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post #1001 of 1074
Georgiou being eaten has to be a Bryan Fuller note. Is that a thing Klingons do after killing a captain or something fueled by the crew being hungry?

Google is failing me but is there precedence for this or is it "Alive!" in Space.
post #1002 of 1074
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Georgiou being eaten has to be a Bryan Fuller note. Is that a thing Klingons do after killing a captain or something fueled by the crew being hungry?

Google is failing me but is there precedence for this or is it "Alive!" in Space.

I think they have been mentioned to indulge in warrior style cannibalism among themselves (eating the heart of an oponnent), but nothing else shows up.

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Georgiou being eaten has to be a Bryan Fuller note. Is that a thing Klingons do after killing a captain or something fueled by the crew being hungry?

Google is failing me but is there precedence for this or is it "Alive!" in Space.

 

Klingon or not, it just seems like a fairly natural thing to do.  

post #1004 of 1074
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Something I never cared about from the movies was how they always had Klingons speaking their native language instead of just having them speak English like on all the TV shows. So I'm pretty annoyed that Discovery is taking that note from the movies.

I know it's to make them more "authentic" and alien, but I don't give a shit. I don't want to read subtitles for a made up language.
post #1005 of 1074
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Something I never cared about from the movies was how they always had Klingons speaking their native language instead of just having them speak English like on all the TV shows. So I'm pretty annoyed that Discovery is taking that note from the movies.

I know it's to make them more "authentic" and alien, but I don't give a shit. I don't want to read subtitles for a made up language.

I like it, and I've decided they will continue doing it for the rest of the season.  

post #1006 of 1074
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I like it, and I've decided they will continue doing it for the rest of the season.  

 

jIQochbe'. chaH vIparHa' tlhIngan jatlh.

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jIQochbe'. chaH vIparHa' tlhIngan jatlh.

post #1008 of 1074
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Landry has to be the biggest idiot I've ever seen in any Star Trek.
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Landry has to be the biggest idiot I've ever seen in any Star Trek.

 

Mr. Stockslivevan, his eyes uncovered.  

post #1010 of 1074
Thread Starter 
It's almost worthy of Olson's death from ST09. Kurtzman must have done uncredited writing for this.
post #1011 of 1074
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post

Georgiou being eaten has to be a Bryan Fuller note. Is that a thing Klingons do after killing a captain or something fueled by the crew being hungry?

Google is failing me but is there precedence for this or is it "Alive!" in Space.

I think it’s more hunger than anything. But with these Klingons who knows.

I’ve got no problem with them speaking purely in their native tongue and using subtitles. But really I’m fine either way.
post #1012 of 1074

The Klingon subtitles are fine, why not. But esp. in the first two episodes it sounds like they are struggling to talk around their fake teeth which makes them sound silly. And i don't even know Klingon.

On Martin-Green: Didn't like her much in TWD (may also be influenced by her character being really annoying), but here she is fine in my opinion.

post #1013 of 1074
They probably were struggling to talk around their fake teeth.
post #1014 of 1074

I still feel that the Klingon scenes need to pick up the pace. The language needs to be more direct and decisive, and the delivery itself needs to be faster and more conversational. I'm just getting bored every time they show up. I've already weighed in on the ALL CAPS.

post #1015 of 1074
Thread Starter 
Technically not all caps, it's the type of font being used.
post #1016 of 1074

When a Klingon scene is at the top of an episode I always think the subtitles are part of the credits.

post #1017 of 1074
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I still feel that the Klingon scenes need to pick up the pace. The language needs to be more direct and decisive, and the delivery itself needs to be faster and more conversational. I'm just getting bored every time they show up. I've already weighed in on the ALL CAPS.

 

A definite beast at Tanagra situation.

post #1018 of 1074
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I still feel that the Klingon scenes need to pick up the pace. 

