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post #51 of 313
Seeing this in a couple minutes. I'm very excited for this
post #52 of 313
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I thought this was great. Hilarious and some heart in it too. Refreshing to get a film like this in the summer. Of course no one will go see it. Shane Black has pretty much become my favorite filmmaker. Is this going to be the post thread where we can talk spoilers?

Of course no one will see it. It ain't a superhero film.
post #53 of 313
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Love Gosling's girlish scream. I thought there would be more of it in the film though.

I really appreciate that this movie doesn't overplay its hand in any single way.  It's terribly well balanced.  It really leaves you wanting to watch these characters on another case.

post #54 of 313
Absolutely. I felt their chemistry was as good as RDJ/Kilmer.
post #55 of 313

I'm leaning towards seeing this over the weekend (to hold me over til X-Men :P ), but one question: Better than Iron Man 3?

 

IM 3 was a good funny first viewing for me, but after a 2nd viewing I never need to see it again.

post #56 of 313
Different movies obviously, but this is Shane Black not put through the Marvel machine so this is better. But I do love Iron Man 3 still.
post #57 of 313
Better comparison is with my favorite movie, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Not as funny as that one but I thought the mystery/case was more interesting in this one. I feel like Nice Guys will only improve with repeat viewings.
post #58 of 313

KKBB is SO entertaining, that I so easily forget what the actual mystery/case is.

 

I agree that the mystery in THE NICE GUYS is more involving and balanced with the character stuff.

 

Definitely 'better' than IRON MAN THREE (if we MUST compare the movies because they're all by Black), if only because his new movie doesn't end in a big obligatory hodge-podge of CG cannon-fodder flying around meaning nothing.

post #59 of 313

Does Nice Guys at least have a better Rhody in it?

 

Just kidding. Thanks for the opinions. I look forward to being one of 5 people in the theater Saturday afternoon (unless girls come out in force for The Gosling or Dadbod Crowe).

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I really appreciate that this movie doesn't overplay its hand in any single way.  It's terribly well balanced.  It really leaves you wanting to watch these characters on another case.


Shit, I would've watched a three-person play that's just Crowe, Gosling, and the daughter arguing, complete with Gosling

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throwing in not-well-thought-out Hitler comparisons every so often.

"You know who else took orders?! HITLER!"
post #61 of 313

I liked this but....

 

This film's biggest issue is that it's no Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. And considering that I was (still am kind of) obsessed with KKBB, NIce Guys feels like a minor disappointment. 

post #62 of 313
Thread Starter 

Just realized Bruce's wife The Last Boy Scout is also the Airline Hostess in Commando

 

They probably had their Honeymoon at Val Verde.

 

post #63 of 313

What a total blast. Most entertaining movie of the of year so far. Crowe's flashback to displaying equanimity destroyed me.

post #64 of 313
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I liked this but....

 

This film's biggest issue is that it's no Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. And considering that I was (still am kind of) obsessed with KKBB, NIce Guys feels like a minor disappointment. 

 

Thinking about it last night, I concluded that I like THE NICE GUYS the least of the three Black-directed features. I really didn't care for the central "mystery" (half-baked and kind of dumb), Basinger's lousy performance and one-dimensional villain, and the film's wasting of Keith David as a heavy. Many of the jokes are great, though, and I loved Gosling. I thought Gosling's physical comedy was the best thing about the movie. The Lou Costello schtick when his character discovers the porn producer's corpse was classic.
 

I'm glad that Black is moving away from the gumshoe stuff with his next few projects because he's not very good at plotting mysteries and his approach is becoming overly formulaic. This movie was, at times, too reminiscent of both KKBB and THE LAST BOY SCOUT.

 

And, again, what a waste of Keith David. He's one of my favorite actors and it was a crushing disappointment to see the kind of role he was given here. I actually found the movie's treatment of him to be demeaning.

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Thinking about it last night, I concluded that I like THE NICE GUYS the least of the three Black-directed features. I really didn't care for the central "mystery" (half-baked and kind of dumb), Basinger's lousy performance and one-dimensional villain,

 

 

Yeah...pretty much when it turns out that

 

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the reason why everyone is looking for the pornstar is because of a video she did that implicates her mother in some criminal activities.

 

I kind of started tuning out. 

post #66 of 313

Very good, not great.  Unfortunately, the multiple trailers spoiled some of the best moments or situations.  There were still some good, unspoiled moments to be had (Gosling falling over the balcony and falling down the hill absolutely destroyed my audience with laughter), but more should have been saved for the theatrical experience itself.

