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post #201 of 579

This series has been a complete chore for me up to now.

 

I like the interactions between The Doctor, Bill and narcolepsy - love all of that - but the actual stories and adventures are tedious and worn out.

 

That part at the blackboard where The Doctor explains about space - that was brilliant. Capaldi is that magnetic that you could have a whole episode of him just at that blackboard explaining stuff and it would be brilliant. Instead we have to go to a space station and deal with space zombies. And somehow that's more boring than a man giving a lecture at a blackboard. Capaldi's just too good an actor to be wasted on trite generic sci-fi fare - his best moments are his intense or quiet character moments - he's wasted with this generic stuff.

post #202 of 579
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This series has been a complete chore for me up to now.

 

I like the interactions between The Doctor, Bill and narcolepsy - love all of that - but the actual stories and adventures are tedious and worn out.

 

That part at the blackboard where The Doctor explains about space - that was brilliant. Capaldi is that magnetic that you could have a whole episode of him just at that blackboard explaining stuff and it would be brilliant. Instead we have to go to a space station and deal with space zombies. And somehow that's more boring than a man giving a lecture at a blackboard. Capaldi's just too good an actor to be wasted on trite generic sci-fi fare - his best moments are his intense or quiet character moments - he's wasted with this generic stuff.


The trouble is that the audience wants the generic stuff.

 

When you look at audience scores, the more meditative episodes - Listen, Heaven Sent, The Zygon Inversion, etc. - always tend to rate lower than the romps.

post #203 of 579
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On one hand, this super sucks. On the other, I can't picture her as any other Doctor's Master. 

 

Sure gonna miss her though.

post #204 of 579
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On one hand, this super sucks. On the other, I can't picture her as any other Doctor's Master. 

Time to bring in Alex Macqueen!

post #205 of 579

 It does indeed suck that there will be no more Missy after this season.

 

 I liked the last episode because it did find an interesting way to tell a zombie story.

post #206 of 579
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Interesting to note that next episode apparently begins a three-episode story arc. I imagine it revolves around whoever is in the vault (which I think we've all come to agree is going to be either Missy or, for whatever reason, Sim-Master).

post #207 of 579
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Interesting to note that next episode apparently begins a three-episode story arc. I imagine it revolves around whoever is in the vault (which I think we've all come to agree is going to be either Missy or, for whatever reason, Sim-Master).

 

Well, if it turns out it is Gomez ----> Jacobi ----> Simm (so that Simm's in the box), that could technically work. It's never been conclusively indicated where in the time stream her version is from.

 

Still, I tend to prefer my regenerations revealed in linear order unless they execute what they're doing especially well.

post #208 of 579

The Master's timeline is so head-spinningly complicated.

 

Here is a valiant attempt to sort it all out (divided into 14 phases!):

 

https://bradleybasement.wordpress.com/doctor-who-timelines/the-monsters-timelines-index/the-masters-timeline/

post #209 of 579
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Well, if it turns out it is Gomez ----> Jacobi ----> Simm (so that Simm's in the box), that could technically work. It's never been conclusively indicated where in the time stream her version is from.

 

Still, I tend to prefer my regenerations revealed in linear order unless they execute what they're doing especially well.

 

She knew Gallifrey was missing, so presumably post time war?

post #210 of 579
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I'm sure there will be some for whom this episode did nothing or moved too slowly, but I really enjoyed it.  I always love it when the show does something a little different and so the final revelation and the way it lead into the next episode really impressed me. Sure, we all guessed what was in the vault (I kind of wish they hadn't revealed a few episodes back that the thing inside was alive) but the flashbacks were a nice way to explain its existence and set a different tone to the rest of the episode. Also: the sudden appearance of The Pope in Bill's bedroom gave me one of the biggest laughs in some time.

 

Quite impressed that The Doctor is still blind going forward, and I'm intrigued by the introduction of this magic box that can give him something in return for something stolen from his future. I'm almost certain we'll see that again soon - most likely in the finale.

 

It's episodes like this that I'm going to really miss when Moffat leaves the show. 

post #211 of 579

Yeah, this was a good episode. Moffat is often accused of making Who into a complex set of little puzzle boxes more than stories, and I can kind of see that, but in stand alone episodes he does work these high concepts well.

