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post #51 of 783
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The one thing I'm missing so much is the hat.  Give him a hat!!

 

"His hat was gone" is mentioned in King's first description of Roland. Of course, it's then followed by "So was the horn he had once carried" so........

post #52 of 783

Warning: long post.

 

I'm really, really intrigued by what I'm seeing. I'm a Dark Tower super fan and have read the books many times, so the evident remixing actually feels totally in line with the books.

 

The inclusion of the Horn not only frees them up to do anything they want, but the appearance of so many disparate elements actually feels respectful rather than chaotic. What I mean is, there are certain locations, like the Dixie Pig, and groups, the Can-Toi, that are technically already around during the events of the early books, but just hadn't been introduced (or thought up) by King yet. So the ideas on display here feel like a response to viewing the series as a whole.

 

Jake's status, haunted by memories of a Mid-World he may or may not have already visited, is right out of The Waste Land. New York as such a prominent setting is out of most of the books, especially The Drawing of the Three and The Song of Susannah. 

 

And really, if you keep the idea of alternate realities but strip out the meta-aspect (Stephen King himself as a character), the characters that can't be included for legal reasons (Father Callahan from 'Salem's Lot, Ted Brautigan from Hearts in Atlantis), the weirder stuff (all the Wizard of Oz imagery in Wizard & Glass) and cut back on Roland's past to just flashbacks rather than an extended storyline, and this looks about right.

 

Apparently the plot is

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the Man in Black has been at the Devar-Toi, which as we know from the last book is a Pleasantville-esque place near the Dark Tower (comparatively speaking) where psychics are used to break the beams that hold up said Dark Tower. MiB learns of Jake, who has a powerful "shine" (I hope they use this lingo in the movie), and hopes to retrieve him from New York and use him to finally bring down the Dark Tower. Jake's visions guide him to the house on Dutch Hill and that's how he gets to Mid-World (not dying after getting hit by a car). He meets Roland, presumably a bit of the events of The Gunslinger happen, and then they both end up in New York together (through a door?) for the third act. The Dixie Pig may be the scene of a big battle. 

Kind of a weird remix, but I'm fine with it because it has the vision to introduce major elements earlier that could be brought back if this ends up being, say, a trilogy of movies. Consequently, I could envision a second movie being a riff on both The Drawing of the Three and The Waste Land, with bringing Eddie and Susannah to Mid-World, Lud and Blaine the Mono being the major elements. A third movie could be the last three books (the Calla and fighting the Wolves, Susannah giving birth to Mordred, the fight at the Devar-Toi, the trek through the snowy wastes, the Tower itself) with a good bit of what I mentioned above cut out.

 

Point being, I'm excited. Things appear to be shifted all over the place, but it seems THE RULES of the series are being sustained. Also, my hope is that the MiB by having a more prominent role gets a better ending. I always thought that King didn't know what to do with him, making the connections to other villains arbitrarily and making him too powerful and mysterious, so when he does show up in the final book it's just a whimper. I'm excited enough about McConaughey that I'd love for the

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MiB to make it all the way to the Tower. The Crimson King can still be there (hopefully handled better), but don't let MiB go out like a punk.

 

All right, end rant.

post #53 of 783

Only Bart could "rant" about something whilst talking about how optimistic and excited he is for it. 

post #54 of 783

If we were at a party, that post above would be me holding your arm and talking really close to your face.

post #55 of 783
Bart, your sense of the story structure is close but a little off.
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New York is the bulk of the movie. THE GUNSLINGER stuff is mostly in the first act, before MIB and Roland end up in NYC with Jake.

There's a return to Mid-World at the end, bringing Jake, Roland, and the MIB there for the climax.
post #56 of 783

I'd totally buy Roland's coat if I could (and I imagine we'll see a few replicas once the movie is released). I like the fact that they've designed it in such a way that he looks like a cowboy in the desert but also wouldn't look out of place on a New York bus.

 

I have a feeling that half of my posts in this thread will be about the costumes, as I'm also digging what I've seen of the MIB's clothing.

post #57 of 783
The cosplay for this one will be enormous. Every blessed one of them's gonna have a go at Roland.

Anyone know how big this series really is? I'm constantly surprised by how many people I know have read the whole thing. It would be so weird if this was a big hit, but it seems possible, with how excited everyone seems to be about this on the Internet. Classic mistake, I know, but if they figure out how to sell this, I think it could really catch on.
post #58 of 783
It's not going to be a hit unless I get to see Roland gun down an entire town himself in the first movie, dammit.
post #59 of 783
So this is definitely going to be PG-13, right? Or maybe R and that's why this isn't mega-budget?

