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post #701 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

It's funny how while undercooked in the final film, we at least got a villain that makes more sense on paper than Nero or nuKhan. Maybe it's because Krall's character is so undercooked that I can't analyze it and think "this is fucking stupid" the same way I can with the last two villains (three if you wanna count Shinzon especially, Sorry Saxon).
 

 

Don't bait me, man. You know I could easily write two or three paragraphs about why Shinzon's character and his motivations made perfect sense. (And I ain't jokin'!)

 

I'm a big Idris Elba fan so most of what I like about the character probably comes from that, but I do smile at how Pegg compared him to Nigel Firage in an interview (Firage, for those who aren't familiar, was the leader of the UK Independence Party and one of the key players involved in making Brexit occur) - a man who steadfastly refused to contemplate that a union of different people could form something stronger than all of them, rather than weakening the individual components. Trek has always been best when it has reflected the world we currently live in (and, no Bob Orci, that doesn't include your truther bullshit) so I do quite like that Beyond and its villain held a mirror up to a world where everyone seems to be pulling up their drawbridges and trying to close borders (or build walls) to protect themselves. 


Edited by MrSaxon - 8/20/16 at 10:08am
post #702 of 1383

Nero may not make any sense (and I'm not arguing he does), but he still has the best villain moment in any nuTrek film: "Hi, Christopher."

post #703 of 1383
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

Nero may not make any sense (and I'm not arguing he does), but he still has the best villain moment in any film ever: "Hi, Christopher."

Fixed that for ya. I remember chuckling out loud in the theater the first time.
post #704 of 1383
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

...villain held a mirror up to a world where everyone seems to be pulling up their drawbridges and trying to close borders (or build walls) to protect themselves. 

 

Well, it's villain's monologing did. Nothing was actually explored with regards to whether the Federation is stronger together, or why Krall felt that way. As I said when I saw it, the story of "abandoned soldiers no longer needed in peacetime" is a good one and so his motivations had the potential to be the best of all the baddies in the Trek movies.

 

But, really, we needed him to be defeated by the unity of the Federation somehow. He needed to be shown that the Federation is stronger as a collection of races, that peace is the answer and that co-operation is the future. Instead, his plan was soundly beaten by a bunch of humans + one half human with human music and he was individually beaten by a human punching him in the face and into space. And he'd never have even got that far if the cowardly alien Ensign hadn't handed over the macguffin. Kind of proves his point. :)


Edited by flint - 8/20/16 at 7:27am
post #705 of 1383

heheheh, he was defeated by a random "eugh get away from me!" kick that goofily sent him and the bio-weapon into space!  

 

WHOOPSIE-DOODLE!

post #706 of 1383
He really should have survived. At least it was reactive "get off me" thing instead of "I'm going to intentionally shoot the shit out of you even though you're hopelessly stuck in a black hole that opened up inside your ship".

nuKhan not getting "the villain must die" blockbuster trope is the one compliment I can give STID. Though Spock may have punched him to death if Uhura didn't stop him.
post #707 of 1383
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Originally Posted by flint View Post
 

 

Well, it's villain's monologing did. Nothing was actually explored with regards to whether the Federation is stronger together, or why Krall felt that way. As I said when I saw it, the story of "abandoned soldiers no longer needed in peacetime" is a good one and so his motivations had the potential to be the best of all the baddies in the Trek movies.

 

But, really, we needed him to be defeated by the unity of the Federation somehow. He needed to be shown that the Federation is stronger as a collection of races, that peace is the answer and that co-operation is the future. Instead, his plan was soundly beaten by a bunch of humans + one half human with human music and he was individually beaten by a human punching him in the face and into space. And he'd never have even got that far if the cowardly alien Ensign hadn't handed over the macguffin. Kind of proves his point. :)

 

I think the Enterprise acting as a microcosm of The Federation is more than enough. The crew are without their ship and separated but come back together (along with Jaylah) because they recognize that theiy're stronger as a collective than they are alone. Without each of them acting together, they would never have made it off the planet and Kirk would never have gotten the opportunity to stop Krall. Hell, you could even argue that even the music used against Krall is the work of several people acting in union and further dismantles his argument that unity is a weakness. 

post #708 of 1383
And "Sabotage" is by a bunch of white guys that appropriated one culture's music as their own. Is that not the idea of the Federation being cultural integration?
post #709 of 1383

That's a good point!