 

Figured he was going to crash the system from the inside or something and that would be that. Didn't realize this was going to be an ongoing plotline.

 

Tip for simulation generating aliens:

 

Firstly, set up multi-threading random number generation routines.

 

Secondly, get your bloody firewall sorted to stop outgoing traffic from inside.

post #212 of 579
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Steven Moffat discusses "Extremis", including why the TARDIS doesn't translate The Pope and how The Doctor was originally meant to be cured of his blindness during "Oxygen".

post #213 of 579
"You don't have to be real to be the Doctor" is a great summation of the character.
post #214 of 579

I really enjoyed this episode and I knew it was Misty in the vault a few episodes ago. As for the Doctor being blind, it's actually interesting to see him not coming out of an adventure unscathed for once. Oh and Bill is awesome.

 

Next week's episode should be a lot of fun.

post #215 of 579

 I thought this was a good episode, Doctor Who meets the Da Vinci code was a different story for the show, but it wasn't wowing me until the simulation of the Doctor emailed the real one.

post #216 of 579
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A decidedly average episode for 85% of the running itme, saved by the final 15% which, in hindsight, I should have seen coming but did not. Was that first 85% worth the end result? Perhaps, although a lot will depend on how things go next week (which, going by the trailer, looks pretty good). I have a feeling that this will end up being the lesser of the three episodes in this story arc, assuming that next week lives up to "Extremis". 

 

The running joke of Bill's first date being interrupted in surreal ways makes me smile, at least.

post #217 of 579

hated the "soldiers."  At no point did they talk or act like actual human beings.

post #218 of 579
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Yup. The side story involving the research centre didn't work for me either. Really, it was only the final five to ten minutes that turned the episode around for me and, even then, it falls apart when I think too hard about it. 

post #219 of 579

The aliens are going to need to have a really good explanation as to why their invasion pre conditions are so frikkin complex.

post #220 of 579

Yeah, I'm not really feeling this story arc. At least the odd bad episode is over and done with, this just keeps going and going. It's like the showrunners got tired of Whovians complaining about how every episode should be a multiparter, so they dragged each plot point out to twenty minutes to shut them up. The world-building and characterization aren't any deeper than a one-off, as the Monks are still shallow and borderline inexplicable.

 

I especially don't buy that Bill, who has practically just met the Doctor, is willing to sell out the Earth for him already. It verges into that Doctor-as-Gary-Stu, to meet him is to love him stuff. Two weeks ago in that haunted house, she couldn't get rid of him fast enough!

 

Oh, and if you have to love the Monks to give them consent and consenting with the intent to go back on it later doesn't work ("Strategy is not consent."), then how does Bill consenting in the hopes that the Doctor can fix it later work out? And how is flash-frying people who don't consent to them hard enough supposed to make people love them? Seems like such an obvious writerly trick to show us they're nasty, as if them looking like the crafts table at The Walking Dead isn't enough.

post #221 of 579
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Yeah, I'm not really feeling this story arc. At least the odd bad episode is over and done with, this just keeps going and going. It's like the showrunners got tired of Whovians complaining about how every episode should be a multiparter, so they dragged each plot point out to twenty minutes to shut them up. The world-building and characterization aren't any deeper than a one-off, as the Monks are still shallow and borderline inexplicable.

I especially don't buy that Bill, who has practically just met the Doctor, is willing to sell out the Earth for him already. It verges into that Doctor-as-Gary-Stu, to meet him is to love him stuff. Two weeks ago in that haunted house, she couldn't get rid of him fast enough!

Oh, and if you have to love the Monks to give them consent and consenting with the intent to go back on it later doesn't work ("Strategy is not consent."), then how does Bill consenting in the hopes that the Doctor can fix it later work out? And how is flash-frying people who don't consent to them hard enough supposed to make people love them? Seems like such an obvious writerly trick to show us they're nasty, as if them looking like the crafts table at The Walking Dead isn't enough.

Yep. This season is losing my interest with each passing episode.
post #222 of 579
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I really liked "The Pilot", "Oxygen" and "Extremis" but even I find myself looking puzzled when I'm going through the AV Comments and people are declaring this the "best Nu-Who series to date". In my eyes, series five and series nine are the high points and the current series hasn't come close to either so far. 

post #223 of 579

Yeah, I've been sort-of-liking/not-hating the season well enough, I fucking LOVE Bill and think she's a great companion to 12. But I am sort of watching out of obligation more than anything else at this stage. It's alright but very few things have really been sticking with me. 

