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post #451 of 1009

If Clips don't come back it's partly my fault.

 

During that Rockets series a few years ago they were up 3-1. After The Rox won 2 in a row and forced a game 7, I switched alliances for the game, rooting for BEARDFORCE to complete the comeback.

 

Clips lost, and my betrayal coupled with the already powerful Clips Curse has jinxed them ever since.

 

I need some Hoodoo magic up in here.

post #452 of 1009

Elvis, I hate to see you do this to yourself.  You're a good guy-- the Clippers seriously don't deserve you.  You could do so much better.

post #453 of 1009

After DeAndre misses two more free throws, Hayward makes a basket to put the Jazz up 13 with under 40 seconds left.  P.J. Carlesimo, "That may be the dagger there."

 

...

post #454 of 1009
I don't know what's funnier, that the Clippers have been knocked out of the first round in back to back seasons or that they're going to end up giving max-contracts to all the guys that couldn't get them past the first round of the playoffs.
post #455 of 1009
Thread Starter 

The Clippers have once again made history in true Clipper fashion. They are the first team to give up series leads and lose in 5 consecutive seasons.

 

Even during the most successful run in their history, they are still the Clippers. 

post #456 of 1009

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/los-angeles-clippers-chris-paul-choke-overrated-clutch-free-agency-043017

 

Quote:
So is Paul actually the least clutch and most overrated player in the NBA, as a significant portion of the basketball world believes?
post #457 of 1009

The most important advice I have ever received in life, and advice surely pertinent to the Point God:

Don't complain too much.

post #458 of 1009

I miss when series ended like this:

 

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/858534019104784384

post #459 of 1009

This is the better CP3 article:

 

The Last Days of the Point God

Chris Paul and the Clippers are on the brink of elimination and the future of Lob City is on the line. What is the lasting legacy of this team, and its leader, CP3?

 

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-chris-paul-los-angeles-clippers-last-days-of-point-god-15136ed190b2

 

 

"In December 2011, the Clippers stole Chris Paul away from the Lakers. Everyone lost their freaking minds. This was like a random jobber winning the WWE title, or Fredo stealing the Corleones from Michael. The Clippers were … cool? Lob City was … a thing? My Clippers tickets were … in demand? With Kobe hitting the 26th mile and the dopey Buss kids spreading their wings, for the first time, the Clippers had a chance to own Los Angeles.

 

Of course, we never imagined that trade would mushroom into this century’s biggest NBA-related “What if?”"

post #460 of 1009

Fun Chris Paul fact: This past series with the Jazz put him ahead of Kirk Hinrich as the player with the most postseason games played without making it to a conference final.

post #461 of 1009

I've been thinking about this old Bill Simmons 'Open Letter To Blake Griffin' linked in the CP3 article a lot last 24 hours. A breathtaking reminder of the weight of the historic fuckups and how impactful the Curse really is:

 

Open letter to Blake Griffin

 

http://www.espn.com/general/page2/story?id=4283136&src=desktop

 

"All that stuff happened in the past. That's exactly what it is: It's in the past. No one can do anything about it now. If I am with the Clippers, it's going to be all about the future. No disrespect to anybody, but I could care less what happened 20 years ago, 15 years ago."
 

-- Blake Griffin

 

 

Oh, Blake, if you only knew...!

post #462 of 1009

Anyway, Go Rockets!

 

I feel that revenge series with the W's coming!

post #463 of 1009

Well that game was fucking incredible. IT4 is a genuine force, but I admit to being a bit sour about it: they don't let anyone defend the guy for shit. Its either easy buckets or going to the line.

 

I find myself rooting for the Rockets to run the table, propelled by these ridiculous shooting displays. That may be the only way to force a reckoning: I thought that game was silly and mostly laughable. Just nothing but chucked-up threeballs. Its barely recognizable as basketball. Yeah, its entertaining, and absolutely its smart. But the league must address this style of play through the ruleset, the sooner the better. There is too much that is lost here, that makes up the essence of the sport. Its alarmist, but its also where this thing is going: the math dictates that even the Rockets 3-ball jackapalooza has yet to achieve peak efficiency. 

 

So let is go out in an astonishing blaze. Its been a decade of guard dominance. Its time to swing the dial the other way. You gotta let em play some defense out there past the three-point line. 

Seriously. 

post #464 of 1009
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
 

Well that game was fucking incredible. IT4 is a genuine force, but I admit to being a bit sour about it: they don't let anyone defend the guy for shit. Its either easy buckets or going to the line.

 

I find myself rooting for the Rockets to run the table, propelled by these ridiculous shooting displays. That may be the only way to force a reckoning: I thought that game was silly and mostly laughable. Just nothing but chucked-up threeballs. Its barely recognizable as basketball. Yeah, its entertaining, and absolutely its smart. But the league must address this style of play through the ruleset, the sooner the better. There is too much that is lost here, that makes up the essence of the sport. Its alarmist, but its also where this thing is going: the math dictates that even the Rockets 3-ball jackapalooza has yet to achieve peak efficiency. 

