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So I guess in five years time, there won't be anything on television or in the multiplex that isn't part of the MCU. Started to keep the DD S2 thread clean. Go ahead if you care.

 

Edit: I just want to admit to being completely wrong. A few years ago I stated that I didn't think Marvel would ever touch The Punisher as he didn't click with their Disney owned, PG-13 universe. That was before Daredevil S1 and before they did exactly what I said they wouldn't do in Daredevil S2.

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"ey red... I know you can read MY thoughts..."

 

 

meow meow meow meow

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I'll probably stream this.
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I for one hope the show has more to offer than just cheap thrills. It better have some depth and subtext. Lots and lots of subtext. Because if all this show has to offer is The Punisher brutalizing criminals with no remorse from one scene to the next then... well that would be pretty neat actually.

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I for one hope the show has more to offer than just cheap thrills. It better have some depth and subtext. Lots and lots of subtext. Because if all this show has to offer is The Punisher brutalizing criminals with no remorse from one scene to the next then... well that would be pretty neat actually.

I've got whiplash!

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My body is ready!

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Seeing as Bernthal and Holland are apparently best buds, I'd love if they somehow managed to get a Spider-Man cameo on the show. Ah, a man can wish.

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Doubtful, but I would give everything for this...

 

 

 

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Think the fact that Spidey's a kid now probably rules that scene out, but who's to say.

 

I know Ennis is worshipped here, but I'd love it if they drew on elements of Rucka's 16-issue run.  Rachel Cole-Alves and the two detectives working her case (including the one who's actually working with Punisher) would be good supporting characters, and the Exchange (supervillain minions who decide to get out of the costumed henchmen gig and into more organized crime) are strong villains, particularly Poulsen.  That may be more of a S2 or 3 arc, though.  Depends on the tone, because Ennis' run is much more darkly funny - what with the various deaths of both Ma Gnucci and the Russian and Frank's various encounters with Spacker Dave among many other elements, not to mention the ongoing saga of Detective Soap - than Frank's appearances on Daredevil.

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Depends on the tone, because Ennis' run is much more darkly funny - what with the various deaths of both Ma Gnucci and the Russian and Frank's various encounters with Spacker Dave among many other elements, not to mention the ongoing saga of Detective Soap - than Frank's appearances on Daredevil.

Darkly funny is absolutely the way to proceed with this character. WAR ZONE nailed the tone.

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Eeeeeh. I really don't think a series with War Zone's tone would work.

Basically, I think Max is the only time the character had been compelling, and I don't think a Netflix series would be willing to get that bleak or dark with its tone.
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The tone of War Zone (the movie) would not fit Bernthal's take on the character very well.  Not to mention it would probably wear thin at season length.  But I should probably shut up, I've never been a fan of the character, so the series is probably not going to work for me no matter what.

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If they stick to the brutal and somewhat realistic tone that they set in Daredevil I think that it will do just fine. 

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Bernthal was recently quoted as saying The Punisher in his upcoming series will be "totally unlikable". I'm sure that's an exaggeration, but it warms my heart as I don't think Castle should be portrayed as a hero at all.
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Yeah, that's sounds great and I don't buy it at all.

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Yeah, that's sounds great and I don't buy it at all.

Yeah. I still don't buy they'll go anywhere near MAX.
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I'm not sure Bernthal understands why people tune in to their favorite TV shows.

"Hmm, what's going on with that character I hate...?"
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I'm not sure Bernthal understands why people tune in to their favorite TV shows.

"Hmm, what's going on with that character I hate...?"

That's the reason people (=me) watch reality TV.
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Will this be a reality show?
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Will this be a reality show?

 

It would be amaaaaaaaaaazing if they went fully Man Bites Dog with it.

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Punishing With The Stars
Celebrity Punisher
ABC's The Punisherette
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Help! I Married a Punisher!
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I'm all over this but I worry that they sort of covered everything already.
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Yep, no more stories to tell!

@_@
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They've yet to cover the story of when The Punisher punched a polar bear in the face.