 

REALLY liked how that episode ended though. And Capaldi is always great even if the episodes around him aren't. 

post #224 of 579

Yeah, Capaldi helps immensely. I think he's been served with some of the most middle of the road episodes going though. At this stage, I'm pleased Moffat is leaving, even if I don't have high hopes for the new guy based on his pedigree. The show needs new blood from the top down, much as it did when Davies left.

post #225 of 579

I really liked and appreciated the dwarf actress being hired for the lab tech role where her size didn't factor at all in the story. I'd go so far to say her size wasn't mentioned at all in the program.

post #226 of 579
I thought the same thing. It made me think that perhaps the script didn't specifically call for a dwarf actress, but that she was simply the best actress for the part. Which of course makes *us* the old farts who can't just accept the actress without commenting on it. 🙄
post #227 of 579
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I really liked "The Pilot", "Oxygen" and "Extremis" but even I find myself looking puzzled when I'm going through the AV Comments and people are declaring this the "best Nu-Who series to date". In my eyes, series five and series nine are the high points and the current series hasn't come close to either so far. 


I think a fair bit of it is Clara rejection and simpler story arcs.  

 

I'm enjoying this season, but it still reminds me a fair bit of 7B.  And as much as I like Bill, and as much as the episodes are probably better on a per-week basis than the same point in Series 8, I really miss the more grown-up relationship the Doctor and Clara had.  I miss her being rightly furious with him.

 

I really think it boils down to Moffat basically being done.  He thought Series 9 would be his last up to writing The Husbands of River Song, and he poured everything he wanted into it.  Now he's basically just being asked to come up with more adventures, which are fun, but they don't have the spark of S5, 6, or 9.

post #228 of 579
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I think a fair bit of it is Clara rejection and simpler story arcs.  

 

I'm enjoying this season, but it still reminds me a fair bit of 7B.  And as much as I like Bill, and as much as the episodes are probably better on a per-week basis than the same point in Series 8, I really miss the more grown-up relationship the Doctor and Clara had.  I miss her being rightly furious with him.

 

I really think it boils down to Moffat basically being done.  He thought Series 9 would be his last up to writing The Husbands of River Song, and he poured everything he wanted into it.  Now he's basically just being asked to come up with more adventures, which are fun, but they don't have the spark of S5, 6, or 9.

 

Yup, this is all very true. It probably doesn't help that this season feels a bit placeholder-ish. We know Capaldi is leaving and people seem to be of the opinion that Bill won't be coming back next year (I'm not sure how concrete that is), so we're currently in that awkward place of waiting for the show to get completely refreshed again.

 

It also doesn't help that, between series six and "The Time Of The Doctor" (which is probably my favorite regeneration in the entire show), it really feels as though Moffat has already explored The Doctor facing his own demise in quite some detail, and so I'm not sure where he'll go from here. Still, I'm confident we'll get a good exit for Twelve. Capaldi certainly deserves it after the work he's been doing over these last few years. I love how calm his Doctor has become since series eight. When Ten faced imminent death, he ranted at the Heavens. When Twelve was put in the same place, he quietly told his companion to just let him die and he accepted his fate with dignity.

post #229 of 579

I have complete faith in Moffat nailing the regeneration.  Smith and McGann's regenerations were both great reflections on who they were as the Doctor without devolving into Tennant self-loathing.

post #230 of 579
I like Bill and of course Capaldi. But beyond that, I just haven't liked anything this season. It's all just been...meh.
post #231 of 579

I'm actually liking Series 10 more than I thought I was. Of the seven episodes so far, I thought only "Smile" and "Knock Knock" were middling but not bad by any means. The others have been quite good and I'm really enjoying the current (surprise) 3-parter. 

post #232 of 579

 I still like The Doctor, Bill and Nardo, but the story they where in was just OK. It at least had a couple of good quips: I wouldn't even vote of him...he's orange and I'm not just sexy.

post #233 of 579

Kind of a whimper of an ending for a three part story about Earth being taken over. 