I'm not even that worried about the use of blood or whatever. But I really need moments like Eddie's naked gunfight to pull no punches in a sequel.
Edited by Raynis - 7/16/16 at 10:16am
post #60 of 783
It'll be PG13, which is a concession I'm fine with. The novels are pretty rough, but PG13 is so malleable nowadays I'm sure they won't have to try too hard to make it fit into that framework. Another reason the TV show would have worked so well. It's a story that can play to a big audience and a teenage audience quite well, so I'm fine with it.

The It adaptation, on the other hand. R or GTFO.
post #61 of 783

This would have been a stellar Netflix series. Oh well.

post #62 of 783
Pessimist Fett, three production stills and he taps out. But not without routinely dropping in to remind us.
post #63 of 783

PG13 Dark Tower? What in the hell?  How about you make a movie, do the best version you can and then let them rate it afterwards. 

post #64 of 783
There hasn't been any word, but it seems pretty obvious from a boring suit's perspective. They want this to be a major franchise.

I'm curious about the youngsters that dig the flick and seek out the source.
post #65 of 783
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Pessimist Fett, three production stills and he taps out. But not without routinely dropping in to remind us.

 

I'm a Realist Fett, Ray. 

post #66 of 783
This is fucking great. Though it may be lost on those who've yet to read the books.

http://www.thesombragroup.com

There, you will find a app for your phone, where you can use the brilliant, cutting-edge tech of North Central Positronics on your camera in an AR fashion to find secrets of Mid-World and beyond.

Brilliant.
Edited by Raynis - 7/19/16 at 10:27am
post #67 of 783
I just got this to grow out of the EW cover, bringing my camera closer shows that a business card is completely readable. It's for the construction site that Jake sneaks into to find the rose.

post #68 of 783
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This is fucking great. Though it may be lost on those who've yet to read the books.

http://www.thesombragroup.com

There, you will find a app for your phone, where you can use the brilliant, cutting-edge tech of North Central Positronics on your camera in an AR fashion to find secrets of Mid-World and beyond.

Brilliant.
I want a Nozzala Cola tie-in!
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I just got this to grow out of the EW cover, bringing my camera closer shows that a business card is completely readable. It's for the construction site that Jake sneaks into to find the rose.

Woah
post #69 of 783
The picture King posted months ago, with the Horn of Eld, reveals a magic black portal, with a pair of evil eyes looking through to you.
post #70 of 783
I really dig this image....

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post #71 of 783
post #72 of 783
Condensed is right. So odd. No Eddie or Suz. So if this does well, will we get a trilogy of horn-rebooted sequels/remixes?
post #73 of 783
From what I understand, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
there are hints that Eddie/Suz would appear in the next film, should it happen.
post #74 of 783
Arcel has said all the films will do this. It's a remix. He's said Eddie, Sussanah, Shardik, and Lud will be the next film. The wheel of Ka has been spun, everything rearranged.

But this film will have the structure and whatnot of the first book. They're still keeping the future plans loose but King has been heavily involved on exactly what is happening. He had direct involvement, input, and outright wrote and omitted dialogue in the script. So that's cool. They think they'll do the young Roland material on television. But it's still loose.
post #75 of 783

After the UNDER THE DOME debacle I'm more than a little wary of King's future movie/TV works.

post #76 of 783
At best, this thing is a modest hit. We'll be lucky if we get a sequel.
post #77 of 783
I don't see this really attracting the fans at all. They may be too saavy and/or cynical. We all know it depends on marketing, and this seems like a weird sell.
post #78 of 783

I dunno. I'm kind of over labelling things as "weird sells" after seeing that phrase thrown around for Deadpool, Preacher and Guardians Of The Galaxy (all of which have proven to be critical and commercial successes despite their niche source material). If everything aligns as it should, I don't see why a fantasy movie that replaces a knight with a cowboy couldn't pique enough interest to make it a hit with the mainstream audience, especially if the marketing touches on the franchise's pop culture references in the same way Guardians' did. I mean, the first trailer has pretty much GOT to feature Hey Jude, right?

post #79 of 783
Yeah, it'll come down to the advertising, as it almost always does.
post #80 of 783
Really digging this Sombra/Positronics app. I've found some little things here and there on production stills. Mostly portals and Walter watching back through the Black 13. There's a login for Sombra employees and some About Us type pages, talking about their private corporation that's located all over with many "outposts".

This is like my Pokemon Go, this type of AR is so appropriate for the material. The sci-fI tech aspects mixed with discovering veiled magic around you. I'm geeking.
post #81 of 783
Update: The rose sings! The closer you get to the rose, the louder you can hear it's soothing sounds.

