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SUICIDE SQUAD (2016) - POST-RELEASE THREAD

post #1 of 1303
Thread Starter 
So, I won't delve into spoilers on the first post of the thread...

Just thought I'd delve a little bit further on the nuts and bolts of it.

It's a good, fun, summer/superhero movie. It has some massively weird structural problems, especially during its first third; the opening scenes a basically just stitched together in a manner so artless it becomes baffling. The only thing signalling one scene ends and the other begins is the waaaay-too-cute change in needle drops, which becomes comically bad before the film's 5-minute mark. Seriously, when the opening to "You Don't Own Me" starts - out of a jarring 2-second silence- and we see Harley Quinn's legs, I thought I was in a 90's JRPG in which a character's theme song starts playing simply because he/she shows up.

Another thing that is utterly bizarre is how repetitive the film is in its beginning. It's a sin the film commits again later on - in an explanatory rehash of previously played scenes that might as well have had a subtitle with the words "WE ARE SHOWING THIS TO YOU AGAIN BECAUSE WE THINK YOU'RE TOO DUMB TO FIGURE OUT THIS SIMPLE PLOT BY YOURSELVES!" - but it's just bizarre in the start. We literally see and hear how great Deadshot is with guns at least 4 times within 20 minutes of film.

Now that the main negatives are out of the way, allow me to say that the film gradually comes into its own quite nicely. As the story progresses and possibilities for digressions diminish (not for lack of trying, though; the film throws curve balls to shoehorn the Joker in for no dramatic or narrative reasons whatsoever), we get to see these characters and actors interact with each other and, in those moments, the movie sings.

Even the lesser characters are played in an entertaining enough fashion that they become interesting. Katana, Captain Boomerang, Killer Croc and even Amanda Waller (a leading role) have basically no character arc throughout the story, yet they are played by actors who have enough charisma and/or flair (yes, even Jai Courtney, who is a slimy delight in this) that you want to see more of them.

It's almost as if this film is hampered by its plot getting in the way of its wonderful characters. If I had to pick, I'd say Jay Hernandez walks away as the MVP. His character is a walking embodiment of the film's themes, a basic model of what the other main characters end up aspiring to be. In a weaker actor's hands, the role would be the most cloying, obvious thing ever. Hernandez gives the guy an equal measure of heroism and self-loathing to make him a beautifully endearing person.

The 3 leads are, unquestionably, Smith, Robbie and Kinnaman (surprisingly good here). Smith is an expert at balancing movie-star quality and character work, and this is a testament to his talent. It's very much a Will Smith Starring Role (tm), yet you still get a sense of who Floyd Lawton is as his own person.

Robbie is an explosion of charisma and sex appeal come to life. Her accent (and, to a lesser degree, her performance itself) oscillate all over the place. She goes from a damaged woman to a Saturday Morning cartoon character within seconds. Yet, somehow, it works almost all the time (I'm a stickler for accents, so that's also an issue). Some of her zaniness is a little too forced, but she manages to make Harley both a cypher and a force to be reckoned with well enough to be fascinating throughout.

Kinnaman plays what could have been a very bland romantic lead very well. Like Robbie, he flies all over the spectrum, especially in the film's first half. After a while, though, he portrays his character's gradual bond with the team with wonderful humanity.

Sadly, I can't say the same for his romantic pair. Cara Delevigne looks fantastic on camera and, while she sells the frightened human side of her role, her turn as the villain of the film is mostly dull and sometimes even embarrassing. When she goes full evil witch, her performance would have been more in place in a Ghostbusters film than this. She plays Enchantress as a cartoon character in a children's film.

I have more to say , but I thought the movie worked very well, even though this post was mostly filled with complaints.
post #2 of 1303

I very much appreciate the heads up on what DOESN'T work.  This way I won't be sitting in the theater baffled, which to me is a plus.  

post #3 of 1303
Thread Starter 
Thanks. That's why I thought I'd focus on those things - I feel that they're overshadowing what ACTUALLY works, and there's more of the latter than the former in the film.