 

I think it speaks well for this movie that, fifteen pages later, we're still discussing facets of it. Most Post-Release threads would probably have gone off-track by this point.

post #710 of 1383
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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

Nero may not make any sense (and I'm not arguing he does), but he still has the best villain moment in any nuTrek film: "Hi, Christopher."

 

 

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Fixed that for ya. I remember chuckling out loud in the theater the first time.

 

I love how Loosey Goosey people are in 09 and STiD when on View Screens vs in person. I wonder if that was some kind of intentional critique of Human Relations in the 23rd century, or JJ just liked the out takes by Bana and Weller and decided to use them in the finished films.

post #711 of 1383

WELLER:
 

'aw sheeeit, ya talked to'im..."

post #712 of 1383
I don't get how Nero acting out of character for two seconds redeems him for many. I wish he was as fun during the whole film where he's basically "yeah, I can kill you with this mining ship whenever I want, whatevs". Nero should have just been an evil asshole, without all that junk about having a family he lost that's only there to try to make him sympathetic and complex but fails. It doesn't work when he acts like a moron when talking with Pike.

Pike: "Dude, Romulus is still out there!"
Nero: "I WATCHED IT HAPPEN I SAW IT HAPPEN DON'T TELL ME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!"

I wonder if that's basically how every conversation happened with his minions every time they came up with the idea of saving Romulus.

"Hey, Nero, since we're a hundred years in the past we can save our pla-"
"I WATCHED IT HAPPEN I SAW IT HAPPEN DON'T TELL ME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!"

There's even an amusing bit where he has to explain to his minion why he doesn't want to kill Spock "I WANT TO MAKE HIM WATCH!", as if he never told his minion about this in the past 25 years waiting for Spock to appear.
post #713 of 1383

when people like a movie they'll forgive a lot!

 

when people don't like a movie, they'll attack whatever moves!

post #714 of 1383
So much to forgive in these Abrams films, even FORWAKENS... Too much!
post #715 of 1383

ESPECIALLY forwaken

post #716 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

I don't get how Nero acting out of character for two seconds redeems him for many. I wish he was as fun during the whole film where he's basically "yeah, I can kill you with this mining ship whenever I want, whatevs". Nero should have just been an evil asshole, without all that junk about having a family he lost that's only there to try to make him sympathetic and complex but fails. It doesn't work when he acts like a moron when talking with Pike.

Pike: "Dude, Romulus is still out there!"
Nero: "I WATCHED IT HAPPEN I SAW IT HAPPEN DON'T TELL ME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!"

I wonder if that's basically how every conversation happened with his minions every time they came up with the idea of saving Romulus.

"Hey, Nero, since we're a hundred years in the past we can save our pla-"
"I WATCHED IT HAPPEN I SAW IT HAPPEN DON'T TELL ME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!"

There's even an amusing bit where he has to explain to his minion why he doesn't want to kill Spock "I WANT TO MAKE HIM WATCH!", as if he never told his minion about this in the past 25 years waiting for Spock to appear.

"You know, Nero, we can go and enjoy Romulus right now. It's just outside our window."

"Spooooooock..."
post #717 of 1383
Unless Nero was driven crazy by grief (which is me just giving the movie more credit than it deserves) Nero's reasons for ANYTHING he does are some of the most contrived of any villain plot in any movie ever. I've never been completely clear on why he holds Spock so responsible. Spock was trying to save his planet, was he not?

Just to be clear I DO like this movie. But Nero has always struck me as a completely unreasonable shit head..
post #718 of 1383
No question. TBH Khan's near-over the top sadism is also tough to swallow.
post #719 of 1383

It seems most Star Trek villains don't make a lick of sense. 

 

But I have a nice fondness for Soran, who is the most selfish villain in the series. And he operates not out of greed, jealousy, or vengeance but out of possessiveness. 

post #720 of 1383

I think Soran's motivation was pretty relatable.  It's just that the mechanics of the Nexus don't make any sense.  If you fly into it, you'll be destroyed--but if it flies into you, you're okay.  What?

post #721 of 1383
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I think Soran's motivation was pretty relatable.  It's just that the mechanics of the Nexus don't make any sense.  If you fly into it, you'll be destroyed--but if it flies into you, you're okay.  What?


