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Thought it would be best to start a thread focused on the upcoming Trek show so the other Trek threads can stick to their topics. Not much to say of the new show aside that it begins filming in September for a January release with an pedigree of Bryan Fuller and Nicholas Meyer. Still plenty of time to speculate.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/23/new-star-trek-tv-series-to-shoot-in-toronto/
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This is probably the most excited I've been about a new Trek series since TNG.  Even though I'm a big Classic Trek fan I have a good feeling that Fuller and Co. will do a bang up job here.

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What the shit is CBS All Access?
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This has the potential to be awesome. I can't wait to see who they cast in this, although I'm hoping for a recognizable name as the Captain (i.e someome like William Fichtner). Is it also too much to ask for Eddie Izzard as an alien in at least one episode?

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I'm really, really excited about this. Fuller and Meyer? THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY as a starting point? Yes, please.
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The series will reportedly be set in the 23rd Century, following the events of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and may focus on the Federation’s uneasy peace with the Klingon Empire in the years after the apparent space-glasnost featured in that film. It is also said the series will stay in the original Star Trek continuity
Best news of the week. Suck it, JJ-Trek.
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What the shit is CBS All Access?

 

The paid CBS streaming service that no one will use to watch this show.

 

Love that they're setting in the original Trek continuity after UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY.  So excited!

post #8 of 1139
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Assuming that report is true, I would have rather they did a completely new setting. I've grown less accustomed to the Dudley Do Right over the years, preferring they do something like the TOS/TNG primary color uniforms.

But if the pedigree gives us great writing along the way, it won't matter much when, where this series is set.
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Well, they can probably tweak the production design as they like, seeing as it's set (apparently) after the last TOS film (although one wonders whether it's post-the-prologue-of-Generations or not - wonder if they'll cameo Shatner the way they did with Leonard Nimoy and DeForrest Kelley in TNG) and before TNG. But yeah, I'm just happy to hear this at all.
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The GENERATIONS prologue only took place a year after the last TOS film, so maybe a little after that. Perhaps the turn of the century. Those red military uniforms remained in service until Picard was a young ensign, oddly.
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As someone mentioned in another thread, Kirks death supposedly takes place within the same year as the end of UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY- and honestly Shatner looks so different now to how he did in 1994, I think they're probably better to leave well enough alone.  Depending on how many years after VI this new series takes place (real time from 1991 would be 25 years--?!? bugger me!), perhaps cameos from Nichols, or Koenig could make sense.  The easiest sell would be Sulu on the Excelsior, though it might even be too much to presume at this point he'd still be a Captain after 25 years, again assuming that timeframe.

 

I think the advantage in the post UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY time period is that we have that 25 years of post Cold War history to mine narratively.  The Klingon empire fractures into smaller problematic territories- so you could have SOME Klingons be villains, while others are neutral.

 

I'll be thrilled to see the movie era mined production-wise.  I still love the costumes and the general "Horatio Hornblower" aesthetic Meyer imprinted on the franchise- and as they've brought him back I can only assume they want SOME of that with him.

 

But more than that I'll love seeing what I consider to be the best starship period represented again- we should see all the old favourites in this series, the classic Constitution class design, Miranda (Reliant) ships, Oberth (Grissom) class, and of course Excelsior-style ships.  But also the great Klingon ships- the (at this point sort of overused) Bird of Prey, and my favourite, the D7 Battlecruisers.

 

And the great thing is that the element of the shows that was SO restrictive back in the early TNG days- and really was throughout the whole series, the spaceship stuff, is probably one of the easier effects to execute on today.  It's been "easier" for a while, but with 10 years of advancement between ENTERPRISE and now- I'm excited to see what quality level they'll be able to bring to this stuff on a healthy budget today.

 

TV is where TREK belongs.  I'm very excited if you couldn't tell.

