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post #151 of 579

Yes, great little monster/morality tale. Quite enjoyed that one. And I have to say, Bill has very much entered the top tier of Companions for me so far, the actress is doing a great job and the character is interesting. It helps she's not lumbered down with the plot mystery that Clara was.

post #152 of 579
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I also liked this. The Doctor and Bill had a nice rapport throughout, aided by a script that was both playful (making fun of Bill's paranoia regarding the butterfly effect) and serious (the Doctor's speech about human equality) without one tone compromising the other. Actually, the episode - with it's scenes of fun and innocence juxtaposed by cutaways to something terrible lurking nearby - gave me flashbacks to the McCoy era, as I remember that happening frequently during his run (and it helps that, once again, The Doctor is viewed as a Professor by a young woman). And that's a good thing.

 

Also: The thing in the vault is alive, it seems. One podcast I listened to speculated that the next incarnation of The Doctor is in there, for some reason. Not sure how that would work. 


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post #153 of 579
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Also: The thing in the vault is alive, it seems. One podcast I listened to speculated that the next incarnation of The Doctor is in there, for some reason. Not sure how that would work. 

 

Time travel, obviously.

post #154 of 579
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Smile made so little an impression that it wasn't worth posting about, but I really, really liked Thin Ice.

 

Yeah, pretty much. 

 

Bill is indeed fantastic and loved her reaction to the little boy dying.  Also, the Doctor decking that guy was a thing of beauty. Glad that they actually tackled the racism of the time here instead of just brushing past it like that Shakespeare episode back in Season 3 did. This Doctor/Companion relationship is one for the books. 

 

As for what's behind the Vault? My money's on Missy/The Master. 

post #155 of 579
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Time travel, obviously.

 

 

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post #156 of 579

Ehhh. I'm not sure The Beast Below needed to be remade with a capital-B Bad Guy. Speaking of, why couldn't he just feed his totally unexplained river monster goats or some other livestock in the dead of night? Why this elaborate 'throw street carnivals so that children will be eaten' plot? I guess that's why he brags about 'not having an ounce of compassion' in the same breath that he mentions that the alternative to River Monster is hazardous coal mining.

 

Also, it seems a bit hypocritical for both the Doctor and Bill to be horrified at the imprisonment of a non-sentient creature to serve as a resource for mankind when both of them are seen enjoying meat. Is the Doctor going to shut down every dairy farm in existence too? (But of course Racist Bad Guy is killing children with the river monster, so no moral dilemma there. Plus, he's racist, so there.)

 

Sidebar: This is why I think all the rancor for a minority/female Doctor is understandable, but wrongheaded. Would every historical episode have to feature all this self-congratulatory backpatting and college freshman mindblowing? I don't know, it just seems that writing the Doctor--the man who's broken bread with Davros Space Hitler--as punching a guy for being racist is way more about a FUCK YEAH! moment for the audience than how the character would actually behave.

post #157 of 579
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I dunno. The entirety of Doctor Who is pretty much packed with The Doctor preaching peace to those around him only to suddenly do the complete opposite either as a shortcut or when the whim takes him. 

 

 

Plus, it was kind of funny.

post #158 of 579

True, but even within the episode--the Doctor can stay cool-headed about dead children, but not racism? I thought he'd been around for two thousand years. Is there really the worst bigotry he's ever encountered?

post #159 of 579
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I dunno. The entirety of Doctor Who is pretty much packed with The Doctor preaching peace to those around him only to suddenly do the complete opposite either as a shortcut or when the whim takes him. 

 

Plus, it was kind of funny.

 

The Doctor's always been beating seven kinds of Hell out of people on a regular basis. Tom Baker's era especially was vicious. 

 

Recycling this one, especially for the last few seconds:

 

 

but there's also this:

 

 

It's not just the Fourth Doctor but I still distinctly remember him beating people senseless in The Talons of Weng-Chiang for starters and I think The Android Invasion had a lot of assault and battery too. There's a lot more but that's off the top of my head for starters.

post #160 of 579
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Eminem + Doctor Who = nope.

 

Isn't there a Tom Baker episode where he mimics breaking the guy's neck but the camera lingers on the fallen minion and you see him rolling around (either because they didn't want The Doctor to be shown as the type of guy who would do that, or because they didn't have the time / budget for another take)?

 

ETA:

 

Ah, found it. My memory was half right.

 

 

post #161 of 579

That was in the first clip at the end and I can say from memory that it was Scobee in the serial The Seeds of Doom.

post #162 of 579

The Seeds of Doom is another oddity in that the Fourth Doctor runs around holding a gun like he's James Bond. The whole thing is weird (but very entertaining), as if Robert Banks Stewart started off writing a remake of The Thing, and then dropped it halfway in favor of a spy thriller with killer plants.