It might have something to do with organisms versus mechinations. 

post #722 of 1383
Those that flew into it managed to get in the Nexus, it's just extremely dangerous and it's a 50/50 chance, you either get in by luck or die in the ship's destruction. There's a line from Scotty where he's confused over life signs "phasing out of our space time continuum". Soran having the ribbon "come to him" on a planet was just a safer bet of getting in the Nexus without risking his life.
post #723 of 1383
Never understood why you couldn't just hang out in a space suit in the Nexus' path. It's not like the suit is going to explode.
post #724 of 1383
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Never understood why you couldn't just hang out in a space suit in the Nexus' path. It's not like the suit is going to explode.
Agree. I would think that's an easier and less evil plan.
post #725 of 1383

Ya but if he had done that there wouldn't have been a contrived plot to get Kirk and Picard in the same film working together. No Enterprise D destruction scene. And more importantly none of this:

 

post #726 of 1383

FINALLY saw this over the weekend (I've seen every Star Trek movie in the theater since Search for Spock (cause I was only 14 then - yipes) cause I've just been too busy. I really enjoyed it. It's far from a perfect movie, the action sequences go on too long, and there's a lot of things that make no sense - so in the early days of space travel they spent valuable space and fuel to transport around a motorcycle? - but overall it did a great job of feeling like a Star Trek film. I can't say for sure that it's better that ST09 as I have an unexplainable love for that movie, but it was close. What I loved about it was it really gave some time to the characters.

 

What I liked is it got to the core value that it's the crew of the Enterprise that is it's heart and what's important. That and the "unity over the individual theme".

 

Pretty much everyone got something worthwhile to do in the show, which is always tricky when you have 7 core characters. I really like that they put Spock and McCoy together for half the movie. Both Quinto and Urban play those characters so well - keeping them reasonably true to the original actors, but not taking it to far into parody. I also like the Kirk that Chris Pine gave us in this movie. I more grown up Kirk, he continues to do a great job of taking that character and making it feel his own. Chekov and Scotty both had enough to do to let them shine. Only Sulu and Uhura seem to be a bit short changed - though the problem is here they end up spending much of the movie as captives with little purpose but exposition.  I am a bit surprised that Zoe Saldana keeps coming back, because they seem to give her less and less to do in each movie - and really she was one of the best things about the first movie. 

 

I also liked the plot and the new characters. I like that it felt like an episode but with bigger stakes.

 

The enemy being this swarm of ships was very clever - but what I didn't like is it seemed like there was about 2.5 billion of them in the end scenes - which kind of made no sense. Also, the minions of the bad guy were so generic as to be dull (think Avengers bad guy minions dull). Also they could crash through other ships and appear to never be damaged. (Actually a ton of things hitting other things in this movie and not remotely being affected by it got pretty old - but that is so true of modern blockbusters I almost hate to criticise it.

 

I can't be the first person to think about this - but it was Star Trek III that was the first time they blew up the Enterprise. I was in the theater opening night for that one - I was the only non-trekkie in the audience (at the time I was not into the show but a friend was) and the trekkie crowd was in SHOCK that they destroyed the Enterprise. This movie it was more like "Really, wreck the enterprise again?"  though I wonder if being the 3rd new-trek movie meant they did this on purpose. Symmetry.

 

Anyways - I hope they keep making these movies. None have been "great" but they've been enjoyable. (I even liked STID despite its many flaws.) 

post #727 of 1383
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It might have something to do with organisms versus mechinations. 

I've tried to justify it that way myself, but it doesn't completely work.  I seem to remember Soran's metal platforms and equipment being left over (even the rocks, too!) after the Nexus wave passed through.  Seems like the Nexus would have caused them to spark or melt if it had some kind of Terminator-esque "nothing dead will go" property.  It deserved a better explanation than we were provided.  There's a good movie fighting to get out of Generations.  Wish it had the opportunity to be set free at the time.  

post #728 of 1383
I forgive the film for that because of the constraints Moore and Braga had at the time trying to deliver that while simultaneously working on the TNG series. Even the finale had a logic gap with the future characters discovering the anti-time anomaly being formed, when they had already established that the phenomenon moves backwards in time.
post #729 of 1383
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Originally Posted by skierpete View Post
 

so in the early days of space travel they spent valuable space and fuel to transport around a motorcycle?

I can understand why people would have an issue with this because it's Star Trek and you'd think they'd be using something a little more high tech, but they actually had to grow and cook their own food on those old ships and so on, and beaming up people wasn't even a  thing yet, so at the end of the day a motorcyle is a very small, lightweight, low-maintenance vehicle that would be suitable for quick recon on new planets. Not that crazy.