 

Combine this episodes exterior scenes with the those space-suits from a few episodes back and they'd almost have a decent Half-Life 2 film.

 

This season's done some things I really really like.  I love that we're hardly ever in the TARDIS, I like that Missy's imprisoned and the Doctor's stuck guarding her, I surprisingly like Nardole, Bill has been great.  But these stories driving this just seem like water-down versions of stuff we've seen before.  Not bad, just fine. All of this interesting stuff is happening around the plots and I'd rather have an episode of the Doctor talking to Missy than another "companion's humanity saves Earth" story.

 

Why does BBCA think its a good idea to show a clip from the last 10 minutes of the show during a commercial break of a show I'm already watching?  I have no idea what it accomplishes aside from coming across as a sort of passive-aggressive punishment to people fast-forwarding on their DVR. Like, "Oh, you thought you'd skip our commercials, so we tricked you into watching a mild spoiler."

post #234 of 579

When will these aliens stop building machines that are vulnerable to happy thoughts?

 

It's not even based on anything anymore. A father's love for his baby is one thing, but Bill never really knew her mother! It seems that at least it should've been based on her love for her foster mother. Or is it that if I had a really rich fantasy life involving Natasha Henstridge, I could just think of Species and end the threat?

 

Also not sure about this "my companion is the best of the best!" stuff. Kinda prefer the Doctor to love everyone. Wasn't that the point of Donna, that anyone can be amazing and incredible and awesome? The alternative is weirdly Chosen One ish.

post #235 of 579

Yeah, the invaders psychic machine defeated by happy thoughts. It's Clara with her bloody leaf again or Martha bringing down the Master's network with everyone chanting the Doctor's name. A real wet fart of an episode. Total waste of a three parter.

post #236 of 579
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Yeah, I'm annoyed to see that trope again. Even more annoyed that this didn't stick the landing after such a good beginning. 

post #237 of 579

Yeah, this mini arc was the law of diminishing returns in action, but it's still the most involved I've been in this season so far.

post #238 of 579
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Yeah, the invaders psychic machine defeated by happy thoughts. It's Clara with her bloody leaf again or Martha bringing down the Master's network with everyone chanting the Doctor's name. A real wet fart of an episode. Total waste of a three parter.


It was at least better than everyone canting Doctor. Aside from some good moments from the Doctor, Bill, Missy and Nardo, this was a fine, but forgettable episode. 

post #239 of 579

The Doctor regenerating mid-season?

post #240 of 579
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Steve.... that shot was taken from the episode which aired two days ago.

post #241 of 579

Wow, these episodes have been quite memorable!

post #242 of 579
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Wow, these episodes have been quite memorable!

post #243 of 579

EastEnders' Rakhee Thakrar, who was rumored to be Capaldi's companion in Series Ten, has just been announced as McGann's companion in the audio Time War series:

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-06-05/eastenders-star-rakhee-thakrar-announced-as-doctor-whos-new-companion-in-paul-mcgann-audio-play

post #244 of 579
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 that shot was taken from the episode which aired two days ago.

Yeah Saxon, I grabbed it meself. Thot someone not current might see the picture and freak out for a second..sorry.

But still---can he just crank up the fireworks like that, willy-nilly? WTH. I record them for a friend who can't get the show.

I half  heartedly watch the show, which seems to be Capaldi's level of acting this season...you can tell he's tired.

post #245 of 579
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Ah, okay. I thought you'd seen the screenshot and didn't realize it had already aired. My mistake!

post #246 of 579

Color me surprised -- I enjoyed Empress of Mars.  It was slight but managed to be a fun little 45 minute movie.

post #247 of 579
I wish I had BBC America on my current cable plan. Someone spoiled the callback to the Jon Pertwee episodes at the end of Princess of Mars for me, and that's my favorite era of the show's history.
post #248 of 579

The makeup on the Ice Queen reminded me of Judge Death,

and how  that character could be done as practical FX for the Megacity tv series.

post #249 of 579
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I thought this was going to be terrible, based upon the trailer. I ended up enjoying the hell out of it and, as Steve points out, the practical FX was really great. I haven't looked up who played the Ice Queen but I thought she did a wonderful job. 

post #250 of 579
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that's my favorite era of the show's history.

 

Interesting to know! Most Americans go with the Tom Baker era, I've found.

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