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The whole issue where he's unarmed in the zoo and pursued by gangsters is a delight.
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Some casting announcements out of New York Comic-Con:

 

http://marvel.com/news/tv/26831/netflix_original_series_marvels_the_punisher_announces_three_new_cast_members?linkId=29613508

 

Micro is in (to the surprise of very few).  Doesn't look like we're getting a "traditional" Micro though. 

 

Also, there are a few shots floating around online that seem to indicate:

 

Warning: Mild Spoiler! (Click to show)
Deborah Ann Woll/Karen Page will be making at the very least a cameo.
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Yeah. I still don't buy they'll go anywhere near MAX.

They already have to a point, but yes, there are certain shades Ennis added to Castle's personality that might be a bit too scary (especially in regards to his past) or difficult for producers to handle.
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They already have to a point, but yes, there are certain shades Ennis added to Castle's personality that might be a bit too scary (especially in regards to his past) or difficult for producers to handle.


Yeah, especially the "Oh my God I really do just love killing people more than anything else in this world" aspects.  Which would also be hard to square with his monologue to Daredevil about his return home from the war/the deaths of his family.

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Some casting announcements out of New York Comic-Con:

 

http://marvel.com/news/tv/26831/netflix_original_series_marvels_the_punisher_announces_three_new_cast_members?linkId=29613508

 

Micro is in (to the surprise of very few).  Doesn't look like we're getting a "traditional" Micro though. 

 

I don't know a lot about the guy they cast. I just know I don't like him because he's not Stephen Root.

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Root would've been ideal.
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Yeah, especially the "Oh my God I really do just love killing people more than anything else in this world" aspects.  Which would also be hard to square with his monologue to Daredevil about his return home from the war/the deaths of his family.

I think people are ready for a character like Ennis' Frank Castle because of stuff like Dexter (I only watched the first season, but I have a general impression), but I'm not sure if they're ready to commit to that in the context of an in-universe Marvel show. Part of the reason Punisher MAX was successful is because it was out of mainstream Marvel continuity, so Ennis could go to places that were far darker than he could in Marvel Knights.

Will Castle frag a commanding officer simply because he wanted to remain deployed and in an active war zone where he could indulge in his desire to kill people? Doubtful. Are we going to see Castle murder two sexually abusive parents in a basement while their kids are upstairs? Probably not. Are you going to see him beat a woman to death for her involvement in a white slavery ring? Unlikely.
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After Wayne Knight, the only way to go is down, honestly. 

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Yep, no more stories to tell!

@_@

I deserved that.
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I'm not sure Bernthal understands why people tune in to their favorite TV shows.

"Hmm, what's going on with that character I hate...?"

 

Hmm.  See the one-season show Mob City.

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I doubt this makes a series
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I doubt this makes a series
Uh...you mean they're going to finish the production they've already undertaken (including filming) and then just not release it or something?
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I heard the production stopped, but i hope you are right.

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I heard the production stopped, but i hope you are right.


Where?  There's not a peep about it online, and most of the hits when you search talk about the casting and how they started filming in October of last year.  So maybe you're thinking of them wrapping principal photography.

 

Marvel putting the brakes on the Punisher would have been big news in the trades, and on this site.

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Yeah, I can't find that anywhere online either. The series still seems set to debut late next year and that release date is only because Netflix added the series 'at the last minute' (due to how popular the character was in season 2 of Daredevil) and has had to schedule it around The Defenders and then the follow-up seasons of Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage.

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II just read that the character of William Rawlins, a recurring antagonist* in Ennis' Punisher MAX series, is a character on the show and that his "operations in Afghanistan intersect with Frank". I'm not going to get too excited because only in my moistest dreams could they possibly do those stories justice. This does seem to strongly imply that we'll be getting Kathryn O'Brien, but again, this could be like the Thomas Jane film and Punisher: War Zone where a bunch of shitty characters have the same names as awesome ones from Ennis' run.







*For those unfamiliar, being a "recurring villain" in the MAX series generally meant that you were lucky enough to survive one direct encounter with the Punisher to show up for another, less fortuitous direct encounter in an arc somewhere down the line. That's something else I loved about Ennis' run: No one ever really overstayed their welcome.
post #42 of 385
The show would be the hardest thing on Netflix if they appoximated just half the bugfuck brutality of the MAX series.