 

That's my sole problem with it. It's much too time-consuming, and I have no doubt they're using "faithful" Klingon (as much as one can, anyways).

post #1019 of 1074

The Klingon scenes feel like actors in heavy make-up trying to out-Brian Blessed each other. Basically that's an awesome concept and makes sense but yes, it does get a bit repetitive. 

post #1020 of 1074

I have no problems with the Klingon scenes and declare you all fuddy-duddies. 

post #1021 of 1074

I have no problem with the Klingons and their incredibly well enunciated dialogue.

post #1022 of 1074

Kind of a throwback episode, with an improbable capture and even more improbable escape.  Lorca-centred episodes are a good thing.  It's too bad they couldn't do anything about those other (Starfleet?) people being tortured in the other parts of the ship.   I'm sure that's not the last we'll see of Rainn Wilson as Mudd, and hopefully sooner rather than later.  

post #1023 of 1074

In one of the trailers Burnham has an interaction with Mudd, so he's definitely back this season.

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Also, is this the first Swear Trek? Can't remember the f bomb in any other.
post #1025 of 1074

A quick Google verifies my recollection that Chief Miles O'Brien from Deep Space Nine did repeatedly use the lovely and exotic curse word "bollocks".

post #1026 of 1074
Bollocks isnt a swear word. Its on a level with bugger.


It is however a great word.

Ending of that ep was creepily great.
post #1027 of 1074

I kind of love this show now. That list of captain's names was a wonderful nerd moment.

 

Rainn was awesome as Mudd and yes that a nice little stinger at the end.

post #1028 of 1074
What's the over/under on a Gary Mitchell situation happening with Stamets?
post #1029 of 1074

This continues to be the first Trek show that I fully, unequivocally LOVE. There's none of that stoic, unrealistically idealistic stand-offishness that makes TOS and TNG just off-putting to me (TOS less so admittedly) and DS9 is great despite that aspect, cause it's not scared to dip its toes into the messiness of human nature. But Discovery just dives on in head first and I love it! 

 

Yes you adorable Tilly! Swear like a normal fucking person! Yes Burnham! Be a bit of a fuck up that's learning humility and wisdom from her previous mistakes! Be what makes us human! 

 

Saru stepping up to take charge and learning not to second guess himself was also great to see. As was Stamets standing up bravely for the Tardigrade and putting himself on the line, damn the consequences. That took ginormous balls. And letting the Tardigrade go at the end to zip around the universe felt approprately Trek-y. Dwight was also a lot of fun to watch as Mudd. 

 

Also, I'm pretty sure they elude to Ash getting raped by the female Klingon commander. 

 

All in all, I am digging the hell out of this and look forward to it every week. 

post #1030 of 1074

Given the massive divide betwen the show's narrative/characterizations and the fandom its seeks to please, im wondering if maybe, just maybe, they should had done a Mass Effect tv series instead with this cast and budget.

post #1031 of 1074

I'm trying to find the budget numbers for this show.  Why are television budgets so difficult to find as opposed to film budgets?  These are all publicly traded companies, yet for some reason it seems remarkably difficult to easily pinpoint this info.  

post #1032 of 1074
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There's none of that stoic, unrealistically idealistic stand-offishness that makes TOS and TNG just off-putting to me 

 

Haven't seen Discovery yet, but I think that's kind of the point with TOS and TNG.  It was to show an obvious contrast to present day human behavior and personal interaction.  

post #1033 of 1074

Yeah, I get that that's sort of the point. "Look how we have ascended from the muck of the past" and all that. I just don't find it very compelling viewing. 

 

My favourite sci-fi, like BSG or The Expanse, is all about how we take our very human infallibility with us into the stars and how we deal with that. And Discovery, I feel, is scratching that itch while still managing to be pretty optimistic. 

post #1034 of 1074

I have to keep reminding myself that Ron Moore is overseeing (the rather excellent) Outlander, and not this. Discovery really feels as though it shares DNA with Battlestar Galactica. Probably why I enjoy it so much. 

post #1035 of 1074

Digging this for the moment, although Burnham and Lorca are kinda dicks.  The supporting cast hasn't been fleshed out enough yet, but ya gotta love Tilly.  Colorful metaphor indeed.  Was iffy on the design of the ship, but seeing that the separated saucer is part of the drive, really coming around on it.  Also, given the latest episodes talk of genetic modification, spies, etc... Ash is totally that albino Klingon dude, right?  Way to go Lorca.

