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Why should I have to keep stressing this? I have no idea, but here we are.

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Really curious as to the relevance of Samwell getting to Oldtown and the big library. The most obvious thing is that there's some hidden knowledge he will discover here that proves to be a key piece of information against the White Walkers.

 

But what could it be? We already know their origin (Children of the forest), their weakness (Valareian steel), their powers (raise the dead, shake the earth?) and the zombie's weakness to fire.

 

What would be really interesting would be if Samwell would find out information as to their motivation. That's the one thing we don't really know ... instead of just being almost mindless brutes that want to kill everything, what is their ultimate goal. Is it a noble one, from a certain point of view?

 

The most obvious thing is that he finds a weakness in them, but I think we already have enough of those (including the spells around the wall that keep them at bay).

post #3 of 6021

So they say we're heading into a pair of truncated final seasons.  D&D have bandied out thirteen as the number of total episodes remaining.  Jack Bender seems to think seven episodes for Season 7.  If they're following their usual schedule, production begins late July.  It didn't take but a month after Season 5's finale to start getting director names.

 

With a limited number of slots, I'm expecting the director line-up to be the all-stars who have the most episodes under their belt.  Sapochnik is a shoe-in, as is David Nutter.  Might we see the return of Alex Graves and Alan Taylor?  Will they throw in some awesome gimmick hire?  We didn't end up getting Herzog for Breaking Bad nor Friedkin for True Detective, but the creators blue-sky'd those dudes because why the hell not?  Who would D&D try for if they had their druthers, which they probably will?


Edited by FatherDude - 6/27/16 at 4:38pm
post #4 of 6021

It was cute how that giant thing in the library was from the intro credits. Has that been what we've been seeing this whole time? Was there a Maester making a cool model of Westeros complete with Winterfell changing sigils all the time?

 

I'm hoping Sam discovers not just the White Walker info but maybe some dragon info as well? Some magical fetch quest in the ruins of old Valyria to find the super special magic MacGuffin? What if Sam's research explains just why the seasons last so long? Some kind of curse?

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Unless they've already locked him in, I'm worried they might not get Sapochnik back for next year. He's going to be in high demand, and probably across mediums (unless former GoT director Alan Taylor's recent CV has made studios wary).

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Really curious as to the relevance of Samwell getting to Oldtown and the big library. The most obvious thing is that there's some hidden knowledge he will discover here that proves to be a key piece of information against the White Walkers.

 

But what could it be? We already know their origin (Children of the forest), their weakness (Valareian steel), their powers (raise the dead, shake the earth?) and the zombie's weakness to fire.

 

What would be really interesting would be if Samwell would find out information as to their motivation. That's the one thing we don't really know ... instead of just being almost mindless brutes that want to kill everything, what is their ultimate goal. Is it a noble one, from a certain point of view?

 

The most obvious thing is that he finds a weakness in them, but I think we already have enough of those (including the spells around the wall that keep them at bay).

 

Or he finds out that the White Walkers are necessary and shouldn't be stopped.

 

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So they say we're heading into a pair of truncated final seasons.  D&D have bandied out thirteen as the number of total episodes remaining.

 

I'm guessing Season 7 is Davy v Cersei v Jon, with Season 8 being whatever's left versus the Walkers.

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I know that that prediction is the most prevalent one right now, and I'm hoping and it's not the case.

 

I think the war against the white walkers is the most boring aspect of the show, and offers no nuance, despite the brief glimpse we got into their creation, or whatever Sam might find in the library. They are ice zombies. That's it. It's a cool looking but boring villain.

 

I would much rather the show gets rid of them in the season 7 finale, and then has all the remaining characters against Dany and her dragons.

 

I don't want the finale of season 8 to be human army versus zombie army. Because obviously the humans will win that battle.

 

But in a war against Dany and her dragons, the result is less clear, and even less clear is who we would want to win that battle.

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The White Walkers being secretly good guys is such a wacky theory.  Surely the undead horde pursuing wholesale slaughter of every human they have met must have good reasons!

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Since the long winter is coming they just want to turn everybody into an ice zombie because it's easier to survive long winters if you're an ice zombie. But they probably don't have the best return policy on that zombification. 


