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I'm genuinely concerned about what happens with this phase because my girlfriend's step-sister is an actress who's worked with Joss multiple times.

 

I assume because you're afraid her name might come up and you don't want to see her embarrassed or something. 

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Can you give Eliza Dushku my number?

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Five by five, Overlord. 

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I assume because you're afraid her name might come up and you don't want to see her embarrassed or something. 


Exactly that.  I think people are going to start assuming any actress who worked with him more than once was screwing him.

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Exactly that.  I think people are going to start assuming any actress who worked with him more than once was screwing him.

 

This is partly what I'm talking about. Not even that deep down, the most "burn this motherfucker to the ground" part of me totally gets why she published the letter, but the bow wave is considerable and unfair to so many other people. She could have blasted the dude without releasing that and she would have been well within her rights and maybe kept other people safe in the process.

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Ba, ba, ba,
Ba, ba, ba,
Babay
Don't forget my numbah!
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You picked Eliza?  Not Carpenter?  Are you blind or stupid?

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Love is stronger than thundah!
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You picked Eliza?  

 

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Not Carpenter?  Are you blind or stupid?

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You picked Eliza?  Not Carpenter?  Are you blind or stupid?

 

I find myself agreeing with this note that I found stuck on a nameless person's computer.

 

 

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I had the Playboy that Charisma Carpenter was in, so technically, we dated for a while.
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I find myself agreeing with this note that I found stuck on a nameless person's computer.

 

 

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Guess I'll slip in and claim support for team Alyson Hannigan, suckers!

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Thread Starter 
And now we've come full circle. We might put this one to bed (or in another thread) and move on to the actual subject of the thread.
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Joss Whedon would have to be an extremely successful director to have a shot with either of them. Maybe not with bandcamp girl though.
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And now we've come full circle. We might put this one to bed (or in another thread) and move on to the actual subject of the thread.
 
Damnit. I'd just found a whole stack of sexy Summer Glau gifs that were going to improve all of our moods. 
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Guys, as much as I find many of the women in Whedon productions stunningly beautiful, perhaps this isn't the best context in which to be posting their photos.