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The Seeds of Doom is another oddity in that the Fourth Doctor runs around holding a gun like he's James Bond. The whole thing is weird (but very entertaining), as if Robert Banks Stewart started off writing a remake of The Thing, and then dropped it halfway in favor of a spy thriller with killer plants.

 

I think it was one of those stories that ultimately led to the demise of the 6-parter as it increasingly recognised that these stories tended to be padded out. I didn't think about it at the time but didn't the main villain just jump in a plane in the UK and just fly down to Antarctica to steal the Krynoid spore? Also, how many people ended up fed to that wood-chipper??? Just a bit on the dark side, that serial, wasn't it? (and I haven't mentioned the half of what was going on either ...)

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Have you thought of thinking closer to home for the contents of the vault? The answer might be right under your nose (depending on what angle you look at your computer screen ...).

post #165 of 579
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True, but even within the episode--the Doctor can stay cool-headed about dead children, but not racism? I thought he'd been around for two thousand years. Is there really the worst bigotry he's ever encountered?


He didn't hit the guy cause he was racist. He hit him cause he was being racist to Bill, his new friend. And for the humour of not following his own advice which is a very Doctor thing to do. 

post #166 of 579
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True, but even within the episode--the Doctor can stay cool-headed about dead children, but not racism? I thought he'd been around for two thousand years. Is there really the worst bigotry he's ever encountered?


He didn't stay cool-headed about the kid.  He internalized it and it came out later.  His "I don't have time for the luxury of outrage" was bullshit - the Doctor is all outrage.

 

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I don't know, it just seems that writing the Doctor--the man who's broken bread with Davros Space Hitler-

 

And also, fun fact, blown him up on multiple occasions.

post #167 of 579
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He didn't stay cool-headed about the kid.  He internalized it and it came out later.  His "I don't have time for the luxury of outrage" was bullshit - the Doctor is all outrage.

 

 

And also, fun fact, blown him up on multiple occasions.

 

Let's not forget the time he vaporized the Master in the appropriately named Planet of Fire but he turns up again as if nothing had happened (though perhaps not later relatively speaking ...).

post #168 of 579
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That was in the first clip at the end 

 

I blame Eminem for me missing that.

 

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Have you thought of thinking closer to home for the contents of the vault? The answer might be right under your nose (depending on what angle you look at your computer screen ...)

 

* Feels under nose *

 

OMG. My moustache is in the vault!

 

* Screams *

 

* Realizes he never had a moustache *

 

* Stops screaming *

post #169 of 579
Finally got thru the 1st three episodes and I dunno. I'm just having trouble getting into it. Maybe it was the layoff, maybe it's because I didn't care for the finale last season. Can't put my finger on it.
post #170 of 579
This season's started off really weak - there's usually a couple of mediocre episodes per season - we've got them all up front this time.
post #171 of 579
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He didn't hit the guy cause he was racist. He hit him cause he was being racist to Bill, his new friend. And for the humour of not following his own advice which is a very Doctor thing to do. 


That is what I thought too. As soon as the Doctor started going on about the need for tact, I knew he was going to lose his cool. That said, it was still a good scene.

 

 I thought this was a solid episode but it didn't wow me. The idea for the story was good and I liked that the monster was the victim, but most of the scene of the Doctor and Bill interacting with the people of 1843 didn't do much for me. I did laugh when the Doctor was talking about the sad fate of Pete.

 

 As for the vault, its Jon Simm's Master.

post #172 of 579

I feel like if it was Simm's Master, they wouldn't have put him in a trailer.  With that in mind, I think it's a later version of the 12th Doctor; Nardole's insistent on him not traveling because they're trying to avoid him ending up a certain way.

post #173 of 579
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I feel like if it was Simm's Master, they wouldn't have put him in a trailer.  With that in mind, I think it's a later version of the 12th Doctor; Nardole's insistent on him not traveling because they're trying to avoid him ending up a certain way.

 

Then again, we've already done the Captain Jack in a Box.

post #174 of 579
An infuriating example of how stories that might be bullshit can be amplified in the echo chamber:

iO9 posted a story on Tuesday, stating that Eddie's Diner at Cardiff Bay had been booked for another round of shooting.

iO9's cited source is Creators.co.

Creators.co's version of the story, written by someone named Lewis Jeffries, goes further, stating that the booking is for July, and that this coincides with the scheduled shooting for the next Christmas episode.