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I feel the whole Klingon relations have been done enough. TUC already played with Klingons being uneased by the idea of becoming allies with the Federation, and that stretched all the way to even the TNG era when there were still a few Klingons who haven't really embraced the new world order, wanting to go back to the glory days when the Empire was still conquering worlds through war, with Worf usually caught in the middle.

That's why I think it's better to just to move even further in time, a hundred years after TNG, bring a whole new dynamic to the Trek universe to give it a needed injection. But again, I still have faith in what Fuller and Meyer will deliver.
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Rather have it in a more dangerous time than the vanilla TNG era IMHO.   Plus, getting old school Trek ship designs is a big plus.

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I agree that the "Blue Sky" of post NEMESIS timeline would be refreshing, but in the end what did that get us in TNG- they floated some "new" aliens in the early seasons.  But outside of the Borg, ultimately STAR TREK ends up falling into the same patterns with the established species.  Ferengi were the only other substantial additions, but they petered out to become an "also-ran" species.

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I'm guessing that whatever Fuller has in mind, it won't be simply retreading familiar territory. TUC may be the jumping-off point, but the destination could still be something new.
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We don't even know the context of the show at this point?  Though it may seem well worn, I think it being about a crew on a ship is ultimately the "default" position for STAR TREK- it provides the most opportunity for seeking out situations and varying concepts from episode to episode.  And as we haven't had that on TV for over a decade- it seems like the safest start for a new TV TREK franchise.

 

And though the appeal of "closed stories" could be very cool, the suggestion that it could be an anthology show I find intriguing, and pretty confusing.  If the show ends up jumping around in time and casts, don't they loose a large amount of the ability to build an audience season to season?  And budget-wise  they'd be throwing a lot away on new sets for each new season.  It's a strange choice if it ultimately ends up being true.

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I feel the whole Klingon relations have been done enough. TUC already played with Klingons being uneased by the idea of becoming allies with the Federation, and that stretched all the way to even the TNG era when there were still a few Klingons who haven't really embraced the new world order, wanting to go back to the glory days when the Empire was still conquering worlds through war, with Worf usually caught in the middle.

That's why I think it's better to just to move even further in time, a hundred years after TNG, bring a whole new dynamic to the Trek universe to give it a needed injection. But again, I still have faith in what Fuller and Meyer will deliver.

There's always the prospect of a cold war with the Romulans, who can stand in for China or North Korea.
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If this does turn out to be an anthology type series, I think it would be interesting to actually see the Romulan war during the 22nd century. Even bring in Jeffrey Combs to reprise Shran for an appearance. Of all the "lost years" to look into, that's one I'd like to visit the most. The only thing between TOS and TNG I might be interested in seeing is the rise of Cardassia's fascist military takeover that lead up to the war with the Ferderation, but even then I still feel their story has been sufficiently laid out on DS9 anyway.

Fett suggests Trek stay closer to a more dangerous time. I say one way of going about is taking on Roddenberry's original concept of Star Trek where Kirk's mission was to actually venture out of the galaxy, as this original opening monologue indicated in the original cut of the pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
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I'll just say that one thing I hope they really don't do is try to spin up some kind of "epic" season-spanning arc. I'd like to see a sci-fi show that's content to just do thought-provoking weekly adventures rather than trying to make everything part of some giant masturbatory Wagnerian blowout the way all genre shows seem to be compelled to do these days.
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I think if this new show was going to air on CBS instead, it would be more likely that they'd go back to the reliable episodic format as most of their programs have stuck to that tried and true method. I kind of wish that would happen, because TOS and TNG had the benefit of allowing viewers jump into the show without having to catch up with the series. All you needed was the "these are the voyages" monologue to set the premise and you were good from there.
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While I agree that locking viewers into a season-long arc is an entirely different mode of storytelling than TOS and a majority of TNG, I wonder what the repercussions really are.  The kind of casual channel surfing that made up much of my youth was much more in tune with the episodic storytelling than the way we watch today- and certainly different to how younger viewers are growing up.

