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post #451 of 1380
Starting to smell funny in here.
post #452 of 1380
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remember "Tuvix"?

LOLz

I remember that being strange in that it was a great hour of dramatic television while also making the main characters the most deplorable people. Tuvix begs Janeway not to kill him and asks the crew for help only they just sit and ignore him. Only The Doctor shows to be the most ethical by refusing her orders to kill him. It's such a well done morality tale, but it's so bizarre the writers really crossed the line with making the characters complicit in murder.
post #453 of 1380
Voyager. Ugh.
post #454 of 1380

i remember buying the pilot episode for Voyager on VHS and telling everyone that it was the best Star Trek show EVER. For some reason they never showed the series where I lived (or perhaps it aired on satellite television which I didn't have at the time) and so I didn't realise how far from "best Star Trek EVER" it was until I started going online and seeing how it was regarded.

 

In my defence, I was in my teens and the show had a pretty kick-ass pilot. 

post #455 of 1380

I never got into Voyager and only watched the occasional re-run, so had to look up Tuvix . For some reason there's hardly any video of this episode available for free online, but it has to be as horrible as it looks and sounds. Moral dilemmas aside, KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!





 

post #456 of 1380
I love the initial episodes for trying to work with the central premise before quickly turning into TNG Lite.

My favorite is "Prime Factors" where Tuvok decides to break the Prime Directive because he knew his captain wouldn't allow herself to make that choice so he took the initiative and the burden justifying it as "logical".

S4 is actually good though, the only really good one from that show.
post #457 of 1380
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I love the initial episodes for trying to work with the central premise before quickly turning into TNG Lite.

Perhaps it kinda goes without saying, but I personally feel like everything post TNG was really more or less a continuation of that series, and as much as I like TNG it wasn't necessarily the strongest foundation to build such a giant franchise off of, but the producers certainly didn't see things that way and so Voyager and DS9 (which was certainly a far better show) were never distinct enough to really be their own thing, and I think that was the central flaw that ultimately killed the franchise. Even when we got Enterprise, where they had ample opportunity to explore entirely new stories, there were so many callbacks to TNG (or even TOS) it seemed that more often than not they were more worried about making everything fit into canon than telling a good story, but really those moments were just lazy fan service.

 

post #458 of 1380
What killed Trek was over saturation and too much mediocre quality by the 2000s. I think DS9 was distinct enough to be its own thing and has largely gained more praise since it ended, but VOY and ENT certainly suffered from a certain staleness. Brannon Braga recently admitted with the blu-ray releases that by the time ENT began he started feeling very worn out over Trek and that reflected on the quality of the show. I'd say by the latter half of the show when new blood was injected that the quality was more substantial, but it had already lost so much of its large audience in the beginning (the ratings were very big at first before it nosedived over time) that there was no way to fully recover.
post #459 of 1380
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

What killed Trek was over saturation and too much mediocre quality by the 2000s. I think DS9 was distinct enough to be its own thing and has largely gained more praise since it ended, but VOY and ENT certainly suffered from a certain staleness. Brannon Braga recently admitted with the blu-ray releases that by the time ENT began he started feeling very worn out over Trek and that reflected on the quality of the show. I'd say by the latter half of the show when new blood was injected that the quality was more substantial, but it had already lost so much of its large audience in the beginning (the ratings were very big at first before it nosedived over time) that there was no way to fully recover.

What I'm getting at is that the direction they took post TNG to stick to one era and extend that universe and make it all work together as part of one solid thing ultimately work out vert well, that didn't necessarily have to be the case I suppose but it is what it is, and of course that all boil's down to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's oversight of Trek in those years, and I'm sure there's all kinds of important details I'm out but the gist of it is that Trek under their watch (especially in the latter half of that period, although I don't see how anyone could consider the first couple seasons of DS9 good) was much more of a corporate thing and they took much less risks and really played things by the numbers and it all became more and more stale over time.

