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post #551 of 710
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Do you like the stuff he's done with Jeff Nichols? Check out SHOTGUN STORIES if you haven't.

 

That's a close second for me.   I live pretty close to where it was filmed, and the way it manages to be both authentic and allegorical is stunning, especially for a debut film.

post #552 of 710
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I wonder who I'll cast as the World Trade Center...

The Freedom Tower, although it'd be a bitch trying to land on it.
post #553 of 710
Maybe for your Snake. Not mine.
post #554 of 710

Best Michael Shannon? Bug.

post #555 of 710
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I had a (to me anyway) more traditional Slag in mind but I want this ESCAPE to have better action. Not more action, just better action. A rousing battle between Starr and Ruhian will greatly help that goal.

 

Not taking a shot, but backtracking because this comment has kind of ricocheted around in my mind. I was wondering if you or anyone else are underwhelmed by the film's Action?

 

Late 70's - early 80's is my favorite period for the genre. There's a pace shared by likes of Hill, Carpenter, and Cameron in that's its not so much a slow build but set to a different tempo/ rhythm, that has you kind of slow dancing to it, or almost meditating with it, to mix metaphors ...which for me at least makes impact of sudden bursts of Action or moments of intensity rock harder while even in such a rawer state than a few years down the line. 

 

I feel like with ASSAULT and ESCAPE, Carpenter plays with the beats perhaps even more than his contemporaries -  there's a slightly waking dream quality to these films and an almost stoned on grass feel. Someone once said on CHUD, which I have always run with, that ESCAPE is the greatest 3 AM movie of alltime. I think that's the feel Carpenter was going for, and to ramp things up in anyway would damage what makes the film special.

 

That tone is perfection.

 

Can the Action be better? For me the beauty is in the raw power; Carpenter stages like a Neil Young album - almost mellow, then comes the guitar lick.


Edited by Fat Elvis - 8/5/16 at 7:02am
post #556 of 710
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The trick to what makes guys like Carpenter and Hill stand above so many is the pacing, yes, but hand in hand with that is their character development. Escape from New York, First Blood48 Hrs.The DriverThe WarriorsPrecinct 13, even AlienRaiders, and the first two Mad Max movies... those are all very character-driven pieces. It's about their reactions to the action.

 

I can't give you an exact starting film to the golden age of action, but it's not late 70's/early 80's. It's roughly 1985 to the end of the 80's. You not only have the characters and the big names like Arnold and Sly coming into play, but the self-aware factor of how to course-correct the genre. Within four years, we had Die HardRoboCopAliens, the first two Lethal Weapon movies, Big Trouble in Little ChinaThey LiveMidnight RunPredator, Commando... not only game changers but stuff with a real weight to it in how it commented on the world at large.

post #557 of 710

The action is the weakest part of ESCAPE. The premise and cast is so good that it doesn't really matter but by in large when there's a set piece in the film I'm just waiting for it to end so the characters can get back to talking to each other.

 

If there ever was a true remake that's the area that I could see an improvement on the original. Sadly a true remake would likely blow it when it comes to the character beats.

post #558 of 710

With Molt on this one.  The only things that could have been improved in the film were:

- The action sequences

- The production values

 

What's there is GOOD, but you can definitely tell that they stretched the budget to its very limits to get what they got, and it's to everyone's credit that the budget limitations didn't stop them from making such a great movie.

post #559 of 710
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It's the old best vs. favorite dilemma. Escape is better, Big Trouble is more fun.

 

Carpenter is a big example of this. The Thing is easily his best film, but They Live is easily my favorite of his.

post #560 of 710

I respectfully disagree that EFNY is better than THE THING, but it's really splitting hairs.  Both films are in his upper echelon, so differentiating between them in terms of relative 'quality' is a matter of taste.

post #561 of 710
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Thing is king.

post #562 of 710

Viable arguments could be made for HALLOWEEN, THE THING, BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, and ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK as being his best film from an overall 'quality' point of view.  Favorites?  Anything goes, and I won't begrudge anyone from preferring any of his other films over the 4 big ones.

post #563 of 710

Doh...just realized that I was supposed to draft.  Sorry for the late drop.

post #564 of 710

The cool thing about the ESCAPE era is the matte painting work, the models, stuntwork etc. A B movie masterpiece like this is all about production value through artistic craft:

 

"The amazing in-camera glass matte painting by Jim Cameron filmed in the San Fernando Valley for ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK"

 

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post #565 of 710
My last pick is going to look like a chance for a cheap joke, but I swear this person is perfect for my NYC Communities theme
post #566 of 710
Hey, mine's kind of a gag too. Probably not even a good one.
post #567 of 710

So yeah, went with Pink for my final pick.  From the little bits and pieces that I've seen of her acting, I think she'd be able to carry the small scene pretty well.  I also think she'd have a fun duet with Zac Efron before the cannibal onslaught happens.

post #568 of 710
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Hey, mine's kind of a gag too. Probably not even a good one.