post #1036 of 1074
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I only just watched this, so I haven't read any reactions with the ending, but am I to understand this is some hamfisted allusion to the mirror universe?
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For those of you who've read and enjoyed Desperate Hours, the official plot-synopsis of the second Discovery novel, Drastic Measures (written by the great Dayton Ward), just went up:

 

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It is 2246, ten years prior to the Battle at the Binary Stars, and an aggressive contagion is ravaging the food supplies of the remote Federation colony Tarsus IV and the eight thousand people who call it home. Distress signals have been sent, but any meaningful assistance is weeks away. Lieutenant Commander Gabriel Lorca and a small team assigned to a Starfleet monitoring outpost are caught up in the escalating crisis, and bear witness as the colony's governor, Adrian Kodos, employs an unimaginable solution in order to prevent mass starvation.

 

While awaiting transfer to her next assignment, Commander Philippa Georgiou is tasked with leading to Tarsus IV a small, hastily assembled group of first-responders. It's hoped this advance party can help stabilize the situation until more aid arrives, but Georgiou and her team discover that they're too late — Governor Kodos has already implemented his heinous strategy for extending the colony's besieged food stores and safeguarding the community's long-term survival.

 

In the midst of their rescue mission, Georgiou and Lorca must now hunt for the architect of this horrific tragedy, and the man whom history will one day brand Kodos the Executioner. Original series fans will recognize this event from The Conscience of the King original series episode in which Captain Kirk, Doctor Thomas Leighton, and Lieutenant Kevin Riley, some of the very few survivors of the Tarsus IV incident, meet up with Kodos again.

 

Star Trek: Discovery: Drastic Measures will be released February 6, 2018, where it will sell for $16.00. To pre-order the book, head to the link located here.

Source: Amazon

 

Very cool. The Tarsus IV massacre was a seminal event in James T. Kirk's life, and can't wait to see how Lorca handles shit during it. These novels are being written with the full input and cooperation of the TV show's producers and writing staff, and if the last one was anything to go by, this one should be amazing too.

post #1040 of 1074

I've seen several people elsewhere complain about Lorca leaving Mudd as a prisoner on the Klingon ship, such as this one:

 

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 Is Mudd a good guy? No. He’s driven by craven self-interest that manifests in taking advantage of others, and Kirk always tried to see to it that Mudd got what he deserved for his wrongs. Kirk also always remained the better man. In “I, Mudd,” Kirk and his crew are captured by humanoid robots because of Mudd’s actions. He wants off a planet, so he directs the robots to grab him a ship; then the robots decide they need to “help” humanity by “serving,” i.e. imprisoning them where they can be looked after and kept from screwing up, all because of Mudd. Mudd helps Kirk defeat the robots, and Kirk still leaves him behind, to make sure the robots don’t stray from their path. In that case, Mudd helped create the mess, Kirk made sure he helps clean it up.

 

That’s not what Lorca did. Lorca left Mudd behind on a Klingon prison ship, happy to let him suffer torture and almost certain eventual death. (And there was no way to know the ship they would end up stealing was a two-seater.) This isn’t a case where Lorca happens to have a different view of Starfleet’s role as a military power. This is reprehensible.

 

Who would have thought that the Captain whose mandate seems to be the pursuit of every available option to win the war and who, in this very episode, is revealed to have killed his own crew in an act of mercy, might have some dubious moral shading? Because of his eyes, Lorca feels most comfortable in the darkness. I don't think they could have made it any less subtle. 

post #1041 of 1074
Desperate Hours was fantastic and that new novel sounds just as good.
post #1042 of 1074
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I've seen several people elsewhere complain about Lorca leaving Mudd as a prisoner on the Klingon ship, such as this one:


Who would have thought that the Captain whose mandate seems to be the pursuit of every available option to win the war and who, in this very episode, is revealed to have killed his own crew in an act of mercy, might have some dubious moral shading? Because of his eyes, Lorca feels most comfortable in the darkness. I don't think they could have made it any less subtle. 