I'm very interested in what people will make of Harley's sexuality in this. I myself had trepidations over how they'd portray it - it's a big part of her character - and I think they did a good job.

I've read complaints of the "male gaze" on Robbie as a negative point for the film and, while there are shots that highlight her sexiness, I didn't find them to be lecherous or gratuitous. Robbie is, of course, extremely attractive and sexy, so there's that. But the way Harley uses her sex appeal (and her awareness of it) is one that I found very well done and - save for one character whose name is obvious but that I won't mention for the sake of not flat out spoiling things - mostly empowered.




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It's going to be interesting to see how people react to a glamourised portrayal of an abusive relationship in which the glamorisation comes entirely from the victim's viewpoint; something that is quite common in these types of relationships, actually. She's the only one who can't see the Joker for what he is and, conversely, she's also the only who mistakes the harm he does to her for good and ends up backsliding on her growth as her own person at the very sight of him. It's a heartbreaking, and ultimately, sadly realistic storyline.
post #4 of 1303

It sounds like they nailed the Harley/Joker dynamic.  It's heartbreaking, sad stuff, but it's also so easy in 2016 to get afraid and fuck it all up. 

post #5 of 1303
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They really did. What I worry is that the Outrage brigade won't realise that the depiction is askew because it comes from her point of view and, on the other hand, that people will actually take it on face value and see it as a passionate romance, not unlike (stupid) people thinking Tyler Durden and/or Alex DeLarge were cinematic prophets as opposed to mirrors to the audience.

There's a lot of people who have those views.


SERIOUSLY SPOILERS FOR THE FILM'S VERY LAST SCENE


I think the film handled a VERY thorny subject with a good measure of thought and taste. But it doesn't present a happy ending (long-term-wise) for the victim in the relationship. The film literally ends with her walking back her earned privileges in the prison (and her outgrowing her need for the Joker because of the other people in the Squad) when he shows up to bust her out. The scene is played as a happy triumph, but anyone who's paying attention knows that it's a triumph only for the psychopath who's taking back his plaything. She gleefully takes her place as a plaything again, despite having realised that she could be her own independent being. It's heartbreaking but, because it's shown from her POV, it's depicted as exhilarating. I just hope people won't think the film is endorsing what it depicts because that's not what I got from it at all.
post #6 of 1303
That massive shitstorm of bad reviews put me on the fence, so I came in here to be spoiled. Thanks Andre, you've put me back in again. Lame villain? Choppy first half? Codependent relationship from characters long established to be damaged people? I can live with any of that if there's a bit of fun.
post #7 of 1303
A review on a local paper called this disgusting, misogynistic, and racist. The critic is, naturally, a white middle-class male. Kinda made me want to see this.
post #8 of 1303

Curious, how does Batfleck come across here? I thought him the best part of BvS, but I am curious how another director handles him, if only briefly.

post #9 of 1303

It's okay, Bart. Your Lonely Batfleck fanfiction will still be read no matter how he's depicted here.

post #10 of 1303

No no no, he's not lonely anymore. Now he has buddies!

post #11 of 1303
Thread Starter 
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Curious, how does Batfleck come across here? I thought him the best part of BvS, but I am curious how another director handles him, if only briefly.

He's not much of a factor at all. He just arrests a couple folks in flashbacks.

Still a good presence, but he's not even a character per se, more like a plot device (which is good; the film is plenty populated already).
post #12 of 1303
Wow. Okay.

Until this evening Independence Day Regurgitation was the worst film I had seen all year. Suicide Squad has taken that title hands down. Seriously, it's THAT bad.

The critics were spot-on. In fact, I think they went easy on it. An ugly, chaotic, charmless mess of a movie. In fact Batman v Superman was a better film than this. And once again, Ben Affleck is great but he's trapped in a shitty movie.

Underwritten characters. "Jokes" that fall flat - every time. Some pretty ropey effects shot. Two incredibly shitty villains. A paper-thin plot. And its worst crime? It's boring. I looked at my watch, several times.