 

Even then, the film felt like it was less dense with jokes than what was presented in KKBB.  What's there is very good, but it's not as rapid fire as I was expecting.  I still enjoyed it and would highly recommend it to anyone, but I'd caution you to lower your expectations somewhat.

post #67 of 313
I'm really looking forward to seeing this again. Loved the whole house party sequence. "Im a cowboy, shoot me"
And the guy in the tree looking costume getting shot.

The daughter explaining to Crowe about what happened to her mom and why Gosling felt responsible was particularly sad.
post #68 of 313
Thread Starter 

Saw it today and really enjoyed it. Though like Judas said, many of the best gags were spoiled in the trailers.

 

The Making of Book is available on May 31st.

 

An Inside Look

post #69 of 313
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

Very good, not great.  Unfortunately, the multiple trailers spoiled some of the best moments or situations.  There were still some good, unspoiled moments to be had (Gosling falling over the balcony and falling down the hill absolutely destroyed my audience with laughter), but more should have been saved for the theatrical experience itself.

 

Even then, the film felt like it was less dense with jokes than what was presented in KKBB.  What's there is very good, but it's not as rapid fire as I was expecting.  I still enjoyed it and would highly recommend it to anyone, but I'd caution you to lower your expectations somewhat.

 

Spot on. Perfectly fine film but not the home run I was banking on.

post #70 of 313

so glad I avoided the trailers to this!

post #71 of 313

Yeah that might have helped.

 

There was a lot going on in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, that while it is an often hilarious, subversive take on the crime genre, it's a film that's about the tragic way Hollywood tends to use women.

 

There's really nothing going on in The Nice Guys. It is what it is: a fun comic caper featuring two likable actors. And that's not a bad thing! It's just sort of disappointing when put up against Black's previous works.

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There's stuff going on in THE NICE GUYS!

 

I don't really think KKBB is specifically about the way Hollywood exploits women.  At least not Hollywood specifically, considering the final moment where Perry slaps around Harmony's dad.  That stuff is baked into the story in the way the women are treated, but I wouldn't say it's a movie ABOUT that, if you know what I mean.

 

THE NICE GUYS flirts with the idea that as insufferable and unfocused young people are about justice (be it social or environmental), it comes from a place of sincerity that's needed to balance out the mundanity with which a lot of injustice is done.  And similarly, young people are more inclined to use art (IT'S NOT A PORNO!!!) to get that message out there.  And of course, the ending of the film suggests that even then it's not enough... because people are too dumb to listen.

 

but ey... in spite of that, you keep truckin' on.

 

Because we're...

 

NICE GUYS DETECTIVE AGENCY


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post #73 of 313
Man I'm alone in loving this film it seems.
RIMSHOT!!
post #74 of 313

It must be noted: the actress who played Gosling's daughter was AMAZING in this.  She's gonna get a lot of work from this film, and I see her becoming the next Chloe Grace Moretz.

post #75 of 313

I wasn't won over by this one. The lead performances are very effective (especially Gosling, who demonstrates a talent for slapstick that I hope other filmmakers will exploit), but there's something about Black's directed features, with his trademark snarky dialogue and madcap action, that feels utterly weightless. The Nice Guys was funny enough while I was watching it, but as soon as I'd left the theater, I already felt the memory of it dissipating. I wish it was either weirder or wackier or meaner. 

 

Also, shame on Black for utterly wasting folks like Keith David and Kim Basinger.

post #76 of 313
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

It must be noted: the actress who played Gosling's daughter was AMAZING in this.  She's gonna get a lot of work from this film, and I see her becoming the next Chloe Grace Moretz.

 

 

oof. I don't think that sounds as positive as you think it does.

 

 

 

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There's stuff going on in THE NICE GUYS!

 

I don't really think KKBB is specifically about the way Hollywood exploits women.  At least not Hollywood specifically, considering the final moment where Perry slaps around Harmony's dad.  That stuff is baked into the story in the way the women are treated, but I wouldn't say it's a movie ABOUT that, if you know what I mean.

