carpenter and Joe Dante on Marc Maron's podcast. Must listens. 

post #76 of 94

So John Carpenter slagged Rob Zombie during an interview.

 

I pretty much agree with his beefs about Zombie's remake. The most underrated aspect of the story is Carpenter's quote, and I'm paraphrasing: "I was excited to see a channel do a retrospective for "Halloween," until I saw they had also done a retrospective of "Caddyshack."

post #77 of 94

Forgive me if this has been posted in another thread but:

 

post #78 of 94

A piece about the church from In the Mouth of Madness

 

Cathedraltown rejoices as church opens its doors after nearly a decade


After nearly a decade of seeing the towering Slovak Cathedral of Transfiguration in Markham closed to the public, local resident Mayrose

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Gregorios couldn’t believe it when she heard the news from two men doing cleanup work on the property one morning: the church would be open for weekend mass.

 

For as long as Gregorios had lived in Cathedraltown, a quiet subdivision at the junction of Woodbine Ave., and Highway 404, whose name was inspired by the adjacent European-style cathedral, the empty building had cast a dark shadow on the community. The last service in the cathedral, which broke ground more than three decades ago, took place in 2006.

 

post #79 of 94
Thread Starter 

Oh how I wish I could go...

 

post #80 of 94

Along with the new tour Carpenter's embarking on, he's got a new album coming up, too, featuring new performances of some of his classic movie themes...

 

 

In a related vein, his score for CHRISTINE is getting a vinyl rerelease on September 29th...

 

 

I don't know how widely available the "Anthology" album will be (it seems it can only be preordered on the record company's website at the moment), but the CHRISTINE album should be available pretty much anywhere that sells vinyl.

 

As somebody who loves Carpenter, and has recently been bitten by the vinyl bug, I'm totally getting both.

post #81 of 94

Just got my ticket to see JC at the Hollywood Palladium on October 31st!

 

Can't wait!

post #82 of 94

Seems like all of the services have the new Anthology album. It's on Spotify and I'm getting ready to fire it up now.

post #83 of 94

Yep.  Been listening to it all morning.  Now I want to watch In the Mouth of Madness again.

post #84 of 94
The EFNY theme is life.
post #85 of 94
I have the Anthology ordered for vinyl.

I'm listening to the digital copy now.

This is great.
post #86 of 94

There are a lot of complete soundtracks on Apple Music.  I'm now into the synth heavy (aren't they all) Halloween 3 soundtrack.

post #87 of 94

I've never seen Vampires, and I've never had a desire to see it, but the theme is kick ass.

post #88 of 94
Vampires was better when I was 12.
post #89 of 94

Vampires was better when I read the book.

post #90 of 94
Vampires was better when I was a vampire.
post #91 of 94

I caught John Carpenter last year in Milwaukee, and it was such a cool experience.  My friend and I were a few seconds late, so the intro to the Escape from New York theme was starting as we were walking to our seats.  It was very exciting.

 

But I didn't plan on seeing him this year since it was on a Thursday, but I ended up winning free tickets.  I was surprised because I expected a pretty similar setlist from last year's tour, but he added pieces from Village of the DamnedStarmanBody Bags and Vampires.  Admittedly, I didn't recognize the music from Body Bags (I haven't seen that in years), but it was solid.  The Village of the Damned piece ("March of the Children") is underrated.

post #92 of 94

I saw him at the Palladium on Halloween. It was an awesome show. The only downside was when the dickheads standing next to me almost got into a fight. To be fair, the one piece of shit was wearing a Michael Myers mask and for some reason, he thought this meant he was allowed to elbow and push his way through the crowd when Carpenter played the Halloween theme. Evidently, he pushed/ elbowed the wrong person. The best part was when security came over. Incredibly, nobody was thrown out but the guy actually said "Fuck this, I can't go back to jail." That was good for a laugh. 

 

And there were some pretentious tweets that night, mostly along the lines of "Carpenter played a song from Body Bags. I was seriously the only one there that recognized it."

 

No, dickhead, you weren't.

 

Still, I couldn't think of a better way to spend Halloween. 


Edited by Mike J - 11/17/17 at 11:12pm
post #93 of 94
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I saw him at the Palladium on Halloween. It was an awesome show. The only downside was when the dickheads standing next to me almost got into a fight. To be fair, the one piece of shit was wearing a Michael Myers mask and for some reason, he thought this meant he was allowed to elbow and push his way through the crowd when Carpenter played the Halloween theme. Evidently, he pushed/ elbowed the wrong person. The best part was when security came over. Incredibly, nobody was thrown out but the guy actually said "Fuck this, I can't go back to jail." That was good for a laugh. 

 

And there were some pretentious tweets that night, mostly along the nights of "Carpenter played a song from Body Bags. I was seriously the only one there that recognized it."

 

No, dickhead, you weren't.

 

Still, I couldn't think of a better way to spend Halloween. 

 

Yeah, that would be on top of my list for Halloween plans, haha.  Very cool!

 

Unfortunately, I've seen many fights over the years at concerts.  Some are briefly entertaining, most are annoying.  Thankfully, no scary ones to report.  

post #94 of 94
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The Village of the Damned piece ("March of the Children") is underrated.

It is probably his most underrated. Nothing says "trudging towards inexorable doom" quite like Carpenter's March of the Children. Made sure to include it in my special apocalyptic movie music playslist that I had going on a loop for trick or treaters this last Halloween.

Never been to one of his concerts (very jealous, by the way) but as far as deep cuts go am curious if he ever does his theme from the video game Sentinel Returns, which is another winner.
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