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The White Walkers being secretly good guys is such a wacky theory.  Surely the undead horde pursuing wholesale slaughter of every human they have met must have good reasons!

 

Could be a Galactus kind of thing, where they arrive to test the kingdoms and the strong survive.

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Is Galactus not considered an asshole anymore?  I never really read FF comics.

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Well, they were created, so I don't see them as a primal force, or even upsetting some kinda ecological balance. I just think they are monsters. I agree with getting them out of the way first, and then get to the human stuff, probably fighting, and backstabbing and such.  That's probably not gonna happen though. Probably Cersie first, them White Walkers. If it does go that way, maybe the writers can make it more personal somehow. Give us their motivations, as was said above. I dunno, but I do trust these writers. This has been a fantastic show.

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They gotta go Cersei first, Night King second. They can't go the other way because they need a united army plus Dany's crew to take on the White Walkers. Not saying they ignore the North at all, gotta think Cersei sends Jamie to try and take Winterfell.

heres hoping we get a good navel battle too. They can't just have Dany march into Kings Landing that easy.
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I really hope the Night King isn't the final battle. It's such a cop out for a complicated show. It would be fun in a superhero sense, like The Avengers, of watching all the good guys team up to take on the big bad, but it would make for incredibly boring television from an emotional point of view. Just a matter of who lives or dies. 

 

I hope Dany defeats them all in season 7, and uses that victory to cement her claim as the rightful ruler and savior of the 7 Kingdoms. And then season 8 should be Westeros vs Dany and her dragons.

 

That would make for an infinitely more nuanced final conflict.  

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Surely the undead horde pursuing wholesale slaughter of every human they have met must have good reasons!

 

Let me guess!  "Humans... are a disease.  And we are (hold for it) the cure!"

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The last season focusing on the Night King would be a LOST-level misunderstanding of what makes the show work. They're not characters and we know they won't win.   They're a plot device to pre-occupy the North and give everyone a common enemy. They're pretty much a physical manifestation of winter and may as well be an endless army of bears.

 

The last big battle will probably be against them, but I don't want a unified team of heroes fighting them for 8 episodes. I want an uneasy alliance fighting them, where whoever leaves with the strongest forces will be in a position to crush the other side.

 

Then I want multiple episodes dealing with the fallout from all of this.  "Oh crap, Jon had Jaime on his side, but then Arya killed Jaime and got Jon killed and now Dany's pissed that her nephew/fiance is dead and she's taking it out on Cersei's brother Tyrion...Just as Littlefinger planned!"  That's the sort of thing I'm looking forward to.  Not, "holy cow there's a big CGI army and it'll take 4 episodes of exceptional fight choreography to defeat them!"

 

On that note, final season prediction: We find out the White Walkers are fleeing an endless army of polar bears.  Everyone falls in love with that lovable scamp the Night King when he makes googly-eyes at Brienne.

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Having the White Walkers being created by the Children of the Forrest was a weak way of explaining them. They should have been a natural phenomenon and an extension of some sort of Lovecraftian concept. Like there's unspeakable Horrors in the Northern ice and they captured the first men who encountered them, turned them into the White Walkers who in turn created their zombie slaves. The Night King and his minions are the ones who created the Wall to keep men out but, as time went on and human civilization has developed, they decided to launch an offensive when winter spread across Westeros because they can't survive in a hot climate. It should be the Walkers who bring the Wall down and unleash their full forces.

 

And once the battle is over, snow softly falls as the remains of humanity is driven south and all of the characters who fought have perished and now stand silently under the grey sky, their eyes glowing blue, for all have died.

 

THE END!!!

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On that note, final season prediction: We find out the White Walkers are fleeing an endless army of polar bears.  Everyone falls in love with that lovable scamp the Night King when he makes googly-eyes at Brienne.

 

But... what will Tormund make of this?

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Tormund has one thing The Night King doesn't...

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A great big bushy beard????

 

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It'd be wild if the entire story ended with the humans losing and the white walkers wiping everyone out...and the Night King ascending the Iron Throne.

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It'd be wild if the entire story ended with the humans losing and the white walkers wiping everyone out...and the Night King ascending the Iron Throne.