 

 

But isn't it? So much of the central story for KKBB is about how women come to Hollywood looking for fame and fortune--and get used up by the system: Harmoney comes to Hollywood and becomes a burnout. Her sister, so desperate to escape her awful life, runs to find the guy who played the main character in those Gossamer novels she loves, and discovers him fucking (who she thinks is) his own daughter. It's Harry (in true noir fashion) desperately trying to give some manner of dignity to the fallen women (both living and dead) of LA, and it's the constant self-deprecating jokes of women who don't really make it in the acting world. Yeah, it might not be completely about how Hollywood treats women---but it's definitely there. And the film treats it seriously, enough that it balances all the goofy shit that happens in KKBB.

 

I just never really got that with The Nice Guys.

 

 

 

Though it is pretty humorous (and perhaps points to how weightless Nice Guys is) that the film glosses over what is pretty much a downer ending:

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the girl they spend the entire movie looking for gets killed, bad guys get away with it, and Russel Crowes character goes right back to drinking.
post #77 of 313
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oof. I don't think that sounds as positive as you think it does.

 

 

hahahaah, I was thinking the same thing.

 

And good points about KKBB.  Yeah, that stuff is there for sure.  I just maintain that it's not necessarily what the movie is 'about'.  But I think we're just approaching the concept of what a movie is 'about' differently in this case.

 

But when you describe the movie like that, the movie sure does victimize women a lot.  Hahahah

post #78 of 313
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Though it is pretty humorous (and perhaps points to how weightless Nice Guys is) that the film glosses over what is pretty much a downer ending:

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the girl they spend the entire movie looking for gets killed, bad guys get away with it, and Russel Crowes character goes right back to drinking.

Yeah, it's a bleak narrative trajectory. I wish that Black was capable of giving it all some existential bite, ala the Coens.

 

What do you guys make of Basinger's "Detroit" monologue? It felt weirdly out-of-place to me (not on a thematic level, necessarily, but an aesthetic one).

post #79 of 313

I would agree that the Detroit stuff felt undercooked in general (along with Basinger's limited screentime)... and would partly explain why the monologue feels out of place aesthetically.  

post #80 of 313
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I would agree that the Detroit stuff felt undercooked in general (along with Basinger's limited screentime)... and would partly explain why the monologue feels out of place aesthetically.  
It's a shame, because with stronger set-up, the "Detroit" stuff would have gone a long way in giving the movie some bite.
post #81 of 313
Whole lot of Last Boy Scout DNA in this. I feel like Black is almost caught up in remaking his old scripts because he was disappointed in the often heavily rewritten final product.

I really enjoyed it and I don't think the trailers ruined the best gags (Nixon, the Killer Bee) but it's familiarity hurts it a bit. Still, I do like stuff like the coffee gag, which very much illustrates Black's approach to this material. Why is the coffee always hot? And since we're so used to seeing the hot coffee gag, wouldn't it be funny if a character in that situation would go off that assumption and be totally mistaken?

I don't know, fun little metatextual stuff like that really works for me.
post #82 of 313

Yeah, they may not come as fast and furious as KKBB, but there are some pretty classic Black subversion gags in this one.

 

My favorit was probably the joke about Gosling assuming that the ankle gun Crowe told him about was real, and not just part of his Killer Bee dream.  I mean, hell, Black has played that joke for real with Perry's derringer in KKBB, so seeing Gosling scuttling around on the floor while everyone else looks blankly at him and he slowly realizes there's no gun is hysterical.

post #83 of 313

The plot driving this one reminds me a lot of the one in LOOSE CANNONS.

post #84 of 313

  While The Nice Guys isn't as good as I thought it would be, its a good movie. I thought it would be more like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. One should go into this movie expecting it to be its own thing.

 

  I did like that the mystery because it starts off small and turns into a massive cover up.

 

  Gosling was great in this. First off he was funny as Hell in this: his screaming never got old and as mentioned before his Lou Costello like gasping was spot on. Even though he was a tad on the shifty side and a drunk, knowing that he feels responsible for his wife's death give the character some pathos. Crowe and him had good chemistry in this.

 

  As for the ending

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It made sense to me. A lot of times in the real world bad people get away with shit because people don't give a shit.

 

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I was bummed that Amelia was killed. Yeah she was a Britta, but she meant well and she was 100 percent right. 

 

Matt Boomer was good in this. He was great at projecting malice with just a look.

 

 I'm opened minded about a sequel to this.

post #85 of 313

I might be seeing a movie later today with my mom.  She's not a prude by any means, but how's the violence and sex in this?  Are we approaching Wolf of Wall Street or is it totally OK?

