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post #351 of 672
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I'm pretty suspect that the people refusing to accept Steve's sincere repentance for youthful douchebaggery don't have an entirely accurate recollection of their own douchebaggery circa 14 years old.

 

It's actually the reverse. I have very clear memories of being on the receiving end of the popular crowd's douchebaggery.

 

That said, it was good writing and ballsy of the show to give Steve some depth and a redemptive arc. 

post #352 of 672
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It's actually the reverse. I have very clear memories of being on the receiving end of the popular crowd's douchebaggery.

 

That I talked about remembering your own douchebaggery and your response was about other people being douchey at you is sort of the point.  The douches of your youth probably never even attempted any sort of amends, nor (I hope) did you do anything to them as provocative as secretly photographing their girlfriends undressing.  To paint Steve with the exact same brush is not entirely fair.

post #353 of 672
My douchebaggery at 14 was NOTHING compared to what it is now. I was bush league amatuer hour.
post #354 of 672
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That I talked about remembering your own douchebaggery and your response was about other people being douchey at you is sort of the point.  The douches of your youth probably never even attempted any sort of amends, nor (I hope) did you do anything to them as provocative as secretly photographing their girlfriends undressing.  To paint Steve with the exact same brush is not entirely fair.


He who has not been a perv cast the first stone.

post #355 of 672
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To paint Steve with the exact same brush is not entirely fair.

 

Agreed! I recognize, in this case at least, I bring my own biases to the character. As I wrote above, the turn Steve makes is good writing and storytelling.

post #356 of 672
Man we are getting a lot out of that teenage storyline, and personally it was my third favorite story of the three!
post #357 of 672
How utterly dumb were Matthew Modine's crew? They seemed totally unprepared to recapture their psychic runaway. Their strategy seemed to be just throw more guys at the situation when Eleven was quite clearly in full command of her powers.

The only thing that really paid off was Modine as Papa.

I was very much thinking of The Shop and S King's Firestarter throughout that set up.
post #358 of 672

I am curious if the flaws and issues pointed out about this show are failures of the creators, or if the creators intentionally created the same flaws of the movies and shows they are emulating.

post #359 of 672
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I totally got that Nancy has an attraction to Jonathan, but she's still creeped out about the picture thing, and what's more, she gave up her virginity to Steve.  Not staying with him sort of lessens that experience in her eyes.

If she were creeped out by Jonathan, she won't have let him sleep on the same bed with her, nor let her hand lingered in his just before their showdown with the monster.
post #360 of 672
If the first and second episodes had the pep of the third, I would have been one of this show's biggest boosters. Finally starting to enjoy myself.
post #361 of 672
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If she were creeped out by Jonathan, she won't have let him sleep on the same bed with her, nor let her hand lingered in his just before their showdown with the monster
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Not to mention the "slut" thing hurt her a hell of a lot more than the picture thing.
post #362 of 672

Eh, she brushed them both off pretty quick, as you probably would if parallel dimensions became involved. 

 

I was rooting for Steve the entire season. Break the shit out of that pervy stalker's camera!

 

That's not why I came in here though. I just want to ask what  the fuck #JusticeforBarb means exactly. She got killed by a monster, and now the monster is dead. So what, are people just being idiots or something?

post #363 of 672

Barb's coming back with cybernetic enhancements and an eye patch.

post #364 of 672
Honestly, I think a lot of that #justiceforbarb is being done in jest, but to summarize: How Barbara dies struck a chord with a lot of people, and some feel like her death didn't really have much of an impact on the overall show.
post #365 of 672

I honestly just find the Barb thing funny. I'm down with the Barb support in an ironic way because it's hilarious that people are up in arms about it.

 

For a series that follows virtually every 80s horror movie trope to the letter, people seem to be willing to forget that Barb filled a trope by being the somewhat unremarkable friend of the main character who gets killed mostly just to increase the body count, and give us a scare later on.

 

She wasn't even a great character. She was the cliche nerd her looks down her nose at the popular kids because she thinks they're all dumb.

 

On the subject of Jonathan vs Steve, they're both dicks, but... I kinda have to lean towards Steve. He makes amends for being a dick, extends the olive branch to Jonathan even if Jonathan doesn't know it (it's implied that he helped with the camera as a gift to replace the broken one), and instead of being the guy in 80s movies who runs away from the scary situation and gets killed as a result of being a coward, he comes back and saves both Nancy and Jonathan.

 

Sorry, Jonathan. You don't get the girl by acting all forlorn all the time, being creepy, and hoping she'll come around. You get the girl by taking responsibility for yourself, fucking up some interdimensional monster ass, and being assertive in winning her over.

post #366 of 672

Not a fan of the show at all, I gave up about half-way in, but I completely get why Barbara struck a chord with people. She's the only relatable or real-looking person during all those John Hughes-bullshit sequences between Nancy and Steve during the early episodes.