 

So let is go out in an astonishing blaze. Its been a decade of guard dominance. Its time to swing the dial the other way. You gotta let em play some defense out there past the three-point line. 

Seriously. 

agreed 100 percent, the touch fouls have to go, they are so inconsistently called anyway. Allow a player to defend without a cheap whistle and lets find out who the best players really are. 

 

I attend 4-8 AAU and HS games every weekend. The defense there, the physical play, just make for a better test. 

post #465 of 1009

Shit.....

 

 

 

Former NBA star Brandon Roy shot in leg near L.A.

 
 
 
"Former NBA All-Star Brandon Roy was shot in the leg outside his grandmother's house near Los Angeles, a person with knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports' Sam Amick.

 

The person requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

 

Someone opened fire randomly outside his grandmother's house, and he was shielding some of the kids who were there, the person said."

post #466 of 1009

I was thinking about BEARDFORCE's handles. Not as flashy as Steph or Kyrie, and he's a sloppy dribbler at times, but he might be best at breaking ankles.  His crossover is hypnotic.

post #467 of 1009

Well, Parker sure looks done. Big opportunity for Houston.

post #468 of 1009

Ooooooor not!

post #469 of 1009

This was written before today, but it's worth a read.  I can relate.

 

 

The Hardest Part is Letting Go

It’s almost over.

 

http://www.raptorshq.com/2017/5/6/15566116/nba-playoffs-2017-toronto-raptors-letting-go-kyle-lowry-demar-derozan

post #470 of 1009

So the only game of this entire round that was decided by <10 points was in service of a sweep.

 

Between this year and last, we can officially put to rest the nutty conspiracy theory that the NBA fixes games. This is probably the most boring two-year stretch of playoffs I've ever seen in any sport.

 

We desperately need a game 7 thriller out of HOU/SA or BOS/WSH...

post #471 of 1009

Its a function of the increased focus on three-point shooting. The variance in scoring is juiced as a result, leading to more blowouts.

 

League's gotta do something about it.

post #472 of 1009
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhukov View Post
 

Its a function of the increased focus on three-point shooting. The variance in scoring is juiced as a result, leading to more blowouts.

 

League's gotta do something about it.

It's really a simple solution. Allow more physical perimeter defense, get rid of guys like williams and Harden drawing touch fouls on 3 pointers and you will see a much better game. But the general public likes scoring and numbers, so I doubt we will ever see such a change. 

post #473 of 1009

What a disastrous stretch run for the Rox and Harden in OT.

post #474 of 1009

The Legend of Manu!

post #475 of 1009

And Kawhi is gimpy. This playoffs is just one step forward, two steps back!

post #476 of 1009
Thread Starter 

The playoffs really show how basketball transcends numbers and analytics. Matchups and effort are so different. In the regular season, give me Isaiah Thomas to win as many games as possible, but come playoff time, Rajon Rondo takes his lunch money. Harden looks all-world during the regular season, looks inconsistent and overrated in the post season. The list goes on and on. That is why Lebron is so damn amazing. The fact that he can still find this gear after playing so much gives legitimacy to talking about him with the all time greats whether he wins another title or not. 

post #477 of 1009

I am coming to terms with rooting for LeBron against the Dubs. I am truly surprised and amazed that GOAT status is something that we might have to start taking seriously. I've been a dedicated hater and naysayer for so long, but he just keeps rolling up the competition. Its frustrating that the whole season seems reduced to just two teams, but I guess that's the only way this kind of titanic struggle can exist. 

I still want to see John Wall lick some shots tho. The Warriors are coming out of the West with little to no resistance, but I still believe the Wiz will bloody up LeBron before all is said and done.

post #478 of 1009
I just had to laugh at the head jerk from Harden on that Manu block. Any of you think that should be penalized the way flops are (monetarily or otherwise)? I don't know myself, as I can't bring myself to watch much of guys like him I don't like, so I don't know if he continues to do it over and over (but the one time I catch a glance, it's the Manu block highlight, and there it is.
post #479 of 1009
I think GOAT talk has become so tiresome nowadays (no offense, Zhukov). It takes away from the fact the game is a team sport, and is best when that is emphasized. It seems to have come about because of Jordan, and then everyone chasing him, but that also resulted in a lot of outsized egos...and bad iso ballers and chasing ringzzzz to validate individual achievments. I think the most that maybe we should talk about when GOAT'ing people is GOAT at their position. At least that keeps it in context of players being part of an overall whole.
post #480 of 1009
...But even that will get problematic, as positions are fluid more and more. So I dunno. Even GOAT team is ehh. Let's just do top 5's like people do for rappers. 5 makes a team anyhow. (Not trying to start that in this thread though, as tempted as I am)
post #481 of 1009

Doesn't an emphasis on team speak to LeBrons submission, tho? The GOAT issue came about because, for the first time there was an undisputed GREATEST player to ever play the game. Of course that becomes a bedrock part of the conversation. Nobody gets too worked up about Gretzky being the Hockey GOAT - its just accepted. Same goes for Ali (at least, as far as most decent thinking people go). Jordan elevated himself to that rarefied air in a manner that suggested his body of work could never be approached.