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I might be seeing a movie later today with my mom.  She's not a prude by any means, but how's the violence and sex in this?  Are we approaching Wolf of Wall Street or is it totally OK?
Do not see this with your mom.
post #87 of 313
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I might be seeing a movie later today with my mom.  She's not a prude by any means, but how's the violence and sex in this?  Are we approaching Wolf of Wall Street or is it totally OK?


 Its no where near The Wolf of Wall Street, but there is swearing and naked women.

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Do not see this with your mom.

Alrighty then lunch it is.  

post #89 of 313
Give us a limit.

What's a movie featuring the most objectionable material that she was cool watching with you?
post #90 of 313
I have to say that some of the gags involving underaged kids (and there were many, like far more than I anticipated) appeared to put my audience off a bit, but I thought most of it was funny. The movie sometimes plays like a really blue Nancy Drew mystery. Now that I think of it, though I like this movie a lot, I'd almost prefer that it was about March's daughter either seeking his help or getting herself involved in one of his cases without Crowe's character being involved. Not that I have an issue with Crowe, but the idea of Black really leaning into the "Nancy Drew as written by Mickey Spillane" element is appealing to me and would help eliminate some of the KK,BB and Last Boy Scout redundancy.
post #91 of 313

I really enjoyed when Holly's annoying friend got hurtled through the window!

post #92 of 313
I don't want to derail the thread, but I couldn't help but be constantly reminded of some things I've read about Black having "issues". Feels like there's a lot of him working out those issues I've read about in this and KKBB.
post #93 of 313

In the Writer's Panel podcast I linked earlier in the thread, Black defended the things Mel Gibson said in drunken rages as things one shouldn't necessarily held accountable for.  I'm fairly certain I've also read about Black having had drinking problems in the past, so his defense of his friend comes from his own experiences in saying awful things while drunk just to escalate things.

 

The understated way the film portrays Crowe's character declining drinks throughout the movie up until the ending seems like it could be a part of this.

 

I THINK I've also read about Black having had problems with women in the past.  But I'm not certain about that.

post #94 of 313
Loved it. I'll have to think on it some more but I think I do like it better than KKBB.

It truly is surprising how funny Gosling is. The bathroom stall, the "no" when Healy was trying to get his arm to break it and the Costello bit, Nixon in the pool, etc...In fact the whole Nixon/death stuff was gold.

This seems like the perfect type roll for Crowe too. The aged bruiser. His fight with David was fantastic. The daughter was pretty good too. How she insisted on no killing despite all the shit she saw. Loved it.

I would absolutely be on board for a sequel.
post #95 of 313
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I really enjoyed when Holly's annoying friend got hurtled through the window!
It was so brutal. It got laughs in the audience when I saw it.
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I THINK I've also read about Black having had problems with women in the past.  But I'm not certain about that.

 

Oh you likely did. Have no clue whether it was true or a Hollywood shakedown. One of those deals that just disappeared.

post #97 of 313
This movie actually repeated an issue I have with the Last Boy Scout: The Tragic Backstory Pile-On.

In LBS, Jimmy Dix is out to find the guys who killed his girlfriend, which is a perfectly fine motivation, but then halfway through the film he has this monologue about a wife and unborn child who died in an accident. It seemed like a bit much.

Now, March doesn't have a double tragedy like Dix, but I'm not entirely sure he needed the fridged wife back story. When it came up, it just didn't mean anything to me at all. Black has repeatedly spoken about liking his characters to be "tarnished knights", but he keeps going back to the same well as if he's afraid to just allow his characters to be natural born fuck ups.
post #98 of 313
That backstory amounted to so little that I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it just now.
post #99 of 313
It's not entirely wasted as Black threads it well enough through Holly, but I wouldn't call it effective or affecting. When you drop something like that it's supposed to be illuminating, but with March, it doesn't give us any real glimpse of who he was before or who he might have been if his wife hadn't died. It's not like Holly ever suggests that her father was ever anyone but the person we spend the entire film with.

It's easy to see that he isn't functional enough to do basic things like drive himself around, so his daughter is pulling double duty as child and caretaker, but I'm not entirely confident that his wife needed to be dead in order for that to work.
post #100 of 313

Definitely seems like a crutch Black leans on a bit as an obligation.  In this case, I kinda appreciated how little it's elaborated on.  But of course, you can easily suggest "Why have it there at all?"

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