Then the final dialogue of the series is the first spoken line from the Night King.

"This chair isn't very comfortable. You know, this whole invading the South thing isn't what I expected. Nigel? Round up the wrights, let's head back home. My bad everyone, sorry to waste your time. A thousand years of winter? What was I thinking?"
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It'd be wild if the entire story ended with the humans losing and the white walkers wiping everyone out...and the Night King ascending the Iron Throne.

 

And, shortly afterward, the Night King is murdered by the Night Queen and her incestuous Night Brother.

 

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Finally a thread for us eunuchs!

 

(that's what the title means, right?)

 

Anyway, you're all missing the obvious ending: claims and dragons be damned, everyone recognizes the one and only true ruler in their midst, and crowns Queen Mormont first of her name!
 

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The Night King triumphantly walks up the steps to Iron Throne.  He sits on the Throne, unwittingly jabbing himself with a piece of Valyrian steel.  We get that quick "oh shit" look before he shatters into tiny pieces.  The End. 

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I gotta be honest, the Night King flashback in the Hodor episode gave me very heavy Lost season 6 "Origin of The Island" vibes. The amazing end sequence of the episode wiped it from my mind at the time, but the lingering doubt is still there. "We just pushed the Allspark into his chest, and the magic went wheeeeeeee-oooooo. Night King."

 

When you start getting into the mechanics of explaining your magic and mysteries, you're in very treacherous territory, especially on a TV budget and tight shooting schedule.

 

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Ha, this thread up immediately! I didn't see it or would have plopped my fanwank predictions here instead of the previous season's thread. So here's a couple more.

 

After Littlefinger makes some play Sansa snuffs out early, she arranges the marriage of Littlefinger to Lady Mormont, who will not ever take one ounce of his shit or (on Sansa's warning) consider his counsel on any matters or give him any power beyond the ceremonial, while shoring up Bear Island with his wealth. What at first will seem creepy and "No! Poor Lyanna Mormont!" ends up playing out as "HA! Suck it, Littlefinger! Enjoy living in the margins!" He is outmaneuvered and essentially disposed of. (OR SO WE THINK.)

 

What Sam discovers in Citadel is the means to bring the Wall down. It won't be Bran breaking the spells in an oopsie by going home. In whatever manner the Good Guys versus the Night King plays out to its climax, that will be the gambit Jon decides to go with: one final battle, to rid the world of the Children's Fuck Up once and for all eternity. Which will somehow involve bringing down the Wall, forever. So that in the happy ending post mortem, no more man-made border delineating Northmen from Wildlings, which has been Jon's story since he met Ygritte. And hell -- no more winter, ever. House Stark will drop "Winter is coming," and adopt new words. You read it here, first.

 

Arya never rejoins her siblings, and no one ever learns what happened to her. Just like her direwolf -- Arya was released into the wild and never heard from again. She remains loyal to her House and family, however. Living in the shadows, alone, removing Stark's enemies. But she can take it. Because she's not a hero. She's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dar--*needlescratch* Okay, that joke's been made a thousand times, but just you watch.

 

ETA: Also, and as much as I hated to see Benjen ex machina (aka Benjen Exposition) leave again so soon, I fully look forward to him showing up in the Final Battle to do some Incredibly Hardcore Metal Shit.

post #28 of 6021

Speaking of fanfic, so I watched the finale again, and they definitely made a point of Ned setting Dayne's magic sword Dawn down at the foot of the bed.  Prediction- Jon loses one special sword, but when he gets Dawn, it's an even more magical pairing than Tony Orlando.

post #29 of 6021

http://deadline.com/2016/06/game-of-thrones-season-6-finale-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-hbo-1201780242/

 

They say 70-75 episodes... meaning 10-15 more.

 

I have to imagine their voicemail is full of HBO execs chanting "fifteen fifteen fifteen".

 

post #30 of 6021

I have a feeling we're gonna have to settle for... 13.

 

post #31 of 6021
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I'm good with whatever number they land on provided they don't burn up time with superfluous scenes or at least find a way to make those seemingly superfluous scenes more relevant to whatever storyline they appear in.