Jeffries' cited source? "Twitter says." No Twitter account is given for the reader to trace it back.

I tweeted Jeffries this morning, when I first saw the story, asking him to cite his sources. This is potentially something pretty wonderful to look forward to, since Eddie's Diner is the set for the vestibule of Clara's TARDIS, but if Jeffries is pissing on our legs and telling us it's raining, I'd rather not have the rest of the year to spend getting my hopes up over a clickbait false rumor.

Jeffires' Twitter account can be found here.
post #175 of 579
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One of these days I'll actually earn my Whovian badge by taking the train to Cardiff and eating at that diner. Apparently they do a burger called The Rebel. I have NO idea what it is but that's the burger I'll be eating because it resembles what I am, in my heart.

 

Unless it's got gherkins in it, because fuck gherkins. 

post #176 of 579
I, too, must go there one day. In addition to the Diner's now-iconic Who status, the amateur anthropologist in me delights in the thought of seeing my own culture reflected back at me through the filter of a Welsh diner. I imagine that the cuisine is purely what a Welsh customer base imagines American cuisine must be like, and I have to experience that.
post #177 of 579
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I, too, must go there one day. In addition to the Diner's now-iconic Who status, the amateur anthropologist in me delights in the thought of seeing my own culture reflected back at me through the filter of a Welsh diner. I imagine that the cuisine is purely what a Welsh customer base imagines American cuisine must be like, and I have to experience that.

 

post #178 of 579

Okay, it's clearly The Master or Missy in the vault.  

post #179 of 579
This season is utter bobbins.
post #180 of 579

It reminds me a lot of 7B.

 

The next three episodes all look to be pretty special, though.

post #181 of 579
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This season is utter bobbins.

Help an American out. It "bobbins" good or bad?
post #182 of 579
Bobbins == Rubbish
post #183 of 579

I sorta liked the moody setting, but that was a nothing of an episode. 

 

Could've been a good episode to tell us something about Bill. I thought for a moment they were going to do some kind of "Timelord/Landlord" equivalency.  Maybe the Doctor could've done something more clever than "Ask the bad guy to half explain his backstory, then deduce the rest, and ask them to please stop. Also, undo all the deaths from the past 20 minutes because we didn't think to just make these guys complete strangers to Bill." 

 

It had good dialogue and interactions, but all in service of nothing.  Not a bad episode, but has all the pieces to be a great episode...except clever or exciting story.

post #184 of 579

I thought Suchet did a fine job with what little he'd been given. The bit at the end, changing from Father to 'little scared boy' did give him a chance to show his acting chops. Just a shame it was in such a meh of an episode. Apparently he signed up script unseen, just because he wanted to be in Who.

post #185 of 579

 It was a decent haunted house but aliens instead of ghosts, but a similar story was done much better with the 11th Doctor and Clara.

post #186 of 579

This was sort of a generic story, like one we get at least once a season, but its also the kind of story I really like. And I thought it was done really well here.  I wish they'd done the episode without the zombie thing.  Just give the suits some kind of shutdown timer to outrun and have the space station computer be the "bad guy". Or have an evil supervisor controlling things remotely.  I think they go to the "creepy mindless corpse" well a little too often.

 

Thought the production design on this was top notch and it had an ending that was clever enough.  I usually just expect the Doctor to act frantic and sort of gloss over whether or not his solution makes sense, but here, I thought it worked pretty well and was a sensible enough solution. 

 

Going into the season, I thought I'd hate Nardole, but I've actually really enjoyed him as an addition.  Also I'm digging the the university storyline.  Its kind of refreshing to spend a little less time in the TARDIS. 

 

Lastly, glad the blindness thing will stick around for at least another episode.  I might've rolled my eyes a bit when he brushed it off as something that would be easily fixed when he got back to the TARDIS. 

post #187 of 579

I thought the conclusion was built up well enough (killing us is expensive!), but the whole shocking Bill death thing was pointless and unearned. It was obvious we weren't going to kill her, but the whole 'suit didn't have enough power to kill you' thing was a bit cheap.

 

The nit picker in me had trouble with the Tardis' doors closing as well, closing the air bubble off and setting the whole story in motion. If the exterior doors opened to vent the ship, wouldn't the air corridor just extend that way too? :)

post #188 of 579
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I've always been more of a fan of the horror stuff on Who, going all the way back to my first viewing of "The Curse Of Fenric", and, whilst last week's episode didn't work for me, I thought this was really good. Jamie Mathieson might be my favorite writer of the Moffat era and (along with "Flatline" and "Mummy On The Orient Express") is pretty much three for three with me now - I hope Chris Chibnall hires him next season.