 

On one hand it's great to have bottle stories that can begin and end within the context of the episode, but the downside is 7 seasons of TNG, where there's a decided lack of growth or change to the cast or characters.  You're as a viewer going to perceive growth and the passage of time- cause hey! it's been 7 years and the characters look different and older.  But I'd like to think there's some middle ground between the two.

 

If the anthology thing is true, then my hopes are dashed for a "Doctor Who-esque" show where the crew of the ship can rotate naturally- either through standard promotion, or thru sudden consequences.  The show would be essentially immune from becoming stale, cause the dynamics keep changing.  I think I've mentioned before my likening it to a space LAW & ORDER.

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You can develop characters over time without roping the story as a whole into a long-form arc, though. My main concern is that if they do it in the emerging show-as-extended-miniseries format then it gets difficult for it to really play to the strengths of Trek as a whole - one of the great things about TOS is that each episode could go and do basically anything and be any kind of story they wanted it to be without having to worry about whether it served the Almighty Master Plot or not.
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I think that's where my parallel of LAW & ORDER comes from.  Pretty much any season, almost any episode has a crime to hang it's hat on that doesn't require much in the way of deep knowledge of the show- but things can simultaneously be going on with the characters- and characters could (and would) be killed, fired, promoted, reassigned, or otherwise shuffled off.  I think my feelings on this relate much more to an ongoing multi-year series with a single thru-line (like the Enterprise in TOS and TNG).  If the idea of 1 season, one crew, anthology pans out to be true; then I think it probably bodes for serialized storytelling.  24 episodes and done (if that's even how many will make up a season- we don't know at this stage).

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I bet it's 13 per season.
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That would be intriguing, and certainly the way premium non-broadcast shows are going.  With shooting set for September, I'm betting we'll hear a lot more over the next few months.

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New episodes will be up weekly like Hulu, rather than Netflix's all at once approach. I'm fine with this, because it makes discussions here more fun when everyone is on the same page watching one episode then anticipating the the next, whereas with Daredevil it's a minefield trying not to spoil things because everyone is watching at different speeds.
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It also drags out the subscription service to get the channel. I'll be surprised if the episodes aren't delivered monthly.
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Another aspect I'll be interested in is the score. If there's one composer I wouldn't mind seeing return to TV Trek it's Ron Jones. Looking at his resume, it seems like he stopped doing music for those Seth MacFarlane shows awhile ago and has only done the FIGHT FOR SPACE documentary, which will come out in June. For those unfamiliar, he's mainly known as the guy that composed some of the best music of TNG, which is exactly why Rick Berman fired him in favor of bland wallpaper music (no fault to Dennis McCarthy or Jay Chattaway, they were simply working under the awful restrictions put by Berman).






I'm open for a new composer of course, but I'm not sure who I would go for. Maybe Bear McCreary. Love his BATTLESTAR GALACTICA stuff, so it would be wonderful to see him step away from the dreary AGENTS OF SHIELD, which seems to be a complete waste of his talent. Ultimately, I suppose which best composer would depend on the style and tone the show is going for.
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I'm open for a new composer of course, but I'm not sure who I would go for. Maybe Bear McCreary. Love his BATTLESTAR GALACTICA stuff, so it would be wonderful to see him step away from the dreary AGENTS OF SHIELD, which seems to be a complete waste of his talent. Ultimately, I suppose which best composer would depend on the style and tone the show is going for.

McCreary does the music for Outlander, Black Sails, The Walking Dead and Damien, too.

 

Fuller's had a different composer for every series he's done, so whoever he goes with is kind of up in the air. I could totally see him wanting to bring in someone to go for more of an Original Series feel to the score, though.

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Is there anyone that currently does scores in that old school style? I feel Jones would be closest as he tried to bring that quality into his work before getting fired, but I'm not aware of anyone else that brings that kind of jovial adventurous feel.