I guarantee you they regret Dorne and some of what happened in Braavos.
post #32 of 6021

I'll take 50 hours of Dany in Westeros and the Starks ascendant if they're willing to dish it out.

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My prediction for the battle vs the white walkers is this: the humans do lose, more or less. Bran lives up to his name and sets the foundation for a new Wall at Winterfell, Winterfell essentially becomes the new Castle Black, and everyone in Westeros moves further south, with whatever the capital keep of Dorne is becoming Queen's Landing. A Lesson is Learnt. But the seeds are also sown that in another 3000 years or so the old societal patterns will re-emerge and the threat of the White Walkers will be forgotten and this shit is all going to happen again because people are fucking stupid.

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Meta-discussion - do you guys find that reading speculations that come true are effectively the same as spoilers? I'm addicted to reading these threads, but during the course of S6 I've found myself being "spoiled" by theories and speculations that reduced my enjoyment of the episodes. I only have myself to blame of course, and will try to stay away from the threads for S7. 

 

Just wanted to ask whether anyone else feels the same? 

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In terms of hopes for the remaining episodes, I'm gonna throw down for a Bronn-Tormund meet-up.  It'll either be a hell of a fight or the best instant friendship ever.

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Meta-discussion - do you guys find that reading speculations that come true are effectively the same as spoilers? I'm addicted to reading these threads, but during the course of S6 I've found myself being "spoiled" by theories and speculations that reduced my enjoyment of the episodes. I only have myself to blame of course, and will try to stay away from the threads for S7. 

Just wanted to ask whether anyone else feels the same?

I enjoy reading the hopes/dreams/fanfic type goofing but out of habit I pretty much unconsciously glaze over when anyone posts predictions, a trait leftover from the days when it was impossible to tell the truly pure from the faux-unsullied. What made most sense to me early on was just to assume everyone was a scallywag and ignore all the predictions, and most of the time I find I forget to snap out of that mode even now that we're 97% into uncharted waters.


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In terms of hopes for the remaining episodes, I'm gonna throw down for a Bronn-Tormund meet-up.  It'll either be a hell of a fight or the best instant friendship ever.

Tormund and The Hound would be aces too. Especially when Tormund finds out Sandor was beat up by his bae.
post #37 of 6021
The concept of being spoiled is pretty alien for me, given I knew the story up until Jon getting shivved.

Even in these last two episodes things went down as I expected, and I'd have thought the same if the internet had not existed.

I still say the opening to ten, right up till Tommen taking Kings Landing literally was one of the best sequences the show has ever done.

You can only be surprised once, but you can respect the craft many times.
post #38 of 6021

Yeah, same here.

 

Like, I had 'Battle of the Bastards' figured out before it came out. Everything pretty much played out how I expected it to play out. I even hoped Sansa would feed Ramsay to his dogs for a long time before the episode. But I still think it's one of their best episodes to date just because of how fantastic it was put together.  
 

I can deal with a predictable story if it's told WELL.  And that definitely seems to be the case with Game of Thrones.

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I can deal with a predictable story if it's told WELL.  And that definitely seems to be the case with Game of Thrones.

Absolutely. There weren't many things in the final two episodes that surprised me, but both eps were expertly done. Miguel Sapochnik's work on both episodes was as good as TV directing gets.

As for the finale, that was probably my favorite season finale since at least Hannibal Season 2.

post #40 of 6021

So you think season seven is when we'll finally found out who the handsome young man Littlefinger was going to give to Lady Olenna was? You can't just end a scene on a mysterious cryptic line and never address it, show!

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Meta-discussion - do you guys find that reading speculations that come true are effectively the same as spoilers? I'm addicted to reading these threads, but during the course of S6 I've found myself being "spoiled" by theories and speculations that reduced my enjoyment of the episodes. I only have myself to blame of course, and will try to stay away from the threads for S7. 

 

Just wanted to ask whether anyone else feels the same? 

 

I absolutely do, but I'm as invested in these threads and conversations as I am in the show itself.  I can't quit 'em.

 

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You can only be surprised once, but you can respect the craft many times.

