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post #101 of 122
I barely remember this movie. I forgot Tommy Lee Jones was even in it.
post #102 of 122
It's a really bland film.
post #103 of 122

There's no forward progression to Bourne's story. Not even the fights were memorable.

post #104 of 122

My rankings

 

1. Original Bourne- good action movie

2. Legacy (that's no typo)- solid fun movie

3. Bourne 3- good closer to the series

4. Bourne 2- too much shaky cam

5. Bourne 2016- Boring, DOA

post #105 of 122
I guess ill be the only one that actually liked Bourne '16
post #106 of 122

Oh, sure. We can do this:

 

1. Supremacy

2. Identity

3. Ultimatum

4. Legacy (which I think is a lot better than it gets credit for)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5. JB

post #107 of 122

Caught this over the weekend.  It's not baaaaaaaaaaaaad but it's certainly not particularly good.  It reminded me of the JACK RYAN reboot with Chris Pine from a couple of years ago...competent but blah.  There's zero passion to it, and that really kills any engagement with the material.

 

If we're doing the ranking game:

 

1. SUPREMACY

2. IDENTITY

3. ULTIMATUM

4. LEGACY

5. Self Titled

post #108 of 122
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

Caught this over the weekend.  It's not baaaaaaaaaaaaad but it's certainly not particularly good.  It reminded me of the JACK RYAN reboot with Chris Pine from a couple of years ago...competent but blah.  There's zero passion to it, and that really kills any engagement with the material.

 

It has no reason (outside of making money) to exist. Nothing about the story suggests that Greengrass or Damon had a fire in the belly for the story. There were a lot of potentially interesting directions in which this could've gone, but the film eschews all of them to be an obligatory retread of everything we've seen before. Killing Nikki off really epitomizes the weakness of the film: she's pure plot device and treated as disposable.

post #109 of 122
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Killing Nikki off really epitomizes the weakness of the film: she's pure plot device and treated as disposable.

 

Totally.  I remember when she first appeared in the movie, I was like 'oh, she's here to die and kick things off.'  20 minutes later, I was proven right.   All 'surprises' were completely telegraphed in the first act, leaving you...the viewer...nothing to do but sit back and be 10 minutes ahead of the movie in terms of plotting.

 

It's competently made and acted, at least.  That's something.

post #110 of 122

I'd say it's competently acted. I'm not sure about the "made" part. For something done by the big names from the original films, this feels like a cheap, dumb knockoff to me. The dumb retcon of Bourne's father. Making Nikki a thin plot device. Despite Damon being visibly older, not acknowledging or addressing the age issue at all. No Pam Landy.

 

I mean, it has good production value. But it feels almost like bad fanfic than a true continuation of the story.

post #111 of 122
The retcon feels like a betrayal of the trilogy, which was supposed to be about accountability. Jason Bourne CHOSE his profession and has to live with it. Retconning that he was manipulated into that all along is such an awful idea.
post #112 of 122

The film is desperately missing Joan Allen.

post #113 of 122
This film shouldn't even exist.

After SUPREMACY, Greengrass and Damon said they would only return if they had a great idea for a follow up. After nearly a decade... this was it?
post #114 of 122
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This film shouldn't even exist.

After SUPREMACY, Greengrass and Damon said they would only return if they had a great idea for a follow up. After nearly a decade... this was it?

 

It is if the great idea was 'let's have a massive payday.'

post #115 of 122

This movie is exactly the type of movie that made The Bourne Identity feel so fresh in 2002.  It was so "OMG JASON BOURNE" that 1993 Seagal could have played the character.  The dad shit completely undercuts the personal responsibility that the third movie gives Bourne and lets him off the hook.

 

So bad.

post #116 of 122

Thoroughly unremarkable mish mash of cliches from previous Bourne films.  It's like they just copy/pasted and changed the names around.  Shame because the films always seemed to have a new story to tell.  But it shows just how limited this franchise is with Damon in the lead.  How many times is he gonna stumble around with flashbacks and confront CIA figureheads?

 

About the only thing interesting about it was Bourne's possible return to active duty.  

post #117 of 122
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About the only thing interesting about it was Bourne's possible return to active duty.  

Wouldn't have been totally original concept, but would have at least been something new for the Boune character! When ULTIMATUM came out Damon and Greengrass claimed they would only return if there was a new story worth telling. I think they only came back just to have a sure blockbuster that would let them do their own pet projects, because this just stinks of phoning it in.
post #118 of 122

About the only move they can make with this character to keep it fresh is have him return to active duty, but his plan is to take down the whole operation from the inside or something.  

post #119 of 122

Make Bourne the new director of Treadstone instead of an asset. Put him in the position of having to make the calls about who gets knocked off instead of being the tool, knowing exactly what the assets have been through. Maybe bring back Renner and have Bourne running the manhunt for him.

post #120 of 122

Naw wouldn't really make sense to have an asset barking orders from a cushy room, they're specifically trained to kill people and evade capture.  Plus the audience expects Damon to be kicking ass.  There's not a lot you can do with this anymore.  Except focus on Bourne making a future for himself instead of reliving the past.  The problem is the CIA is unequivocally painted as the villain, so it can't be like Bond, where he's obviously making some sort of difference for a well intentioned ally.  The bad guy is always Bourne's bosses.  Not alot you can do with that tired concept.

post #121 of 122
Or he returns to active duty, but this time he's killing for the good guys. Like Unicef, Greenpeace or Amnesty International.
post #122 of 122

Borrowed this from the library and yeah: not good. Should have called it The Bourne Cash Grab. 

 

Damon looks flabby in this. Didn't convince me he could pull off the stunts he does (he was believable in the first three).

 

That opening chase in Greece showcases the problems: what could have been a great set piece fails because it's just not shot convincingly. Julie Stiles just stands in the middle of a RIOT and no one even comes near her? While Police are tear gassing protesters all around her? 

 

Also it was unintentionally funny when Bourne, Stiles, the Asset and Alpha and Beta Teams are all marching about like Terminators in this crowd of protesters and riot police. Also the CIA goons just drive all over the place (again in the middle of a riot/police action) and no one even notices! 

 

One exception is the two valiant Greek cops who diligently chase Bourne through the crowd, again ignoring everything going on around them (though it makes sense as Bourne stole a cop's motorcycle) until Bourne smashes them. 

 

Nothing to say about the rest of the movie that hasn't already been said. I think this series has had it's day. 

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