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post #51 of 1931
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Massie is an average Right Tackle, off-field problems aside.

 

Still reeling over the Osweiler thing. Leaving a team that just got you a ring, and with a defense that could get you another while you're at the helm... to try a quick cash-grab with a QB-meat grinder of a team? Dude is not good enough to warrant that contract, and I bet dollars to donuts he makes it through two of those four years. Maybe he's just butt hurt that he got benched when Peyton came back.

Denver wasn't going to pay him 18 million a year. Unless it's a player fleeing Cleveland, it's ALWAYS about the money.

post #52 of 1931

Not sure why anyone would want to play RB in the NFL anymore.  They get nothing in the FA market and take huge amounts of punishment.  Better off switching to another position.

post #53 of 1931
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Texans are winning the offseason right now, for whatever that's worth.

 

 

Usually, not much. 

post #54 of 1931

Matt Forte to the Jets, to replace Chris Ivory who lost his mind went to the Jaguars.

post #55 of 1931
D.T., Didn't Ryan Fitzpatrick play for Gary Kubiak in...Houston? Maybe he will go to...Denver.
post #56 of 1931

Word is Fitzy is looking for the same kind of money Osweiler got. He likely won't get it, but all it takes is one team.

post #57 of 1931

Elway won't go after Fitzpatrick for anything more than a stop-gap contract, IF he went after him at all.

post #58 of 1931

To return to earlier comments, I don't actually think BO'B will be fired.  I do think Houston is looking at Osweiler through some fairly rose-colored glasses.  This is a young QB that Denver benched for a decrepit old has-been during the most important part of their season.  And while their defense won for Manning in the playoffs, it also won for Osweiler in his seven starts.  He may be good.  He may be great.  But the Broncos (and Elway) watched him play there for years, and were content to let him walk.  That would fill me with trepidation were I a Houston fan.  Matt Flynn looms large here.

post #59 of 1931
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To return to earlier comments, I don't actually think BO'B will be fired.  I do think Houston is looking at Osweiler through some fairly rose-colored glasses.  This is a young QB that Denver benched for a decrepit old has-been during the most important part of their season.  And while their defense won for Manning in the playoffs, it also won for Osweiler in his seven starts.  He may be good.  He may be great.  But the Broncos (and Elway) watched him play there for years, and were content to let him walk.  That would fill me with trepidation were I a Houston fan.  Matt Flynn looms large here.

The word coming out of Denver (and what I have read elsewhere) is that they were absolutely NOT content to let him walk. They offered a contract similar to Houston's, but about $7 mil less in guaranteed money and a couple million less a year overall. If Denver was really expecting to lose him they would have had a contingency plan in place (something other than vague mentions of Kaepernick). This caught them totally flat footed because they had every intention of making Osweiler their next QB. Some local Denver guy was on Houston sports radio and basically said Elway is PISSED at Houston for sneaking Brock away from them.

 

Now you can disagree all you want on how successful he will be. I personally don't expect him to ever play up to his contract, but the reality is after a couple years Houston can get out of his contract without too much penalty, so it isn't long term crippling.

post #60 of 1931

Again, I think Brock's hubris got the better of him. He probably thinks himself hot shit for beating the Patriots, and was pissed when he was benched again for Manning.

 

Not that I blame him, but you have to pay your dues. Sorry you had to sit down while the team went with one of the best game managers in league history when they were in a tricky situation and a precarious Super Bowl appearance. But now that team wants you full-time, wants to pay you a fair amount, and you get that Super Bowl-winning defense backing you up. It's a no-fucking-brainer.

 

The kid isn't going to come out of this smelling like roses.

post #61 of 1931
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 But now that team wants you full-time, wants to pay you a fair amount, and you get that Super Bowl-winning defense backing you up. It's a no-fucking-brainer.

 

The kid isn't going to come out of this smelling like roses.

Did they though?  I heard reports that they really didn't rush to offer him a contract.  It could be because he was pouting for being benched and said to them he was out.

 

And as for that defense they have lost some key pieces.  And now they are losing the RB the should have been featuring all year.

post #62 of 1931
Rumor is that Denver has an eye on Kapernick, which, eh... There are worse choices.
post #63 of 1931
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Drew Magary ‏@drewmagary  3m3 minutes ago
What if everyone leaves the Browns? What if there are just no Browns
post #64 of 1931

The Browns are secretly relocating to every other NFL team.

post #65 of 1931
In breaking news. The Packers have signed no free agents.
More at 11.
post #66 of 1931
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In breaking news. Washington has signed no free agents either.
More at ??.