 

It's also off-putting that the show seems to fetishize geekery when it comes to the boys, but has no interest at all in the awkward Barbara, who gets hilariously killed off while they cross-cut between Nancy getting de-flowered.

post #367 of 672

How is Barb relatable? How many pairs of mom jeans do you own?

post #368 of 672

I don't see how the show fetishizes geekery with the boys. They rode bikes, talked on walkie-talkies, played games and had Star Wars action figures. That's pretty standard childhood fare for kids in the 80s.

post #369 of 672
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How is Barb relatable? How many pairs of mom jeans do you own?

 

We are all Barb like we are all ginger. 

post #370 of 672
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I honestly just find the Barb thing funny. I'm down with the Barb support in an ironic way because it's hilarious that people are up in arms about it.

 

For a series that follows virtually every 80s horror movie trope to the letter, people seem to be willing to forget that Barb filled a trope by being the somewhat unremarkable friend of the main character who gets killed mostly just to increase the body count, and give us a scare later on.

 

She wasn't even a great character. She was the cliche nerd her looks down her nose at the popular kids because she thinks they're all dumb.

 

On the subject of Jonathan vs Steve, they're both dicks, but... I kinda have to lean towards Steve. He makes amends for being a dick, extends the olive branch to Jonathan even if Jonathan doesn't know it (it's implied that he helped with the camera as a gift to replace the broken one), and instead of being the guy in 80s movies who runs away from the scary situation and gets killed as a result of being a coward, he comes back and saves both Nancy and Jonathan.

 

Sorry, Jonathan. You don't get the girl by acting all forlorn all the time, being creepy, and hoping she'll come around. You get the girl by taking responsibility for yourself, fucking up some interdimensional monster ass, and being assertive in winning her over.

 

Jonathan did all three. Well, maybe not the last part since he didn't ask her out at the end when he had the chance. 

post #371 of 672

I really dislike how every argument pro Steve or pro Jonathan feels the need to tear down the other guy and make him look like a piece of shit.  Stop taking notes from your political landscape Americuh!

 

The only person who needs to be torn down in this show is awful gross Barb.

post #372 of 672
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That's not why I came in here though. I just want to ask what  the fuck #JusticeforBarb means exactly. She got killed by a monster, and now the monster is dead. So what, are people just being idiots or something?

 

In jest is exactly right. Like #JusticeforHarambe it's am impotent gesture that doesn't mean anything in the long run. Some people take it too far as these memes always do but that's the main gist.

 

I do find the actress that plays her cute as fuck though...

post #373 of 672

Shannon Purser? Yeah, she's adorable when she's not all Barb'd up.

 

She apparently really wants to play Squirrel Girl. She looks the part, and she's got a knack for playing completely pointless characters that people agonize over.

post #374 of 672

Of course Barb wants to be fucking Squirrel Girl.  No need to be Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel.  Know your limits Barb!

post #375 of 672
The real hero of Stranger Things

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post #376 of 672

Wow!  Started drunk watching this late last night.  First two episodes were quite solid!  Atmosphere was very, very evocative of 80's, golden age Amblin. Looking forward to catching up and reading through this thread.

post #377 of 672
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Barb's coming back with cybernetic enhancements and an eye patch.

 

You laugh but I bet that's exactly what happens with Dr. Brenner.

post #378 of 672

Finished the show, finally read the thread. Man I hate binge TV. I'd really have preferred to discuss this one episode by episode.

post #379 of 672

Eleven's exit broke my heart wide open. Friends don't lie.

post #380 of 672

#WhatAboutBarb

post #381 of 672
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Finished the show, finally read the thread. Man I hate binge TV. I'd really have preferred to discuss this one episode by episode.

While I like the show, is there really that much to discuss? It's not like it's rife with gray areas and subtext. It loads up on the nostalgia and tells a relatively simple story about kids fighting a monster. What else is there?

post #382 of 672
Several pages of Barb and steve vs Jonathan crap. I'm still waiting for the thread to turn towards the eleven stuff.
post #383 of 672
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Several pages of Barb and steve vs Jonathan crap. I'm still waiting for the thread to turn towards the eleven stuff.

 

Eleven kicked seventeen kinds of ass.

post #384 of 672
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While I like the show, is there really that much to discuss? It's not like it's rife with gray areas and subtext. It loads up on the nostalgia and tells a relatively simple story about kids fighting a monster. What else is there?

 

The Duffer Brothers said the series is more like an 8-hour movie, which is how I see the show as well. 

post #385 of 672
Thread Starter 

FINALLY got around to binge-watching this and thought it was really good, and deserving of the hype it seems to be getting. With the exception of Winona Ryder, I was impressed with the quality of the acting - especially from the kids playing Eleven and Mike. All of the kids had chemistry with one another and felt as though they were a genuine group of friends.

 

I've seen David Harbour in other roles but this was the first show where I really appreciated him. I hope he gets a lead role elsewhere (or at least returns for season 2 of this). 

 

My biggest chuckle of the show came from Dustin's late-night phone call to his science teacher where, after being asked why on Earth he's building a sensory deprivation tank, he pauses for a few seconds and then cautiously responds: "...Fun?"