 

Yep, me too. 

post #569 of 710
I take this shit seriously, unlike some people!

(I cast a comedian.)
post #570 of 710

Speaking of that, I am very eager to drop my alternate list. 

post #571 of 710

As am I.  My top two choices for Snake in a straight action remake never got drafted by anyone, and I'm honestly astounded that they're still on the table.

post #572 of 710

There's at least one actor I'm surprised hasn't been chosen for Hauk.

post #573 of 710
I had Björnsson as a possible Slag, along with… another actor.
post #574 of 710
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There's at least one actor I'm surprised hasn't been chosen for Hauk.

Don't speak too soon!

post #575 of 710
With Chock Full O' Nuts Girl, I wanted to cast someone "known" who you think might be a potential love interest for Snake, even though Snake is incapable of love, so then the audience is completely thrown when she immediately croaks.
post #576 of 710

My thought as well.

post #577 of 710
Hammerhead's stealing my thoughts, guys!
post #578 of 710
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Once everyone's gone (or after the last slot), drop your extra picks.

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Once everyone's gone (or after the last slot), drop your extra picks.

 

Mine will be a straight up alternate draft.  Should be easy with the amount of talent left on the table.

post #580 of 710

Mackenzie Davis was totally my Chock Full o' Nuts until I decided I wanted to do the pulled through the floor gag.  For such a random small role, that's kind of coincidental. I guess it's just the look?

post #581 of 710

Yeah, I think she's got the same waify-80s-punk look thing on Halt and Catch Fire that Chock Full o' Nuts girl has.

post #582 of 710

Nice one Molt. I thought about Turturro as either Brain or Cabbie for a while.

post #583 of 710
Turturro was a Cabbie for me as well. Maslany and Thirlby are great picks as well.
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Mine will be a straight up alternate draft.  Should be easy with the amount of talent left on the table.

 

I've got an alternate draft too, most of the actors are dead but some are among the living. It's inspired by some early casting options for the film.

post #585 of 710

It's a pretty good gag, Henry.

post #586 of 710

There were only two of us doing any gender swapping with this draft, so I'm not surprised that we left a bunch of possible people on the table.

post #587 of 710
Nice one, Hunter.
post #588 of 710
I almost picked Turturro as Brain but decided to go younger. He'd be a fine Cabbie too.
post #589 of 710

Took a Brain last because I had three people in mind that were all right about equal. Turturro won the tie-break for being the most "New York" of the three.

post #590 of 710
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Nice one, Hunter.

 

Thanks. Considering my director, it fits, and she'd get the attitude.

 

I also updated the location to the TGI Friday's in Times Square, which is more omnipresent now in post-Giuliani NYC.

post #591 of 710

Tommy Lee wasn't my original Hauk, but when none of you knuckleheads took him, I felt I had to.

post #592 of 710

Jones had to go, seeing as how he was a close call to playing Snake back in the day.

 

Dickson filling me with mirth over Nia Jax.

post #593 of 710

Are we listing our alternates yet?

post #594 of 710
Thread Starter 

Go for it.

post #595 of 710

I was really close to doing this-

 

Jody Hill's Escape From New York


Danny McBride as Snake Plissken

 

Ray Liotta as Hauk
Bill Murray as Cabbie
Craig Robinson as The Duke
Anna Faris as Maggie
Martin Starr as Brain
Michael Cera as Romero

post #596 of 710
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Tommy Lee wasn't my original Hauk, but when none of you knuckleheads took him, I felt I had to.


He's who I was thinking of earlier.

post #597 of 710
My preferred Adam Wingard EFNY -

Snake - Dan Stevens
Hauk - Lance Reddick
Brain - Leland Orser
and Maika Monroe as the computer's voice

Music by Disasterpeace

Other alternatives:

Jeremy Renner, Frank Grillo and Travis Fimmel as Snake

Giancarlo Esposito as Hauk

Jim Beaver, Luis Guzman and Michael Madsen as Cabbie

John Hawkes, Shea Whigham, Kevin Corrigan, Jackie Earle Haley and Ben Mendelsohn as Brain

Toby Jones as The President or Alan Arkin as Bernie Sanders

For Romero: Charles Baker and, of course, this guy:
post #598 of 710

My alternate Romero was Lukas Haas.

 

Alternate Cabbie that I knew wouldn't really work but I still got a kick out of the idea: Mickey Rourke

post #599 of 710

Surprised no one went with Rourke as The Duke.

post #600 of 710

You mean as The Pope.

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