I'll have to check out OUTLANDER sometime. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and I'm a fan of Ron Moore's work in general.
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Joesph LoDuca could do a great classic Trek score. One of the most talented and underrated composers out there.

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Edmund Butt (Ha!) is someone I'd love to hear do more.  His score for the Doctor Who Docudrama AN ADVENTURE IN SPACE AND TIME was amazing.  Got me to seek out his score for the BBC Earth show YELLOWSTONE which is pretty great too.

 


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Just in case  Mr. Stockslivevan's post wasn't implicitly stated as fact, on a quarterly earning call, CBS confirmed the January Premier date, a long with a weekly release schedule.

 

http://www.treknews.net/2016/05/03/star-trek-all-access-series-weekly-episodes/

 

I guess number of episodes is the only general format question left to be answered.

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woohoo!....a trailer for.....a......new.....logo?

 

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Yup, that sure is a logo, alright.
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Typical. They did this gimmick teaser for every Trek spin-off in the past. My real concern is this: Is that the actual title, as in no subtitle ala Trek 09?
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Devin has a mini scoop...dunno if it's legit or not...

Apparently Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
the storyline involves the mirror universe
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Typical. They did this gimmick teaser for every Trek spin-off in the past. My real concern is this: Is that the actual title, as in no subtitle ala Trek 09?


TrekNews reports that the show will have a more specific title than STAR TREK.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation of Voyaging in Enterprise Past Deep Space Nine or GTFO.

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Article on collider interviewing Fuller reveals some new info-

 

• 13 Episodes

• One serialized story

• announcements likely coming at ComiCon

• Flexible episode runtimes, like GoT

• sets starting to go up in a few weeks

• look for a colour-blind and inclusive cast

 

 

http://collider.com/new-star-trek-series-details/

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Truthfully, I'm relieved it isn't set in those "lost years" between TOS and TNG. I feel there's already a general idea of went down during that time. I rather move into new uncharted territory.
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I'm torn.  On one side, the wilderness period between VI and TNG would be filled with my favourite aesthetics in terms of design, costume, and ships.  On the other hand, an open road is narratively the best choice for the writers.

 

Although truthfully, I'd have to say that even if this show is post-Nemesis, invariably the known races always fall into common patterns of temporary allies and enemies.  With that in mind, there's a lot of narrative wiggle room in that VI to TNG period.  Klingons are at best uneasy allies with things changing after the Khitomer attack.  And at some point there's a conflict with the Romulans, possibly culminating with attack on Narendra III. and the destruction of the Enterprise C... after which at some point they disappear from view for "decades" leading up to their S1 appearance on TNG.  There's also the Cardasian War, which I guess took place about 5-10 years before TNG. 

 

I dunno, a lot of territory to mine, with only a few real touchstones to worry about in the 70 year gap.

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So, looks like in most international markets this show will be on Netflix, 24hrs after release on CBS's streaming service.

 

The big exceptions are obviously the US, where as we know the show will stream exclusively on CBS All Access.

 

But also excluded is Canada (of course), where Bell has negotiated exclusive broadcast and streaming rights (of course).  CTV will air the pilot episode (ala CBS in the US), then SPACE will broadcast the show simultaneous with it's release schedule on CBS All Access.  Episodes will be available at some point on-line thereafter on Crave, Bell's streaming platform.  Ug!

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ALL

 

ACCESS.

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Yes! I'll be DVRing the hell out of this show!

 

Hilarious to think they'll just be streaming online only in the U.S.

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I will only get ALL ACCESS if they have the entire seasons of Murder, She Wrote and Trapper John MD and AfterMASH.

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Would you accept Macgyver, Perry Mason and Wings?

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Murder She Wrote was the best!

 

90 year old Angela Lansbury should be the new ship's Captain! 

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Can we get her as the villain? Manchurian Candidate Lansbury gives me a fear boner like no other.
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Sounds like Saturday is when the lid will be taken off details about the show.   Devin tweeted tonight, "Star Trek Discovery".  Very curious to see what we get.

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