 

Kobe chasing that impossible standard was absolutely a narrative - and one of the best in sports history. Kobe's greatness is kind of undersold by dismissing the GOAT as a topic of conversation, because his entire career was dedicated to chasing that, even though it was plainly an impossible task.

 

But LeBron is chasing that title from an entirely different angle. Its fascinating and worth talking about (imo).

 

Positional GOATs? That's dope. I think everyone has a defensible Top 15-20 in their head at any one time that can fill the slots. One of the most entertaining debates to be had is who was the GOAT PF of the 2000s? Clearly it goes to Duncan. But he also played a a lot of Center, so then we get to the Dirk or KG debate. Which is always worth having.

 

Where does D-Wade fall in the Historical SG category? I always take the chance to argue his prime was juiced, and tied more to the perimeter rule changes of 2005-2007, more than anyone (except maybe Steve Nash).

But as far as GOAT flops go:

post #482 of 1009

Top 5, easy:

Jordan
Kareem
LeBron

Bird
Wilt

post #483 of 1009
Lotta good points for discussion there, and I love that more than just X" player is GOAT period" sort of comments you'd get elsewhere. Just gonna touch on one for the time being, since it is actually someone who I had in mind when I posted that:

Duncan would be in my top 5 actually. (Makes top 3, and less, actually). 5 rings, yes, but basically spread over different eras. Not even Jordan did that. But see, this illustrates the team thing I want emphasized more, because the makeup of the team and the coaching helped get those rings, which is true for most maybe. And for me, if you are gonna be a top player in this game on my list, you gotta be a top teammate. So Duncan, yeah. (Not to mention that he kinda goes under the aforementioned positional fluidity topic, since like you mentioned, there was the PF/C thing with him)
post #484 of 1009
And yeah, LeBron fits the team thing, though I'd argue for his earlier days where he was maybe more Magic-like with his ball distribution
post #485 of 1009
When I think of a top 5 by the way, I think I'd end up making my starting dream team of a bunch of dudes who would basically play the way the Steve Kerr Dubs play, but not necessarily having the "splash" component (since that is much a modern development). So basically dudes who would put up numbers, but look for the extra pass just as much too.
post #486 of 1009

IGUANADONIC STARTING 5

 

PG NICK VAN EXEL

SG GINOBLIS

SF Dr. J

PF CWEBB

C SABONIS

oh man what would be the best video game to assemble that lineup? That looks like the most entertaining shit ever.

post #487 of 1009
Don't know, but it would have to be played on NBA Live '0-something, for maximum run and fun, no? Just to bring it back to the current season discussion though....how about the all unicorn squad: Jokic, Alphabet, Zingis, KAT, and though he doesn't fit the 7 footer doitalls, for that very same reason, Draymond, cuz...someone gotta be small. Actually, I am not sure who the 3 on that squad is. Dray and Alpha at the guard spots for sure. I know I might be missing a unicorn but those were off the top of me dome
post #488 of 1009

I'm bringing T-MAC off the bench for the IGUANADONS.

 

the 3 spot on your squad belongs to GIANNIS


cmon man!

post #489 of 1009
Yeah but I already put him at guard, cuz none of Jokic, Zing, nor KAT should be guarding backcourt players, should they?
post #490 of 1009
Also, I'd round out your second team, in addition to T-Mac: Run TMC and Vlade. Am I a worthy assistant GM? One more big is needed I think.
post #491 of 1009

Lets bring Boogie it will be crunk

post #492 of 1009
12th man because I have to, and then I gotta finally get some sleep, whoa: The Worm, to board and D-up.
post #493 of 1009

yuuuuuuh good call.

 

Get my man Rick Adelman on the sideline, one of the most slept on.

 

Mascot can only be SQUATCH

post #494 of 1009
Adelman is one coach out there, outside of maybe some college guys, who I would take a first look at if I was a GM in need of a coach today. Hopefully all is well with him and his family, but he is one guy who I wish got a ring coaching (but I don't know if he ever got one in that or any other capacity). The current saga of Kings sucktitude started way back with his firing, imo.
post #495 of 1009

Harden going full Claude Rains tonight.

post #496 of 1009
Thread Starter 

Elimination game: 2/10 with 6 turnovers. Classic Harden mixed with classic Antoni = meaningless stats all season and playoff humiliation. 

post #497 of 1009

And the Spurs were missing Parker and Leonard on the road. Great game for them, soul-crushing loss for Houston.

post #498 of 1009

Well, the Warriors are looking hideous, so I had plenty of time to notice other things... like the ref watching Leonard shoot, twist his ankle and fall, and call a foul despite there being no contact.

 

The NBA could instantly improve their sport with one simple instruction to their refs: DON'T GUESS!!!

post #499 of 1009

Had it all the way.

post #500 of 1009

YEEEEHAWWWWW!

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