I agree, but Mudd here was portrayed as a guy selling out his fellow humans/compatriots AND spying for the enemy, just to ensure his own survival.
The guy didn't deserve it, but he had it coming.
post #1043 of 1074

No doubt he'll be back.

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No doubt he'll be back.

And in greater numbers.
post #1045 of 1074
Finally watched this last night. Maybe the closest they’ve gotten to a traditional Star Trek episode. Actually liked Stamets in this one but not Saru. Although the last scene with him and Burnham was pretty good.

Didn’t realize until after that the interrogator was the female Klingon from T’Kumva’s ship.

Have no issue with Lorca leaving Mudd like that. I mean...we know Mudd doesn’t die. In fact he becomes somewhat jolly and learns to hate his wife.

I’ve seen the theory that Tyler is really the Albino Klingon in sort of an Arne Darvin situation but I don’t buy it unless they are really good with hiding it from medical scans.

Love the total fan service list of Captains. Matt Decker is a very nice pull. Also funny that 3 of the 5 captained the Enterprise.

So cursing is a thing in Trek...real cursing too. Not that I mind, just funny to hear it in Star Trek.

And to super nerd nitpick...the prison ship was identified as a D-7 Battle Cruiser. The D-7 was the standard Klingon ship we saw throughout TOS. So yeah...nerd rage...Engage.

Have been reading “desperate measures” only nitpick seems to be they make Pike look somewhat amateurish and hot headed. But I understand why. Do like that they fill in some of the background animosity between Burnham and Saru. And even the detail about the TOS style uniforms being exclusively for Constitution Class ships at the moment is pretty nice. About half way thru so far and I’m liking it.
post #1046 of 1074

So this is officially a war show. The beautiful opening titles seem more and more inappropriate every week.

post #1047 of 1074

But hey, Detmers (the blonde with a bracket on her head) finally got a line!

 

I dunno, I'm about ready to cut this one loose.

post #1048 of 1074

I haven't been watching the show (didn't get around to past episode 3, and it looks like I made a good personal call on that), but the online discourse has been...fascinating.

 

Non Trek fans seem to be more receptive to this, as 'gritty' prestige serialized television.  The 'hipper and edgier' Star Trek.  For myself, forcing Star Trek to be 'cool' essentially breaks it.

 

Some of the fan response has been off putting.  "Sure they imprisoned this sentient creature for their shroom drive, and yeah the Captain abandoned his previous crew to die, and yeah the Captain left behind a criminal to be tortured and possibly raped at the hands of the Klingons...BUT OMG THEY NAME DROPPED ROBERT APRIL YOU GUYS!!!"

post #1049 of 1074
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I haven't been watching the show (didn't get around to past episode 3, and it looks like I made a good personal call on that), but the online discourse has been...fascinating.

Non Trek fans seem to be more receptive to this, as 'gritty' prestige serialized television.  The 'hipper and edgier' Star Trek.  For myself, forcing Star Trek to be 'cool' essentially breaks it.

Some of the fan response has been off putting.  "Sure they imprisoned this sentient creature for their shroom drive, and yeah the Captain abandoned his previous crew to die, and yeah the Captain left behind a criminal to be tortured and possibly raped at the hands of the Klingons...BUT OMG THEY NAME DROPPED ROBERT APRIL YOU GUYS!!!"

I dunno. I’m as die hard Trek as they come and I like it. Super nerdy nitpicks and totally wrong Klingons aside.
post #1050 of 1074
Thread Starter 
As much as I want a return to the Trek mold that was in TOS and TNG, I'm trying to approach DIS on its own terms. It's a very different show in that not all of the main cast consist of good guys we should root for. I see a lot of fans confused by that new dynamic, wondering if they're supposed to be rooting for characters like Lorca because he's the captain, since that's what Trek has always done. Fans are trying to find some equivalence between this and past shows and I don't think that can be done. For all the hype nuTrek flaunted about how it's "not your father's Trek", it couldn't be more true for Discovery.

I really appreciate this iteration trying to do something new to an old franchise, but I admit I'd still like a modern day TOS/TNG someday after this experiment.
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