 

post #460 of 1380
It's sort of both. The old guard was getting worn out while UPN was looking over their shoulders wanting something more familiar like TNG than something fresh (Braga wanted the first season of ENT set entirely on Earth to focus on the launch of the first exploration ship).

That's part of why DS9 was able to do its own thing because they were given less attention by the studio and Berman. DS9 was able to stay ahead of VOY well in the ratings despite having lesser marketing and a serial format that was less viewer friendly. It never reached the heights of popularity like TOS and TNG, but it was able to hold its own.

I do think the extended universe idea was promising, but TNG and DS9 only overlapped for a season and a half, only using a few crossover elements the biggest being the Maquis. Then VOY was set on the other side of the galaxy, making crossovers even less likely (though they did have Robert Picardo make an appearance as the inventor of the holographic Doctor, but for a story unrelated to VOY).

And yeah, I do think the first two DS9 seasons are good. Certainly more consistent than the early seasons of TNG, VOY, and ENT, but they are dwarfed by the much better seasons 4-7.
post #461 of 1380
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And yeah, I do think the first two DS9 seasons are good. Certainly more consistent than the early seasons of TNG, VOY, and ENT, but they are dwarfed by the much better seasons 4-7.

Eh I think it's a fair statement to say we all like our fair share of crap. But it should go without saying it was better than the first couple seasons of TNG, although I think it's important to remember it's also 100% built on everything that show established.

post #462 of 1380
I thought the pilot did an excellent job at establishing its own setting that you didn't need to see TNG to understand what it's about. The whole history with Bajor and Cardassia is pretty well reiterated for newcomers who might have missed the two episodes that introduced the them prior in TNG. Then to add its own flourishes like the Dominion to raise the stakes.

The way VOY tied in the Maquis in the pilot was less clear. All you were given was a crawl text of border disputes and they're ultimately dropped quickly in the show.
post #463 of 1380
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I thought the pilot did an excellent job at establishing its own setting that you didn't need to see TNG to understand what it's about. The whole history with Bajor and Cardassia is pretty well reiterated for newcomers who might have missed the two episodes that introduced the them prior in TNG. Then to add its own flourishes like the Dominion to raise the stakes.

The way VOY tied in the Maquis in the pilot was less clear. All you were given was a crawl text of border disputes and they're ultimately dropped quickly in the show.


I don't disagree in principal, this is all very true, but in practice DS9 still relied on the audiences familiarity with the Star Trek Universe as it was portrayed in TNG, as a foundation to build their story on, and many of the key elements (whether or not they were reexplained in DS9 is a moot point I think, the point is they weren't new original things) first appeared in TNG, the Bajorans, the Cardassians, the Trill symbiotes, the Ferengi  and not to mention the whole 24th century setting and many of the shows recurring characters originated in TNG, while even more were planned, Dax for example was originally going to be Ensign Ro, and later on Worf was added in season 4 purely to boost ratings.

I totally get why people like DS9, and I'll agree it was a solid show, but it absolutely would not have worked as anything but a companion series/follow up to TNG and for me it was the least Star Trek-like series of them all (the show is also distinguished alongside Voyager for having the least popular characters in Star Trek)  and often times it was stretching out stories over a season that could have been told in 1 or 2 episodes, although all of this was much more the case with Voyager. Love or hate TNG the entirety of Voyager could have been nothing more than a two parter special on DS9 featuring Wesley Crusher and the Traveler.

post #464 of 1380
Am I to understand you don't adore deep space 9 and consider it the best Trek?

I've never encountered one of your species before, how fascinating.
post #465 of 1380
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Starting to smell funny in here.

 

I think Stocks has been stockpiing his tribbles around here. 