 

2nd year, and I still can't get used to this newfound measured approach to free agency. (I originally typed "sobriety," then realized that would have been inadvertently tacky, given our GM).

post #67 of 1931
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In breaking news. The Packers have signed no free agents.
More at 11.


And doesn't your coach hate that?  I think the Packers are missing out by not added a stud every few years.

post #68 of 1931
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And as for that defense they have lost some key pieces.  And now they are losing the RB the should have been featuring all year.

 

Shit happens when a team wins a Super Bowl. I eagerly await and simultaneously dread seeing the Cardinals win one in their current era. I know as soon as we do, all those dudes are going to want big money, and we'll probably lose Fitzgerald to retirement immediately after.

post #69 of 1931

Manziel waived. So long, Fuckstick!

post #70 of 1931

And the Broncos acquire Mark Sanchez.  Lol it'll be ugly in Denver if he's the guy.

post #71 of 1931

Nah, he has to be the back-up. HAS to be.

 

You don't pick up your new starting QB with a conditional draft pick. Elway's gotta have something in the oven, right? Right...?

post #72 of 1931
Not going to be surprised when the Browns sign Maziel again in two months.
post #73 of 1931

Whatever he does it will be a temporary measure.  Not much out there and since teams know they need a QB. they will ask for a lot. 

 

Best bet is to get a QB in the first and have him sit for a year.

 

And ESPN says Kaep WANTS to play in Cleveland?  He just wants the money.  He must think they will be so desperate for any decent QB he'll make super bank.

post #74 of 1931
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Whatever he does it will be a temporary measure.  Not much out there and since teams know they need a QB. they will ask for a lot. 

 

Best bet is to get a QB in the first and have him sit for a year.

 

And ESPN says Kaep WANTS to play in Cleveland?  He just wants the money.  He must think they will be so desperate for any decent QB he'll make super bank.

I think he'll be excited to play for Hue Jackson. We'll see how he feels in a few months when he realizes he has no O-line or receiving options.

post #75 of 1931
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Did they though?  I heard reports that they really didn't rush to offer him a contract.  It could be because he was pouting for being benched and said to them he was out.

 

And as for that defense they have lost some key pieces.  And now they are losing the RB the should have been featuring all year.

The basic timeline I was able to piece together seems to have the Broncos making an offer to him of 3 years, $45 million (never saw anything on the guaranteed money of that deal). Then the "legal tampering" phase began and it became apparent that Houston was serious and was going to make a much higher offer. Bidding war starts and Denver goes all the way up to 4 years, 60 million (30 guaranteed) and Elway makes the statement that they won't get into a bidding war. Houston makes their big time offer and the rest is history.

 

The storyline I keep hearing here in Houston is it is really a 2 year, $37 million deal. First year he is a $12 million cap hit. Second year he is a $19 mil hit. Then they can cut him with only $6 mil dead money in 2018, if they like. But if they don't, he's making $21 million in 2018. I would be VERY curious to hear what the GM Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien feel are appropriate numbers for him to justify continuing that contract in 2018 (though I have no idea what the cap limit will be then...could have raised enough that a $21 million dollar a year QB is no biggie).

 

I think what Denver didn't realize is how desperate Houston is for a QB. We've been looking at garbage (admittedly, garbage that Bill O'Brien managed to get a lot out of) for several years and even the owner, who is normally pretty silent on football matters, came out publicly and said this team will be getting a real QB this offseason. They were going to spend whatever it took for Osweiler. 

post #76 of 1931

Much like Jerry Jones/Tony Romo as exhibit A, though, paying a guy like he is Tom Brady...doesn't actually make him Tom Brady. 

 

Paying Bradford and Cousins and Osweiler All-Pro QB money shows how desperate the league is.  Which is ironic because the team with the Elite QB lost the Super Bowl to the team with the Elite Defense.

post #77 of 1931

Well, technically an average of $18 million per season makes Osweiler exactly middle of the pack as far as starting QB salaries in the league. It's just insane how much those guys get paid.

post #78 of 1931
BJ Raji to retire.
29 years old
post #79 of 1931

The concussion fears are real.

post #80 of 1931
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Much like Jerry Jones/Tony Romo as exhibit A, though, paying a guy like he is Tom Brady...doesn't actually make him Tom Brady. 

 

 

Tony Romo is a poor example, IMO he's pretty much done everything Dallas could've asked for. 

post #81 of 1931
Except for stay healthy and play football.
post #82 of 1931

Well, hot damn.