Yeah, here's hoping they stay a little true to Ennis and Rawlins means O'Brien as well. And if they're doing recurring villains, maybe we'll get us some Barracuda eventually.
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The show would be the hardest thing on Netflix if they appoximated just half the bugfuck brutality of the MAX series.

Yeah, here's hoping they stay a little true to Ennis and Rawlins means O'Brien as well. And if they're doing recurring villains, maybe we'll get us some Barracuda eventually.

They would be absolute idiots and cowards if they didn't adapt The Slavers; probably the arc with the most weight and social significance of the MAX run these days.
But I can see the risk it would mean, at least PR wise
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Oh, yes...

 

 

 

 

The bit in either the penultimate or final issue of this story with the Punisher and the woman who helps run the ring is something that would not have flown at all in years past for this character, but Ennis went there with him. Even if they do adapt The Slavers, there's no way that scene makes it in.

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Plate glass window? Yeah, no way.
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They would be absolute idiots and cowards if they didn't adapt The Slavers; probably the arc with the most weight and social significance of the MAX run these days.
But I can see the risk it would mean, at least PR wise

 

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Oh, yes...

 

 

 

 

The bit in either the penultimate or final issue of this story with the Punisher and the woman who helps run the ring is something that would not have flown at all in years past for this character, but Ennis went there with him. Even if they do adapt The Slavers, there's no way that scene makes it in.

 

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Plate glass window? Yeah, no way.

 

God, The Slavers is powerful and devastating in every way that the basic idea of the Punisher to many isn't. They push it past a place where the bad guys are just the villains. He's in league with utter evil. They're the rare Punisher targets who deserve what's coming to them.

 

My reservation is that in terms of adaptation, The Equalizer was essentially a Hollywood interpretation of that story with Denzel as The Punisher, but any of that batch of Eurotrash had nothing on the people there.

 

And when he finally gets his hands on that old guy at the top? Hot damn. No pun intended.

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The bit in either the penultimate or final issue of this story with the Punisher and the woman who helps run the ring is something that would not have flown at all in years past for this character, but Ennis went there with him. Even if they do adapt The Slavers, there's no way that scene makes it in.

 

Which, for lack of a better word, is a shame.  Because that scene plays out in the comic so cinematically that it could well just serve as the storyboard for the episode.  Film it exactly like that and I bet people would be buzzing over how they've never seen anything like it.

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While the kills in "The Slavers" are extreme, there's another storyline where Frank goes after an Enron like group of capitalists and feeds them to sharks. I thought that was maybe a bit too much. Slavers get the full Punisher treatment no doubt. Greedy assholes maybe don't deserve death.
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]I don't remember him doing a whole lot to those people, like he wasn't after them b/c of any white collar shenanigans. If I recall correctly (It's been a while), Frank took out some scumbags connected to a CEO character who turned around and hired Barracuda to deal with the issue. A lot of those characters died at the end, but I seem to remember it being incidental to the fight between the Punisher and Barracuda.

The stuff he gets up to in BORN, specifically the fragging incident, struck me as a much more extreme recalibration of his character.
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]I don't remember him doing a whole lot to those people, like he wasn't after them b/c of any white collar shenanigans. If I recall correctly (It's been a while), Frank took out some scumbags connected to a CEO character who turned around and hired Barracuda to deal with the issue. A lot of those characters died at the end, but I seem to remember it being incidental to the fight between the Punisher and Barracuda.

The stuff he gets up to in BORN, specifically the fragging incident, struck me as a much more extreme recalibration of his character.

 

Right. The Punisher gets led to a Jordan Belfort-esque guy who hires Barracuda to take out The Punisher, not realizing he'd be double-crossed by Barracuda and put in the shitter by both guys... and Frank leaves Barracuda with the shark.

 

The Slavers and Up is Down, Black is White are my favorite arcs from the run. Widowmakers and Man of Stone go to some dark places too.

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