 

If the Suicide Squad reviews turn out to be true, this is going to emerge as my favorite summer movie by a mile. I did not see that coming. 

post #466 of 1380
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I don't disagree in principal, this is all very true, but in practice DS9 still relied on the audiences familiarity with the Star Trek Universe as it was portrayed in TNG, as a foundation to build their story on, and many of the key elements (whether or not they were reexplained in DS9 is a moot point I think, the point is they weren't new original things) first appeared in TNG, the Bajorans, the Cardassians, the Trill symbiotes, the Ferengi  and not to mention the whole 24th century setting and many of the shows recurring characters originated in TNG, while even more were planned, Dax for example was originally going to be Ensign Ro, and later on Worf was added in season 4 purely to boost ratings.

You could make the same argument for TNG relying on the familiarity of TOS as that was for all intents and purposes a riff on the original show, I don't think that's weakness so long as it manages to ultimately find its own groove. Also, Ro was supposed to be the role that ultimately became Kira (they even subtly mention that in the pilot with O'Brien asking Sisko if he ever worked with Bajoran women). I'm glad it was Kira instead because that allowed her to have a more unique backstory as a former terrorist and not be Starfleet. Worf being added certainly was to boost ratings, but how he was added and integrated into the story and dynamic was handled so well that it's not something of an issue.

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I totally get why people like DS9, and I'll agree it was a solid show, but it absolutely would not have worked as anything but a companion series/follow up to TNG and for me it was the least Star Trek-like series of them all (the show is also distinguished alongside Voyager for having the least popular characters in Star Trek)  and often times it was stretching out stories over a season that could have been told in 1 or 2 episodes, although all of this was much more the case with Voyager. Love or hate TNG the entirety of Voyager could have been nothing more than a two parter special on DS9 featuring Wesley Crusher and the Traveler.

I think its strength is in how different it is from the two shows that aired alongside it and it wore it well. It had to be different in order to stand on its own and not feel like just another riff on the same premise. There's a reason it's set on a Cardassian station instead of a Federation one with all the familiar Okudagrams. It's only part of why I think it's the strongest of all the shows that came after TOS.
post #467 of 1380

Finally saw this. I'll make the time to read the whole thread tomorrow and see what's what...but initial take is liked it, didn't love it. Casting remains THE strength of the rebooted franchise. Writing/plotting remains THE weakness.

 

Loved Jaylah. Liked what they tried to do with Krall (though it didn't work).

 

They continue to fucking up Kirk and Spock, though. (The friendship.) And Karl Urban's a hoot, but it's almost parody in the film rather than homage or straight performance.

 

Come at me, bros.

post #468 of 1380
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

They continue to fucking up Kirk and Spock, though. (The friendship.)

Curious to read more of your take on this.
post #469 of 1380
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post


You could make the same argument for TNG relying on the familiarity of TOS as that was for all intents and purposes a riff on the original show, I don't think that's weakness so long as it manages to ultimately find its own groove. Also, Ro was supposed to be the role that ultimately became Kira (they even subtly mention that in the pilot with O'Brien asking Sisko if he ever worked with Bajoran women). I'm glad it was Kira instead because that allowed her to have a more unique backstory as a former terrorist and not be Starfleet. Worf being added certainly was to boost ratings, but how he was added and integrated into the story and dynamic was handled so well that it's not something of an issue.

I don't disagree with any of this, I'm just saying that I think some DS9 fans take things a little far as though it's some completely separate thing when it's really an offshoot of the same brand 100%. I think it's a huge stretch to call it the strongest series since TOS, if It worked better for you than TNG that's fine, but ratings tell a completely different story. Not to equate a show's financial success with quality, but it goes further than that, there's stuff in Voyager that has become more a part of the pop culture lexicon than anything in DS9.

Also, just saw Beyond again and actually on second viewing I think this really is the strongest Trek film since Undiscovered Country.

post #470 of 1380
You could call VOY more successful and iconic than FIREFLY, but I doubt you could find many that would agree with that sentiment or maybe I'm seriously underestimating VOY's standing in pop culture.