 

I thought the first line ("Space; the final frontier....") was a nice little nod to Star Trek

 

I really like The Doctor being forced to sacrifice his eyes to save Bill, particularly as it doesn't seem to be a short-term hindrance. I've read a theory elsewhere that this season might be about the slow degradation of Twelve, with him becoming increasingly damaged in various ways until he's forced to regenerate. Whilst that would certainly be novel (seeing as we're used to regeneration occurring because of one massive trauma), I'm not sure how seven episodes of him being blind might look.

 

I love the joke that they're fighting "the suits", in reference to the heads of the corporation, and the way that the solution worked in regards to the episode's internal logic.  The writer of last week's episode should take note of that.

 

Favorite episode of the season so far. 

 

EDIT:

 

Was just reading through Moffat's Guide To Season 10. There are some really interesting sounding episodes coming up (particularly "The Pyramid At The End Of The World"). I hope they live up to their summaries! 


Edited by MrSaxon - 5/14/17 at 10:35am
post #189 of 579

Extremis, The Pyramid at the End of the World, and The Lie of the Land all sound like they could be exceptional.

post #190 of 579

Ehh, like the Victorian episode, I don't think the worldbuilding holds up to scrutiny. So the evil corporation has an oxygen recycling machine--I'm guessing they don't truck in fresh oxygen--and they charge for the recycled air. Okay, so far so good. But then the current crew is inefficient, so they decide to... save money on oxygen? The oxygen that you assume has no actual worth, it just comes out of the recycler lickety-split.

 

And then they'll have to 'spend' oxygen anyway on the replacements? And they can't just fire the people and put them on the same ship that brought in the replacements (actually, in physics terms, that would be a cost-saving measure, considering how much fuel it costs to transport just a little bit of weight into space, but DW has never been The Expanse before and they didn't suggest it here). Or why couldn't they say that they've upgraded the suits to the point of not needing humans operating them and now they're saving money on air? That would at least make sense.

 

It seems like their criticism of capitalism is largely just the villain doing evil things for the lulz, which I think comes off as preachy as saying Communism is bad because this one Communist abuses his kid.

post #191 of 579

Peter Harness is up in two weeks, avian.  Prepare yourself.

post #192 of 579
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I can't wait to see what "ehhhh"-starting Avian post, that produces.

post #193 of 579
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 As the Martian hive awakes around them, the Doctor faces a unique dilemma – this time the humans, not the Ice Warriors are the invaders. When Earth is invading Mars, whose side is he on?

Ehhh... isn't that, like, every other Doctor Who story?

post #194 of 579
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, no?

post #195 of 579

Just this season, we've had a conflict between nanomachines and humans, with the Doctor taking the side of the robots. It's not unique at all for him to side 'against' humanity if he considers them in the wrong!

 

Also, the last synopsis says it will be about the Doctor's 'final battle,' but the show hasn't been canceled and I suspect he will participate in many more battles! EHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

post #196 of 579
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the whole point of that summry is that the humans are obviously the invading force against an enemy which usually plays that part themselves. And I know you love picking holes in the logic of every show you apparently watch but, c'mon, do I really have to explain why it could be designated Twelve's "final battle".

post #197 of 579

The Christmas Special had better not involve any sort of battle before Twelve regenerates!

post #198 of 579
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 Moffat's Guide To Season 10

Ooof.

 

Think I'll watch the Hinchcliffe era again. Let me know when Chibbers arrives.

post #199 of 579
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You think Chibbers will be better than Moffat? I can't remember the last time I was this nervous about a showrunner change. From what I've been told, the last two seasons of Broadchurch have been a mess.

post #200 of 579

I've had no major complaints about any of this season's episodes, and yet I'm just not wrapped up in it like I have been with previous seasons.  Maybe it was the long break dampening the enthusiasm, I don't know, but every episode ends with me thinking, "Well that was a satisfactory episode of television."  I do feel like the show seem somewhat restrained this season, in the sense that they're bound to the school and by the Doctor's (admittedly lax) self-imposed restrictions.  I mean, the Pertwee series were earth-bound for budgetary reasons, but they still managed to have some interesting menaces come to him.  That hasn't been the case for me with this season so far.

 

And I also think running this "I must stay put to keep an eye on this vault" was a poor choice for an overall story when introducing a new companion.  Part of what makes a new companion great is the mutual excitement:  the Doctor gets to show off all his toys again to someone who sees them with brand new eyes.  Capaldi and Mackie definitely have the chemistry for that, but that sense of discovery just hasn't been there enough for me.

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