 

I wish more of these binge shows were only eight episodes in length. I never felt as though the show was dragging its feet as with some shows, and it didn't overstay its welcome either. 

post #386 of 672
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I wish more of these binge shows were only eight episodes in length. I never felt as though the show was dragging its feet as with some shows, and it didn't overstay its welcome either. 

 

Tangent: with the exception of consistently excellent half hour comedies (e.g., Parks and Rec, 30 Rock), I really don't think I'm up for shows going longer than 12-13 episodes anymore. Limiting the hours available necessitates better storytelling, more tangible stakes, and overall better writing. Too many shows struggle to tell consistently good stories over the course of 20+ hours, year after year. 

post #387 of 672
I get you there. The last show that I really didn't mind was FRINGE. which I loved. I can't even get through FLASH which is somehow praised beyond measure.
post #388 of 672
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I get you there. The last show that I really didn't mind was FRINGE. which I loved. I can't even get through FLASH which is somehow praised beyond measure.

I worked on Fringe for a few years!  Awesome show.  Every single time I was in the same location as Anna Torv it was the greatest moment of my life.  

post #389 of 672
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My guess would be that since The Force Awakens is a sequel, people are willing to give it a pass since it's essentially ripping itself off. Granted that doesn't make it immune to criticism. But Star Wars has a certain power that puts a spell on people (me included), especially when it's painstakingly produced to recreate the look and feel of the original trilogy.

With this show, however, it's a new property. So when it obviously takes bits and pieces from classic films without any sense of an update or irony, it just comes across as lazy.

I'd be inclined to say that using visual callbacks from a variety of other works in service of a new story is INFINITELY more forgivable than remaking a film from your own series beat for beat and passing it off as something new.
post #390 of 672
Watched this front to back today, and it works for one overriding reason: the kids act like kids. Someone up thread mentioned the kids yelling too much, but given the circumstances I thought these were played as some of the most level headed kids on earth. Friend dead or missing? New weird kid moves shit with her mind? D&D is apparently real and your friend may be trapped in a dark alternate dimension? Inside voices guys.

The Sheriff was a surprise favorite. Seen that actor off and on for years but this is the first time he clicked with me, and I enjoyed the hell out of him every time he was on screen.

The sniping on this show for the callbacks is a little odd to me, since as a period piece it pretty much has to include the hallmarks of the era or else it feels inauthentic. Aside from D&D, Mike's room and basement could have been mine. The specific visual callbacks to other films of the 80s I never found annoying because they never required a detour from the new story being told. The plot of THIS story was fresh and something we haven't seen before, and I'd argue if you're going to reach for the nostalgia button this is the right way to do it (Starkiller and Han's Obi-Death, I'm looking at you). Hit the button with the visuals but use those visuals to tell a NEW story. This show would have been eaten alive if it had decided to just give us ET with a monster instead of an alien, which is basically what Force Awakens settled on.
post #391 of 672

Show is magnificent.  Hits all the right chords and satisfying ladles nostalgia, old-time adventure, and relate-able characters that offer fresh takes on well-known archetypes.

post #392 of 672
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Just starting ep 6.

Goddamn, that town sherif dude should have immediately taken the foam-stuffed fake body from the morgue at the end of ep 5. Because exposure.
post #393 of 672
I love the title font on this. It's extremely reminiscent of every 80s Stephen King novel cover font.
post #394 of 672

Through episode 5.  Had to turn it off because we have to get up early tomorrow, but it took a lot of effort for us to stop.  Loving the hell out of this.

post #395 of 672
Yup. Just gassed out due to morning plans at the start of 7.
post #396 of 672
So THAT's what it feels like to stick a landing. I can't remember the last time I finished a show I was this invested in and saw both an emotional and plot-derived payoff. Both recent examples of trading one for the other, LOST and BSG, worked for different audiences to different levels, but for those they DIDN't work for they're hard to defend.

Granted, this was a season finale, not a series finale, so I'm probably letting it off too easy, but in today's landscape of hack writing and shortcut nonsensical plots going for "moments" over setup/reveal/payoff, it was a surprise how much I found myself emotionally invested in Will being rescued and El saying goodbye, both endpoints of the plot that had been allowed to build.

As a sidebar: having a kid has changed how scenes involving kids in jeopardy affects me as a viewer. 4 months ago if I'd watched this show I would have identified with the kids, Mike especially. Now I feel like I know what Mike's feeling, but the Sherrif and Joyce's NEED to save Will unexpectedly cut me to the bone. Also, kudos for proper CPR in film, (well, at least the first round) something constantly fucked up.

Trivia: most technically HORRIBLE CPR in film is also the best CPR scene in film (emotion-wise). Thank you James Cameron.
post #397 of 672
Thread Starter 

Enjoyed Stranger Things?

 

Nostalgic for those old 80's adventure computer games, ala King's Quest?

 

Well, why not try the free (unofficial) tribute to the show which you can download here?

 

 

post #398 of 672

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/fuck-barb

 

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssss

post #399 of 672
It really is puzzling how much virtual ink has been spilled over a character who amounts to a horror movie red shirt.
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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/fuck-barb

 

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssss

 

 

SO EDGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

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