DS9 doesn't have to be iconic for me to call it a better show, it just needs to be a consistently better made show, so much I'd go as far as calling it better than TOS despite not being anywhere near iconic.
post #471 of 1380
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You could call VOY more successful and iconic than FIREFLY, but I doubt you could find many that would agree with that sentiment or maybe I'm seriously underestimating VOY's standing in pop culture.

I would just assume anyone making that claim is trolling, I don't even know where you're coming with that, that's hardly comparable to someone making the statement that TNG is a better show than DS9.

In the case of Voyager and Firefly, one is a show that remained on air much longer than the other but was constantly criticized by Star Trek fans, the other became a legitimate pop culture phenomenon despite it's short life on the air.

In the case of TNG and DS9, well one remains a massive pop culture success, and the other never really was.

I do agree DS9 was a much more consistent show, that it was more polished and so on, that goes without saying. It didn't suffer through 3 seasons of turmoil behind the scenes with writers coming and going and so on. But, personally I tend to side more with those who felt it was more like a soap opera with regular every day drama rather than a bold new take on Trek that was darker, edgier cooler, though I also think it was a very solid show. I just can't at all get on board the hype train of DS9's many vocal fans on the internet who insist that it was the best thing ever.

post #472 of 1380
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In the case of Voyager and Firefly, one is a show that remained on air much longer than the other but was constantly criticized by Star Trek fans, the other became a legitimate pop culture phenomenon despite it's short life on the air.

Can you really call FIREFLY that? You can definitely make the case that it has become well revered in sci-fi/geek circles, but outside of that?
post #473 of 1380
Moreso than Voyager, that's for certain.
post #474 of 1380
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Moreso than Voyager, that's for certain.

Won't argue with that. Their attempt at making Neelix a breakout character was embarrassing. They eventually did with Seven, but that's probably the most you can claim.
post #475 of 1380

I don't think you can even claim that so much as that Seven of Nine was a big hit because Jeri Ryan is a ridiculously hot mega milf.

post #476 of 1380
Can't disput that. Kind of a blessing she turned out to be one of the better written characters of the show. It's weird they got that that character well down, but most of the others were largely forgettably bland (oh hi, Harry Kim).
post #477 of 1380

I feel like the same exact thing happened to T'Pol.

post #478 of 1380
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Finally saw this. I'll make the time to read the whole thread tomorrow and see what's what...

Hope you're looking forward to reading page after page of unrelated TrekWank!
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post #480 of 1380
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They continue to fucking up Kirk and Spock, though. (The friendship.)

Curious to read more of your take on this.

 

Lemme clear some crap off my desk and I'll opine further.

post #481 of 1380
I look forward to it.

I thought this film's treatment of Kirk was a major improvement over the last two, which I thought treated him like the butt of the joke too much. It was also extremely pleasant to see Pine finally shine more as the believable introspective commander instead of like the last two where he seemed act like a dude-bro that looked forward to a five year mission as if it were a massive beer pong game at a frat party.


"I even kill at baseball, Pointy!"
post #482 of 1380

I don't know, I kind of like Kirk's arc from the first film to now. Pine played Kirk in what I imagine would happen if he lost his father before he knew him. Then dying at the end of Into Darkness and being resurrected, it makes sense he would mature to the Kirk of the Original Series by this point in the film series.

post #483 of 1380
Either way, I'm glad his Kirk changed for BEYOND.

Also, Roberto Orci speaks! He's been tweeting about what his own ideas for Trek 3 were before Paramount booted him off the project. It pretty much confirms everything we've heard.

“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​


Sounds like he wanted to do some DAYS OF FUTURE PAST riff.
post #484 of 1380
God, that sounds awfull. An 80 year old Shatner having a shoehorned in cameo? No, thank you!
post #485 of 1380
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​

 

Are they keeping any of his ideas for the next one? Is Trek 4 is gonna sub in Hemsworth for Shatner?

 

Isn't the plot of the next one going to at least bridge the gap between timelines?

post #486 of 1380
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

Either way, I'm glad his Kirk changed for BEYOND.