The Crimson King sigul opens a thinny, and your phone makes todash chimes.

And this:
https://m.facebook.com/events/1746564608955018/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A98%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D

She will be signing these for fans:



That picture also opens a thinny on Charlie's face.
Edited by Raynis - 7/20/16 at 10:41am
post #82 of 783
Oy better show up eventually.
post #83 of 783
Is it weird that out of all the characters, I'm curious to see how they handle the billybumbler? I love him, but it not hard to imagine they'd reduce Oy's presence. Maybe even just a small reference or situation. But it would be interesting to see how they'd embrace it full-on.
post #84 of 783
They should just set a wild Honey badger or tanuki loose on the set. And dub in some mumbling. AKE AKE
post #85 of 783

Really interesting video interview with Elba over at Entertainment Weekly (starts just after the three minute mark if you're not interested in the Star Trek Beyond stuff) where he talks about a few things but specifically mentions how they decided on Roland's Mid-Worldian accent.

 

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We essentially ended up doing a very flat American accent that had almost an old-worldly cadence. It doesn't feel Shakespearan, I wouldn't say that, but it doesn't feel modern...

It's a bit more formal. (Dark Tower director Nikolaj Arcel) was very precise about that, in particular.

 

Being English, my general accent - when I go American - is always East Coast, and we tried to avoid that. It's a little more Mid-Western. Not Western, but Mid-Western, flat...(Roland's) accent and his voice is quite low.

post #86 of 783

Looks like I found a new desktop wallpaper, thanks to the actor playing Jake.

 

post #87 of 783

For however much this movie appears to remix the entire series (possibly for canonical reasons, as we've discussed), it's images like this that make me think they really understand the source material.

post #88 of 783
Using the term "remix" makes me positively hopeful about this. If they mean remix the same way Hannibal did, this could be gangbusters.
post #89 of 783
Damn, now you've got me dreaming of a Bryan Fuller DARK TOWER series.
post #90 of 783
I'm coming around on the remix approach after being iffy. It'll be nice to watch an adaption wondering WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT? Instead of WHAT DID THEY DO WRONG TO THIS GEEK-BELOVED PROPERTY?
post #91 of 783
I can't believe the remix approach fans have long been championing with the horn and everything is actually how they're doing this. It's so great.
post #92 of 783

the problem was, is, and forever shall be Akiva Goldsman.

 

the day I love a movie that this man wrote... will surely be a strange new day.

 

PRAYERS

post #93 of 783
He didn't write this fucking movie!

It's so weird that people are still making a stink about Goldsman. Even if he had worked on this draft (Stephen King has done more to the final script than the actual director!), a script is not even close to a final product. It gets filtered through dozens of other minds, artful or otherwise.

A script, especially an early treatment, is less than a sperm cell to the entire product. And really the only thing being carried over from Akiva's treatment is the horn (awesome) and that at the beginning of this cycle Roland has forgotten the face of his father (gasp!), which Jake helps him with. That's why he gets a screen credit.
post #94 of 783
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the problem was, is, and forever shall be Akiva Goldsman.

the day I love a movie that this man wrote... will surely be a strange new day.

PRAYERS
The script of I AM LEGEND wasnt the problem IMO. He's hit/miss though
post #95 of 783
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And really the only thing being carried over from Akiva's treatment is the horn (awesome) and that at the beginning of this cycle Roland has forgotten the face of his father (gasp!), which Jake helps him with.
Essentially, though it's a bit more than that.

The shooting script to TDT adheres to Goldsman's basic story structure. As to whether or not anything more than just the broad strokes remain, we'll have to wait and see.
post #96 of 783

I mean, I'm very open/hopeful to the possibility that only shreds of Akiva's influence will remain in the final product. And that the final product will be good.

 

so, like I said, PRAYERS.

post #97 of 783

I keep wondering if we'll get to hear Jake utter his classic line...

post #98 of 783
It just occurred to me how novel it is that there haven't been any rumors about this and IT taking place in a shared cinematic universe. As much as the idea would make some roll their eyes right out of the heads, it would actually make a unique amount of sense here.
post #99 of 783
Muschietti has said in an interview that in his mind it's in the DT universe, whether the studios align or not. So at least the consideration is there.

King has confirmed that Dandelo is It's offspring. One of the eggs, right?
post #100 of 783
Wikia's entry on Dandelo has an unsourced claim that King once responded to fan speculation by suggesting that It and Dandelo might be of the same species. I was thinking of the Turtle, which I thought was a much more unambiguous connection between the two fictional worlds.
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