It was stupid when they were out 4 wheeling in Nemesis because it was just a bad excuse for a  (really shitty) action sequence, but here it's not really all that unbelievable they would have something like that on board.

post #730 of 1383
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I can understand why people would have an issue with this because it's Star Trek and you'd think they'd be using something a little more high tech, but they actually had to grow and cook their own food on those old ships and so on, and beaming up people wasn't even a  thing yet, so at the end of the day a motorcyle is a very small, lightweight, low-maintenance vehicle that would be suitable for quick recon on new planets. Not that crazy.

It was stupid when they were out 4 wheeling in Nemesis because it was just a bad excuse for a  (really shitty) action sequence, but here it's not really all that unbelievable they would have something like that on board.

 

It is completely unbelievable that they would have something like that on board.  They should have had a throwaway line where someone reads an engraving or something that says "gift to the Klendathu people from the United Federation blah blah...." so there would be some attempt at plausibility.

post #731 of 1383
I can roll with it.
post #732 of 1383

Something like the Franklin, primitive as it is by 23rd Century standards, isn't exactly a 20th century Space Shuttle.  I can see an officer taking it along.  

 

 

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Hell, the thing could've been Captain Edison's bike for all we know.
post #733 of 1383
Say this much, a motorcycle has more excuse for being on a starship than a beagle.
post #734 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumor View Post
 

I can understand why people would have an issue with this because it's Star Trek and you'd think they'd be using something a little more high tech, but they actually had to grow and cook their own food on those old ships and so on, and beaming up people wasn't even a  thing yet, so at the end of the day a motorcyle is a very small, lightweight, low-maintenance vehicle that would be suitable for quick recon on new planets. Not that crazy.

It was stupid when they were out 4 wheeling in Nemesis because it was just a bad excuse for a  (really shitty) action sequence, but here it's not really all that unbelievable they would have something like that on board.

I'm really not THAT upset by it, and you're argument isn't a terrible one - except I still think it extremely unlikely that their choice of a vehicle that would be usable on mutliple terrains would be a motocycle. I would agree it might be in the early days of matter transference when a transporter wasn't reliable for humans - though let's point out the Franklin DID have a transporter that they DID use to transport both people AND the motorcycle in full motion. I would argue that if they had had some sort of hoverbike - that would've made much more sense. 

 

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It is completely unbelievable that they would have something like that on board.  They should have had a throwaway line where someone reads an engraving or something that says "gift to the Klendathu people from the United Federation blah blah...." so there would be some attempt at plausibility.

That would've been great. Even better if they would've had Chekov be the one to say "I used to have a bike just like that."  Then it would've been a "Chekov's Bike / Chekhov's Gun" situation and I would've laughed and laughed....  

post #735 of 1383
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I'm really not THAT upset by it, and you're argument isn't a terrible one - except I still think it extremely unlikely that their choice of a vehicle that would be usable on mutliple terrains would be a motocycle.

I don't even know what you're arguing about honestly. What's weird about them having a motorcycle? You'll have to do better than this because I can't think of why it's weird at all until I start making all kinds of silly assumptions about how they used that small, cheap, and effective transport. I.e. probably not all of the time. So it boils down to what? That it's not a futuristic hover bike?
 

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I would agree it might be in the early days of matter transference when a transporter wasn't reliable for humans - though let's point out the Franklin DID have a transporter that they DID use to transport both people AND the motorcycle in full motion. 

This is false, the Franklin had an old model transport that was never used to transport people until Scotty modified it to be up to par with modern transporters. That's the whole point of the ship...it's from the same era as the Enterprise NX-01 from Star Trek Enterprise, it serves to show the timeline isn't really different until the moment Nero's ship went back in time. Like that ship doesn't even have photon torpedos.

I get why the motorcycle might bother you, but it's really not that crazy that they would have one.


Edited by Itsnotatumor - 8/24/16 at 2:34pm
post #736 of 1383
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I get why the motorcycle might bother you, but it's really not that crazy that they would have one.

It's a minor point - you are right that it's not any crazier than the likelyhood that people would still be listening to Public Enemy and Beastie Boys in 2160. Or that Jaylah would be able to cloak the Franklin to prevent Krall from finding it - since he would certainly have no idea where he crashed his own ship once it was cloaked.