Also, Roberto Orci speaks! He's been tweeting about what his own ideas for Trek 3 were before Paramount booted him off the project. It pretty much confirms everything we've heard.

“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​


Sounds like he wanted to do some DAYS OF FUTURE PAST riff.

 

Not surprised that he focuses on Spock and Kirk again. One of the things I loved about Beyond is that it feels like a crew story again. 


Edited by MrSaxon - 8/4/16 at 7:09am
post #487 of 1380
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Are they keeping any of his ideas for the next one? Is Trek 4 is gonna sub in Hemsworth for Shatner?

Isn't the plot of the next one going to at least bridge the gap between timelines?

It sounds like it. They probably thought the premise itself was strong enough to save for the next film so there would be time to polish it up into whatever it needed to be. I think it's a very solid premise, and I'm extremely confident that had Orci did it his way he would have fucked it up as badly as his other scripts. It has the potential to be something compelling like "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "Yesterday's Enterprise", and I doubt Orci would have delivered on that if in charge.
post #488 of 1380

I just randomly remembered Bones' "You gave your girlfriend a tracking device?" line and started laughing to myself in the office like a mad man. 

 

That's the sign of a good comedy moment.

 

Or that I'm insane.

post #489 of 1380
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I just randomly remembered Bones' "You gave your girlfriend a tracking device?" line and started laughing to myself in the office like a mad man. 

My favorite is the silent exchange between Spock and Bones as the latter noticed Uhura holding that necklace.

Anyway, looked more onto Orci's tweets, he confirmed he will not be involved with Trek 4 as he's backing off the franchise. It's reassuring to read that.
post #490 of 1380

One of my favorite smaller moments from 'Beyond' was while traversing the nebula, Kirk gives a brief look to a preoccupied Spock.  Pine really sells it as "Hey, something on your mind?  Well, we can talk about it afterwards."  That shot sold myself on their friendship more than anything in the previous two movies.

post #491 of 1380
Isn't it nice that we don't have assholes for protagonists in a nuTrek film?
post #492 of 1380
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

Either way, I'm glad his Kirk changed for BEYOND.

Also, Roberto Orci speaks! He's been tweeting about what his own ideas for Trek 3 were before Paramount booted him off the project. It pretty much confirms everything we've heard.

“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​


Sounds like he wanted to do some DAYS OF FUTURE PAST riff.

 

"On the one hand, we can save billions of innocent Vulcans. On the other hand, Spock and Uhura can't bone. Tough call."

 

Presumably they would also debate 'turning Sulu straight.'

post #493 of 1380

Gotta love how trekkies can watch Pine's bored, half-awake performance in Beyond and be like "Yes! The real Star Trek's back".

post #494 of 1380

Haven't had a chance to read the entire thread yet - stupid work! - but thought I'd grab a couple of minutes to throw out some thoughts. I'll focus specifically on Spock and Kirk.

 

While I wasn't crazy about the "Kirk wants to quit" arc - it felt both unearned and out of character - Pine nonetheless does a fantastic job and owns the role. Despite weak scripts for all three nuTrek films, Pine's done a lot with a little, and has gone from a variant on Young Shatner-Kirk to something that's fully his own mature Kirk. Folks upthread have pointed out some really great things in the film (which in turn requires credit to be given to Pegg and his writing partner whose name I can't be arsed to look up just now) about Kirk's choices and problem solving skills. Kirk also exudes a deep ease with command here; whatever is going on in the forebrain, his lizard brain knows he should be in charge and feels most alive, feels the most Kirkesque, when he's out hopping galaxies.

