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post #51 of 72

Breaking Bad was able to form a beginning, middle and end based on the central component of Walter's cancer, and the show was laser-focused on him. That's never going to happen with a large ensemble cast.

 

House of Cards had a wackadoo Kevin Spacey performance and was larded from the very start with subplots and characters that never, ever, ever, ever, EVER became interesting. I enjoyed Spacey's campiness, but at some point the showrunners started thinking they were actually making prestige TV. Wright's character has actually become a character the last couple of seasons, rather than a cipher giving smoldering glares at the wall, but the writers have steered away from Spacey's scenery-chewing, fourth wall-breaking histrionics, robbing the show of the only ounce of personality it had.

post #52 of 72

Cool. I'm not missing anything then. I remember tuning into the first season because of Fincher's involvement, and then realizing...uh all he did was establish a visual palette.

post #53 of 72
This season really turned me around on Crazy Eyes. Previously we've been meant to feel a bit sorry for Suzanne; or protective towards her delicate mindset.

I feel completely different now. She is, for reasons largely beyond her control, a dangerous person. What she was doing in GenPop in the first place is beyond me (yes, I know, "the system is fucked" is the likely answer).
post #54 of 72

Yeah, Suzanne should be in intense psychiatric care. The inevitable trial that took place after what happened with the kid from the store would have made it clear that's where she should be.

post #55 of 72
What's her sister's life like after coming back from her weekend getaway? Fucking haunting.
post #56 of 72

Her sister should be in minimum security for negligence.

 

Nah, that's rather harsh. Suzanne should not have been in her care in the first place.

post #57 of 72
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 House of Cards had a wackadoo Kevin Spacey performance and was larded from the very start with subplots and characters that never, ever, ever, ever, EVER became interesting.

 

What about Remy and Jackie Sharp? Don't even act like you're not in suspense, waiting to see if those two crazy kids will find a way to make it work.

post #58 of 72
Wrapped it up. And yeah, the wrong characters got the final beats. Unless their arcs were trimmed to make way for more Lolly/Suzanne. Which I suspect is the case. It's tough when you're getting great performances from secondary characters and you have to make a choice between them and the people the show is "about."

And the flashbacks in the finale were neat and well done but shamelessly tear-jerking. Like the writers giving fan service to themselves.
post #59 of 72
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Much like House of Cards, it's not a series that should just keep going on as long as viewership is there. There's a finite amount of really good material, and once it's been mined out of the concept (arguably right about now), it's time to respect the show and end it properly. Otherwise, it turns into a mess like Jenji Kohan's other show.

I started a response to this, and it ballooned out into a whole big thing.
post #60 of 72

That was a fantastically concise and well-thought out blog post, Schwartz.

 

I take full credit for it, seeing as how I was the inspiration!

 

Joking aside, you've got a real strong knack for analyses mixed with humor and entertaining your reader. I'm sincerely impressed. I vote you take over CHUD.

post #61 of 72
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I started a response to this, and it ballooned out into a whole big thing.

It's very god but im going to pretend not to like it so you feel the need to earn my approval.

post #62 of 72

I don't have to impress you!  Haven't you heard how normal-looking I am???

post #63 of 72
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I don't have to impress you!  Haven't you heard how normal-looking I am???

I have and it's why I have to employ tricks.

post #64 of 72
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I don't have to impress you!  Haven't you heard how normal-looking I am???

Your picture only reminds me that you are not Levar Burton, which is disappointing enough. Win my love back!

Excellent article on the problem of putting away a show when it is narratively and thematically finished. The creator of OITNB has a Showtime history of not knowing when to stop. Dexter's final two seasons were just terrible. There are parts of Left Behind that I really enjoyed, but you nail down why it ultimately disappointed.
post #65 of 72
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Your picture only reminds me that you are not Levar Burton, which is disappointing enough. Win my love back!

Excellent article on the problem of putting away a show when it is narratively and thematically finished. The creator of OITNB has a Showtime history of not knowing when to stop. Dexter's final two seasons were just terrible. There are parts of Left Behind that I really enjoyed, but you nail down why it ultimately disappointed.

Left Behind?

post #66 of 72
Not the Kirk Cameron evangelical adventure flicks. A "people disappear in a Rapture and everyone has weird secrets" show.
post #67 of 72

The Leftovers.

post #68 of 72
That's the one!
post #69 of 72
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The Leftovers.

It's about food right?

post #70 of 72

Re-watching the series from the beginning, it strikes odd how inconsistent some of the character development is. Especially Suzanne is a completely different character in S1. I was also surprised by how good Taylor Schilling is in the early episodes. Her bug-eyed ACTING got somewhat distracting later on. And for some reason Kate Mulgrew always comes across like someone pretending real hard to appear Russian.

post #71 of 72

I watched the first few episodes again not too long ago as well. It was definitely much more Piper's show in the beginning, and the overall tone, I think, was much lighter. At this point I'd say it's become a true ensemble.

 

And I don't think Schilling is all that bad. I think they just couldn't figure out what to do with her past about the second season or so. Piper starts up a black-market panty-selling operation? Piper unwittingly becomes a neo-Nazi? I mean, come on...

post #72 of 72
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