 

(Again - none of these thing truly bother me - it's more a point as to how easy it is to nit-pick a movie like this if you really want to.) 

post #737 of 1383
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It's a minor point - you are right that it's not any crazier than the likelyhood that people would still be listening to Public Enemy and Beastie Boys in 2160.


We do this same sort of thing in the real world. Horse and other animal based transportation is still in use both in cultures where they haven't adapted to new technologies or they can't because they're poor, and in developed nations where people do it as a choice and for recreation, and I don't know if you're into Beethoven or Motzart but I am and most of their music is over 200 years old. So while it might stick out like a sore thumb in JJ Trek, the concept of people using "antique" transport or listening to "classical" music is not only believable but I'm absolutely certain people will do that in the future.

What I think is weird is that some people somehow have this idea that people aren't going to be listen to the Beastie Boys in 200 years.

We might get tied up in this idea that in a science fiction film like this all their technology and everything they use should be sufficiently advanced, but that's not really how technology develops in the real world. There are technologies we use today that have never been replaced. We might have refined the technique of developing those things, but we've never sufficiently improved on it's form so as to render it useless. It's certainly not difficult to believe that we'll still be using motorcycles a hundred years from now, which seems to be what they're saying in JJ Trek, because it's a really efficient mode of transportation and it's extremely difficult to improve on the basic design.

In fact I can pretty much assure you that before we ever outgrow the usefulness of motorcycles, we'll have established colonies on other bodies in our solar system.

I think one of the few things that actually works in JJ Trek is the fact that to some extent (taking a cue from Enterprise) they made steps to ground the universe in the real world and bridge the gap from modern real world technology to then, that was a very good idea and if you ask me we should have seen even more of that kind of thing. If you want to debate how successful their execution of that idea is, that's something else entirely.
 

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 Or that Jaylah would be able to cloak the Franklin to prevent Krall from finding it - since he would certainly have no idea where he crashed his own ship once it was cloaked.

 

(Again - none of these thing truly bother me - it's more a point as to how easy it is to nit-pick a movie like this if you really want to.) 


But...the Jaylah thing, this is a legit criticism. Although it worked for me in the film and I bought into the premise, when you really think about it, it is a major stretch that Jaylah was not only able to find Krall's crashed ship pretty much in tact with a few minor things to fix (as far as we can tell anyways) but that she somehow manages to cloak it and stay hidden from his forces was some uncanny luck. And while it was really contrived that she found that stereo and really dug that specific Beastie Boys track, that's part of the charm of her character really. It worked well on screen. I totally have no issue believing that this Kirk would go the extra mile to fast track her into Starfleet. Furthermore, the idea of aliens finding our old music (or other art and media) and enjoying it or even being inspired by it is very cool. You have any idea what they're gonna find if an advanced alien ever encounters the Voyager probe?

Also you actually like Trek 09 and I hate it and we're on opposite sides here, wtf man.


Edited by Itsnotatumor - 8/25/16 at 1:44pm
post #738 of 1383

wait, you guys are STILL talking about the motorcycle?!

post #739 of 1383

Obviously in Star Trek they would use holographic hover forks to eat their food.

post #740 of 1383
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We do this same sort of thing in the real world. Horse and other animal based transportation is still in use both in cultures where they haven't adapted to new technologies or they can't because they're poor, and in developed nations where people do it as a choice and for recreation, and I don't know if you're into Beethoven or Motzart but I am and most of their music is over 200 years old. So while it might stick out like a sore thumb in JJ Trek, the concept of people using "antique" transport or listening to "classical" music is not only believable but I'm absolutely certain people will do that in the future.

What I think is weird is that some people somehow have this idea that people aren't going to be listen to the Beastie Boys in 200 years.
 

OK - I'm having fun with this argument. Look - I have no problem at all if you argued that people are still using motorcycles as transportation in 150 years, I am just saying it wouldn't be on a starship - but we'll drop this one for now.

 

I want to argue the music point for a bit. You are correct in assuming that some "modern" music (and Sabotage is 22 years old, while Fight The Power is 26) will still be listened to in 150 years. However, what tends to happen is that the cream of the crop floats to the top. You and I and everyone hear Mozart and Beethoven all the time. However, they have dozens if not hundreds of composers of that era that you and I have NEVER heard of. And I am sure there are records out there of these other composers music, but they did not stay in popular culture.