 

I wasn't as thrilled with Spock. It felt like a weird combination of expected greatest hits/"logical" behavior and forced "character" moments when dealing with the death of Spock Prime. I actually kinda hated the intrusion of the Prime versions of the characters into this film; it was unnecessary and called too much attention to the Kelvin characters not being the ones most people grew up with and loved. Spock's considering leaving Starfleet, but the initial decision is made entirely offscreen and pre-story kickoff; we're deprived of any insight or empathy of the struggle or causes of that decision. Spock serves as comic foil for Bones, the rescuer boyfriend (!), and almost Deus Ex Machina at the end in saving Kirk. For me, at least, Spock looking at the photo of the original cast nearly ripped me out of the movie, and did nothing to deepen or illuminate the character of Kelvin Spock. We also see Spock display far more emotion than expected, and worse, it's to make the character a punchline rather than deeper development.

 

Finally, this film, like the previous two nuTreks, absolutely has no fucking idea on how to make Kirk and Spock work together. I could reference any number of TOS episodes or Wrath of Khan; Kirk and Spock were fucking legendary because they were not just Yin and Yang, but there was a deep, earned respect and brotherly love between them, forged by leaning on, learning from, and admiring how the other strengthened each by shoring up their weaknesses. Over and over, the series and the films showed us that these two very different men were much stronger together and made us feel the depth of the friendship and mutual respect.

 

BEYOND gives lip service to this idea, but never truly shows us. Indeed, Spock and Kirk spend most of the film apart. We get a third character telling us that Kirk wouldn't know what to do without Spock, though we've seen absolutely nothing unique in the film or the previous two. (Yes, they've been action movie buds, but there has been a distressing lack of actual character and friendship development showcasing how they lean on each other's strengths.) At the end of the film, Kirk echoes this, but it's hollow and empty; again, they spend the majority of the film apart, hardly communicating even when that's possible.

 

And before anyone shouts "Let nuTrek be nuTrek!" at me about this, let me answer: you can't, because all three nuTreks blatantly appeal to TOS cast and history in lieu of actually building up the Kelvin timeline versions. The newer films want us to do all the work and rely on unearned moments or empty dialogue instead of actually building up the friendship between the newer versions.

 

No mistake; I like Quinto as Spock. I think he's been shafted by lazy writing but here and moreso in ST09, manages to spin some gold out of lint. 

 

IMNSHO, Kirk and Spock are the beating heart of the Trek franchise. It's that friendship, that partnership, that ultimately drives the stories and makes us care. nuTrek handles this friendship clumsily and bluntly, with little or no appreciation (or understanding) of what these two men are meant to bring out in each other and the people around them.

post #495 of 1380
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Gotta love how trekkies can watch Pine's bored, half-awake performance in Beyond and be like "Yes! The real Star Trek's back".

I'm no trekkerist and I thought Pine was quite good! Especially when he's supposed to be playing a bit bored and half-awake!

It's the movie that generally felt a bit stale when it came to action.
post #496 of 1380
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It's the movie that generally felt a bit stale when it came to action.

 

Bradito's declaration of "aggressively OK" was a perfect designation for this film.

 

I found the inside action shots - everything taking place within the enterprise - to be nigh unwatchable, though. Too dim, too shaky, no real sense of geography or who's doing what.

post #497 of 1380
I agree. I really didn't enjoy any of that stuff... and there was quite a bit of it both before and after the Enterprise crashes.

Really, the only action beat I truly enjoyed was Sabotage. And that played more like a montage of beautiful explosions set to music!
post #498 of 1380

I was surprised by how much I loved that part.

post #499 of 1380
Perhaps because Lin had to make this under such time constraints... but it's really too bad that the action sequences in this movie didn't have the build of something like the tank sequence in Furious 6.

Especially since the motorcycle sequence in Beyond caps off with a big moment that felt similar to Vin Diesel going all superman to catch Michelle Rodriguez... but not anywhere near as WONDERFUL.

Perhaps it's because that moment was shown in the trailers, but the beaming rescue catch fell really flat to me.
post #500 of 1380

The beaming rescue catch worked just fine for me, but the initial ride up to Krall's camp featured some amazingly bad CGI. 

 

That tank sequence in F6 is lovely. I know F5 is considered the apex of the series, but for my money, 6 is damn close.

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