 

That's the argument against spoiling, imo.  Why would I want to forego a unique, un-repeatable experience with a piece of work, when I have literally my entire life to respect the craft for its own sake without the added element of discovery?

post #42 of 6021

In the immediate aftermath of a season finale, when the table's usually been completely reset, my brain goes into speculation frenzy, as seen by my speculabarfing all over the place yesterday. Sorry about that. But I get it out of my system pretty quick.

 

But then once a new season begins, that part of me largely shuts down and I sink into the story, letting it tell me where it's going. And midseason in here, I try (not well, but the trying is all) to skim/not address much of the ep-to-ep guesswork on plot machinations/twists/developments that naturally goes on, because I don't actually enjoy "beating" the author by guessing what'll happen. Or at least not engage in too many nuts-and-bolts plot predictions, but more how the previous ep may have changed someone's status or character and what that might mean for their actions/motivations going forward.

 

That's the fun problem with good storytelling, is that it compels (or should) in the audience the need to know What Happens Next. When you're made to wait to find out, often you start writing the story yourself to some degree just to scratch that itch. It's the level of compulsion to scratch that itch that's different from person to person. Rub your back against a doorjamb or tree like a bear for a couple seconds on your way elsewhere (where I am midseason), or grab a bamboo backscratcher and really settle in for a few minutes of sublime backscratching (my finale aftermath), or submit to some Stephen King-esque madness in which you're eventually ripping the skin off your own flesh with your bare fingernails (go hunting for spoilers; I honestly just don't get it).

 

So where was I? Right -- So, it's clear as day: After Jorah gives Cersei greyscale, Varys and Brienne get married at Dragonstone, once it's revealed that Tyrion is actually the father of...

post #43 of 6021

The directors for Season 7 are announced.  Sapochnik is not returning.

 

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Alan Taylor: An Emmy-winning veteran of The Sopranos, Taylor helped pioneer the visual storytelling style of the show when he helmed the pivotal ninth and 10th episodes of season 1, particularly “Baelor” (the episode where Ned Stark was executed). The Thrones producers were so impressed they gave Taylor four episodes to helm in season 2 – including the premiere and the finale. Then Marvel snatched him up for Thor: The Dark World followed by Taylor reuniting with Emilia Clarke to direct her big-screen role in Terminator: Genisys. Now he’s back on Thrones for the first time since 2012.

 

Jeremy Podeswa: The Canadian director and Boardwalk Empire veteran scored an Emmy nomination for directing the show’s most controversial hour, season 5’s darkly tense “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.” This year he directed the propulsive season premiere as well as Jon Snow’s riveting resurrection episode, “Home.”

 

Mark Mylod: A four-time director on the show, the British veteran of Showtime’s Shameless and HBO’s Entourage took on this season’s uniquely textured re-introduction of the The Hound in “The Broken Man,” as well as Arya’s exciting chase sequence in “No One.”

 

Matt Shakman: A newcomer to the series. Shakman is best known for his work on FX’s It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, a comedy loved by Benioff and Weiss (the showrunners even wrote an episode, “Flowers for Charlie,” although it’s not one of the 39 episodes Shakman has directed). Shakman has also helmed episodes of AMC’s Mad Men, CBS’ The Good Wife and FX’s Fargo.

post #44 of 6021
Any idea how many episodes?

8 then 7?
7 then 6?

It is particularly germane. I'm certain Miguel will be back for 7.2.
post #45 of 6021

I'd hoped to see Neil Marshal and Michelle McLaren back as well. 

post #46 of 6021

There's always Season 8!

 

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Any idea how many episodes?

8 then 7?
7 then 6?

 

It's not been made public yet, but it'll be something like that.

post #47 of 6021
Disappointed with the director announcements.
post #48 of 6021

Yeah, no Marshall, Sapochnik, or McLaren is a bit of a bummer. Here's hoping they're being told to keep 2017-18 open. But Taylor coming back home has to be a good thing, especially if he has a chip on his shoulder.

post #49 of 6021

How different is the show going to feel next year?  I don't think there's been a more keenly felt individual loss than Charles Dance, but this last finale took out so many supporting players.  The King's Landing scenes just won't be the same without Julian Glover perving and cowering in the background.

post #50 of 6021

Sapochnik's directing an episode of Iron Fist so THAT'S something to look forward to!

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