 

And this typically starts to happen about two generations after the generation that music came out for originally - so typically any music from more than about 60 years ago starts to fade from collective memory.

 

Let's look at the #1 songs of 1955:

January 22, 1955       Joan Weber                       "Let Me Go, Lover!"       2

February 5, 1955       The Fontane Sisters            "Hearts Of Stone" 1

February 12, 1955      The McGuire Sisters           "Sincerely"          6

March 26, 1955          Bill Hayes                        "The Ballad Of Davy Crockett"    5

April 30, 1955            Pérez Prado                     "Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White"♪ (1955)    10

July 9, 1955               Bill Haley & His Comets    "(We're Gonna) Rock Around The Clock"    8

September 3, 1955      Mitch Miller                    "The Yellow Rose of Texas"         6

October 15, 1955         The Four Aces                "Love Is A Many Splendored Thing”  2

October 29, 1955         Roger Williams               "Autumn Leaves” 4

November 26, 1955     Tennessee Ernie              "Sixteen Tons"  7

 

Personally - I am aware of the existence of 4 of these 10 songs. My mom probably knows all of them (she was 15 at that time).  My 13 year old daughter knows ZERO of them. (Well, she knows Davy Crockett cause I'm a Disney nut.) 

 

It is extremely unlikely the of the songs that will be remembered from the 1990s, Sabotage will be one of them. Let's face the facts - the reason that music was used in that movie was nothing to do with "connecting to reality" but was all about "Wow, Guardians of the Galaxy was really popular - and they used old pop songs! Let's use old rap songs! We already have the rights to Sabotage from ST09!"

post #741 of 1383

I just assumed the motorcycle was there because Edison loved his antique motorcycle.  Sentimental for a bygone era...

 

Too bad there wasn't a moment during the motorcycle sequence where Krall was all "HEY THAT'S MIIIIIIINE!!!"

 

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Or...

 

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post #742 of 1383
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I want to argue the music point for a bit. You are correct in assuming that some "modern" music (and Sabotage is 22 years old, while Fight The Power is 26) will still be listened to in 150 years. However, what tends to happen is that the cream of the crop floats to the top. You and I and everyone hear Mozart and Beethoven all the time. However, they have dozens if not hundreds of composers of that era that you and I have NEVER heard of. And I am sure there are records out there of these other composers music, but they did not stay in popular culture.

 

And this typically starts to happen about two generations after the generation that music came out for originally - so typically any music from more than about 60 years ago starts to fade from collective memory.

 

Let's look at the #1 songs of 1955:

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I'd argue everyone knows Mr Sandman, and that didn't crack into the top forty of that same list. (mind you it gets onto the top 100 three times. the fifties were weird)

 

No-one really knows what will be popular and what won't be. Sabotage could be covered every twenty years and known forever (like Unchained Melody). It could end up being a specific song tied to a specific point in history (Magic Carpet Ride by Steppenwolf is probably an answer in every pub quiz in the Star Trek universe thanks to Zefram Cochrane's maiden warp flight).

 

All I know is it worked for me, I was grinning like an idiot when the opening riffs kicked in. The missus on the other hand didn't even know who did the song and hadn't really heard it since our student days.

post #743 of 1383
Oh god.
post #744 of 1383
This threat has taken such an odd turn.
post #745 of 1383
The most insane nitpick I've heard was along the lines of "Why would the Franklin's database happen to have THAT particular song?"

(Head tilts to the side)

We have enough storage in the 21st century for that, and we're arguing over a 22nd century ship's computer storage? Holy shit.
post #746 of 1383

I feel like plot nitpicking has become such a prevalent thing in geek culture (maybe in part because geek movies have become such easy targets for that--I mean, a lot of these movies are basically asking for that kind of scrutiny, they're so sloppily written or put together) that now you got pretenders trying to come up with clever nitpicks that basically don't even qualify as valid complaints.

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What music will and won't be remembered is an interesting question, I think. I don't know that their tracks will be immortal standards or anything, but I'd say there's a decent chance The Beasties Boys will be remembered just because they hold a very specific place in the early history of rap music. I can see stuff from that era keeping a certain allure the same way early rock and roll has.

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Will Rihanna's "Sledgehammer" be remembered in the distant future?

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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post

Will Rihanna's "Sledgehammer" be remembered in the distant future?
It won't be remembered in the near future.
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I'd have an easier time imagining that people still listen to Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" in the future.
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