 

Cardinals just traded Jonathan Cooper and a 2nd rounder to New England for Chandler Jones. That defense just got even more scary. Just got to keep the kid away from windows, and we should be all set.

 

There's the big move we Cardinals fans were waiting for out of Steve Keim.

post #83 of 1931

...and the Broncos matched Miami's offer on CJ Anderson. This is a good day.

post #84 of 1931
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Well, hot damn.

 

Cardinals just traded Jonathan Cooper and a 2nd rounder to New England for Chandler Jones. That defense just got even more scary. Just got to keep the kid away from windows, and we should be all set.

 

There's the big move we Cardinals fans were waiting for out of Steve Keim.

 

Yowza. I don't know anything about Jonathon Cooper, but Chandler Jones is GOOD.

post #85 of 1931
Thread Starter 

Not upset anymore about not getting Malik Jackson, DT?

post #86 of 1931

I'm good now. Jones is expecting a big pay day next season, but for right now he's excellent talent on the cheap -- much better situation than going with someone like Malik or JPP. And if he produces... well, we can probably expect some cap space to free itself it up if we want to keep him.

 

I'm jazzed. Our defense is fucking stacked.

post #87 of 1931
D.T., This is...Hilarious! Yesterday Dolphins Director of Operations said "The 2016 Dolphins would kick the...A_ _ of the 2015 Team!" Today... C.J. Anderson Remains in Denver! Ha Ha! Woe DOO Tannebaum! Derrick Henry...1ST RD Pick Dolphins!
post #88 of 1931

I'm sure there are off the field issues the Pats are worried about with Jones as well.  I love their ability to get draft picks though.

post #89 of 1931
Thread Starter 
Further proof the Jaguars aren't sold on Luke Joeckel - today they signed away Kelvin Beachum from the Steelers with an eye on competing directly with Joeckel for the LT job.
post #90 of 1931
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Originally Posted by First Class 782 View Post

Except for stay healthy and play football.

Eh, injuries are disappointing but out of a player's hands. Romo has been good at providing production, toughness, and leadership when healthy.

There are better examples of disappointing QBs making wads of money - say, Cutler and Tannehill.
post #91 of 1931
I like Romo as much as the next guy, but his play style has always been rough and tumble. As he gets older, his swerve is going to atrophy. He will just get hurt more and more. But Dallas paid him like he was an ironman. When he plays, he is top eight. But he misses more games (a lot more) than other elite guys at his position. And that will only increase. Cutler and Tannehill also have very stupid contracts, and both are demonstrably worse than Romo. I'll admit that.
post #92 of 1931
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Further proof the Jaguars aren't sold on Luke Joeckel - today they signed away Kelvin Beachum from the Steelers with an eye on competing directly with Joeckel for the LT job.

Cletus, the slack-jawed Joeckel!

post #93 of 1931

Cardinals have made Evan Mathis an offer. If he accepts, I'm going to be inappropriately happy.

post #94 of 1931

We got Evan Mathis!

 

Pack it up kids, and start the 2017 NFL Thread. This season's Bowl is already in the bag.

post #95 of 1931
Oh memories. I remember when Vince Young said that with the Eagles.
post #96 of 1931

Bears just traded Martellus Bennett to the Patriots for a draft pick.  Actually they are swapping mid and late round picks as well so hopefully the Bears can get up to a 4th rounder.  Bennett can be a douche, but this really helps the Pats.  He still had  70+ catches with the Bears.  Those 2 TE sets will be tough to beat.

post #97 of 1931

The guy who bitched about not getting the ball while being the backup to Jason Witten, is now the backup to Rob Gronkowski. Makes sense.

post #98 of 1931

And the Bears get a 4th and give back a 6th.  Good deal considering they would have cut him otherwise.  And they save 5 million. 

post #99 of 1931
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post

Bears just traded Martellus Bennett to the Patriots for a draft pick.  Actually they are swapping mid and late round picks as well so hopefully the Bears can get up to a 4th rounder.  Bennett can be a douche, but this really helps the Pats.  He still had  70+ catches with the Bears.  Those 2 TE sets will be tough to beat.
That was with Cutler throwing him the ball, not Jimmy Garropolo.
post #100 of 1931
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The guy who bitched about not getting the ball while being the backup to Jason Witten, is now the backup to Rob Gronkowski. Makes sense.

Well, it wasn't that long ago the Pats were getting pretty good production out of both Gronkowski AND Aaron Hernandez. I'm guessing Bennett figures he can be the new Hernandez...minus the whole murder thing.

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