 

~~~

 

I'm assuming Justice League is going to be a pile of shit at this point. My only hope is that it's entertainingly so. 

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And now we've come full circle. We might put this one to bed (or in another thread) and move on to the actual subject of the thread.

Agreed. Everyone who wants to sift through Whedon's dirty laundry like a finger-wagging scold should do it in the misogyny thread.
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It was fun while it lasted. I apologize for nothing!

So, will Whedon get the boot from the JL re shoots before the week is over? Will Snyder return? Will a third director stand up?
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"Ron Howard? Hello? Listen, we know you're busy with that star war thing..."
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Bret Ratner is squeezing himself into a pair of Superman underwear as we speak.

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It was fun while it lasted. I apologize for nothing!

So, will Whedon get the boot from the JL re shoots before the week is over? Will Snyder return? Will a third director stand up?

 

I also regret nothing either!

 

Oh and it will probably be Ratner or McG or *gulp* Ridley Scott.

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"Herschell Gordon Lewis? Listen, we understand you have some experience with editing half-complete disasters and piles of someone else's footage into a technically complete film? What's that, you're dead? Oh, sorry to hear it."
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I hear Joel Schumacher's free. 

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Anyway, I think this looks pretty good.
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it's gonna be great
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it's gonna be great

 

Like a refreshing glass of Granny's Peach Tea!

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Edited by Barry Woodward - 8/21/17 at 8:35pm
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This production is starting to look like an Armando Iannucci film, if Armando was a sadistic sociopath. I'm probably going to hell for this, but it even has an awful version of the "dead girl - live girl" joke (Snyder, Whedon respectively). I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being the most expensive motion picture ever made, without anybody involved realizing it.

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The publicity interviews are sure to be amazing. They won't want to put Whedon in a chair next to Gadot in case it starts any rumors, Snyder won't be allowed to speak in front of a camera in case he starts screaming how WB took his movie away from him, and Ben Affleck probably won't need the internet to add "The Sound Of SIlence" to his footage because he'll have evolved into naturally producing it through the pores of his skin. 

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No matter what really, I do still feel very sorry for Snyder. The shit he's going through ain't even remotely funny..
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The worst thing about it is that, if the rumors of him being fired are true, it wouldn't surprise me if he was using his work to help him get through the tragedy. 

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The publicity interviews are sure to be amazing. They won't want to put Whedon in a chair next to Gadot in case it starts any rumors, Snyder won't be allowed to speak in front of a camera in case he starts screaming how WB took his movie away from him, and Ben Affleck probably won't need the internet to add "The Sound Of SIlence" to his footage because he'll have evolved into naturally producing it through the pores of his skin. 

 

I get the humor, but didn't I read upthread that Whedon's not doing any press for this? And Snyder won't be, either. So it's cast only, or they'll get one of the producers to fill in for the press stuff the director would usually do.

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I'm glad you get the humor, MichaelM!

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Why not get Michael Shannon to do press.
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No press would have the balls to show.

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Why not get Michael Shannon to do press.

 

Oh god yes. His interviews for MOS were gold.

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I'm glad you get the humor, MichaelM!

But does he?
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You know who else cheated on his wife?

Jim Gordon.

Superhero sidekicking is murder on relationships.
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You know who else who had a beer and cheeted on his wife?

Jim Gordon.

Superhero sidekicking is murder on relationships.

 

fixed.

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I'm glad you get the humor, MichaelM!

But does he?

 

Don't make me go all literal and tedious on your ass, Lightning!

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"cheeted," not "cheated," Lightning.

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Just trying to re-rail us here. Honest.
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Who would you rather bang?

Henry Cavill or Ben Affleck?
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Cavill. Affleck's too old.
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Ageism!!!
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Only for guys. I'd totally sleep with Helen Mirren.
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I've kind of brought this up before, but it still baffles me how the Justice League lack a clear sense of definitive storylines, archnemesis or relationship between the creators and the public. 

 

For instance, the Avengers? The Kree-Skrull War springs to mind immediately, along with the Infinity Gauntlet being a massive storyline that affected the entire Marvel Universe. And in terms of creators we know Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were the orchestrators of all those early characters, and there are definitive runs from later creators like Roy Thomas and even Brian Michael Bendis.  

 

The X-Men? Dark Phoenix Saga, Days of Future Past, etc. And there's no denying Chris Claremont's stamp will always be felt on that property. 

 

Us deep cut comic fans know that Gardner Fox created not just the Justice League but 20 years earlier the original Flash (and returned to do the "Flash of Two Worlds" storyline that introduced the multiverse) and Justice Society. Yet there's been no attempt to play him up in the media, unlike Bob Kane back in 1989 with Batman.

 

And of course Kane and Stan Lee's celebrity led to controversy with Batman that resulted in Bill Finger finally getting credit and, in the case of The Avengers in 2012, debate over whether or not the movie should be boycotted because Kirby's credit is always downplayed. But no similar debate has arisen with the Justice League movie. And that's surprising because there are aspects that would seem to raise eyebrows.

 

The inclusion of Fourth World mythology, for instance, without paying any respect to Kirby. The fact that the Fourth World didn't even interact with the rest of the DCU that much until Paul Dini, with the Superman animated series, and Grant Morrison, with his run on JLA, positioned it and Darkseid as being integral. And although they're mostly going their own way with the story, Dan Jurgens never gets mentioned in relation to Doomsday or the story of Superman's death and return. 

 

Over at Marvel there's not just the Stan Lee cameos but little things like Ed Brubaker showing up in Winter Soldier. They actively encourage a kind of showmanship that's reminiscent of how Marvel comics in the '60s used to, especially on the opening page, talk directly to the reader. But Warner Bros. with the DCEU seems to be actively playing down the idea that these characters were ever created. Even Frank Miller, whom the overall tone of the initial DCEU owes everything to, hasn't been trotted out on press tours or anything. The closest is the Ostrander building in Suicide Squad, but that's blink and you miss. 

 

I'm just fascinated how these movies really seem to be made from scratch with the adaptation aspect coming from the surface, pop culture idea of DC characters. And the farther along the more this becomes prevalent. Man of Steel is broad strokes Mark Waid's Birthright and cribs dialogue directly from Morrison's All-Star Superman. BvS steals wholesale from The Dark Knight Returns. But Suicide Squad doesn't resemble any story from the comics I've ever seen, and Wonder Woman (haven't seen it) seems to be based on the broad idea of WW's backstory. Unless someone can point out any direct references to the original comics or George Perez's '80s stuff or Azarrello's New 52 or Morrison's Earth One or Greg Rucka's recent stuff. 

 

I don't know. I see a moment in Civil War with Iron Man blasting Cap's shield and I can point out that's lifted from a comic cover, and it creates a fascinating conversation between the comics and movie in terms of how the adaptation process works. Same with Peter lifting the debris off himself in Homecoming. But Justice League is this strange, slouching beast that seems to have sprung forth from a game of telephone with David Goyer describing DC to Zack Snyder who then described it to David Ayer who then described it to Patty Jenkins...who subsequently put the phone down because Joss Whedon was asking what she's wearing.

 

...

 

too soon?

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I don't know. I see a moment in Civil War with Iron Man blasting Cap's shield and I can point out that's lifted from a comic cover, and it creates a fascinating conversation between the comics and movie in terms of how the adaptation process works. Same with Peter lifting the debris off himself in Homecoming. But Justice League is this strange, slouching beast that seems to have sprung forth from a game of telephone with David Goyer describing DC to Zack Snyder who then described it to David Ayer who then described it to Patty Jenkins...who subsequently put the phone down because Joss Whedon was asking what she's wearing.

 

To some degree, I'd make WW the outlier. Jenkins & Co. wove an effective, solidly good origin story from disparate elements and sources but, as you remark, it seems to have very little 1:1 correlation with anything from the comics.

 

It feels like WB wanted to differentiate itself by being a place where directors could place a more distinctive stamp on superhero stories....but then got scared and wanted everything to match the hybrid tone and look of Man of Steel. And didn't WB go through some fairly seismic leadership changes between MOS and BvS? Geoff Johns is, in theory, helming the DCEU, but it still feels very much like WB is simply pursuing the revenue and bottom line end product of the MCU without bothering to really understand what it's done and what it's doing.

 

Keep Jenkins and Gadot but soft reboot the whole fucking thing. With an actual plan.

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