I don't know who's to blame but I genuinely think DC and WB are in trouble because once word of mouth spreads this think will tank.

Do yourself a favour - avoid like the plague. Go for a nice dinner with your partner or stay at home and watch the great trailers again. And if you haven't actually seen it yet then don't embarrass yourself attacking those who have because frankly you don't have a leg to stand on. Ugh.
post #13 of 1303
Bullshit it's worse than Independence Day 2.

BULLSHIT

That just cannot be possible.

(I'm not attacking you...I just cannot BEEEEEELIEVE that)..
post #14 of 1303
The aliens in ID4-2 should have worn hot pants.
post #15 of 1303
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The aliens in ID4-2 should have worn hot pants.
They wouldn't fill them up much better than Miley Cyrus does..
post #16 of 1303
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Bullshit it's worse than Independence Day 2.

BULLSHIT

That just cannot be possible.

(I'm not attacking you...I just cannot BEEEEEELIEVE that)..

I should clarify - I ENJOYED IDR more because I checked out after about 30 minutes and just laughed and enjoyed its utter awfulness.

With this I was just waiting...for...something...to...happen. Anything.

And it never did. I was bored. And that's not good.
post #17 of 1303
Thread Starter 
This thread is gonna be delightful in a few days.
post #18 of 1303
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This thread is gonna be delightful in a few days.


Why wait??

"Who wears short shorts?!"
post #19 of 1303
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This thread is gonna be delightful in a few days.
Just take a deep breath and gaze into the abyss.

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post #20 of 1303

Can't wait for DOCTOR STRANGE to come out in a few months!

post #21 of 1303
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Wow. Okay.

Until this evening Independence Day Regurgitation was the worst film I had seen all year. Suicide Squad has taken that title hands down. Seriously, it's THAT bad.

The critics were spot-on. In fact, I think they went easy on it. An ugly, chaotic, charmless mess of a movie. In fact Batman v Superman was a better film than this. And once again, Ben Affleck is great but he's trapped in a shitty movie.

Underwritten characters. "Jokes" that fall flat - every time. Some pretty ropey effects shot. Two incredibly shitty villains. A paper-thin plot. And its worst crime? It's boring. I looked at my watch, several times.

I don't know who's to blame but I genuinely think DC and WB are in trouble because once word of mouth spreads this think will tank.

Do yourself a favour - avoid like the plague. Go for a nice dinner with your partner or stay at home and watch the great trailers again. And if you haven't actually seen it yet then don't embarrass yourself attacking those who have because frankly you don't have a leg to stand on. Ugh.


again, somehow I just want to see this more now.

 

usually I don't waste my time and money going to see a movie in theaters when it's gotten THIS many bad reviews. not because I don't want to see and decide for myself, just because I have to be choosey with three little ones at home, it's hard to get away, wifey be like, "really, you're gonna go watch a movie when we got these three coming at us?"

 

but with this one it's like I'm a character in a horror movie or something and there's every warning sign on earth telling me to run the other way but I. just. keep. moving. towards. the. horror...

 

I NEED TO SEE. I NEED TO KNOW.

post #22 of 1303

I just saw Hausu for the first time, so I imagine that would hold onto its crown of "worst I've seen this year."

post #23 of 1303
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I NEED TO SEE. I NEED TO KNOW.

 

Fairly sure that was Belloq's reasoning for opening the Ark of the Covenant too.

 

Just sayin'.

post #24 of 1303

oh, I know. I can feel the impending doom, believe me.

post #25 of 1303
Thread Starter 
Fuddy duddies all of you. ALL. OF. YOU.

I like the movie. Not spectacular or anything but it's a good time.
post #26 of 1303
Not me


...yet..
post #27 of 1303

oh, I know. I can feel the impending doom, believe me.

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Fuddy duddies all of you. ALL. OF. YOU.

I like the movie. Not spectacular or anything but it's a good time.


and you have pretty good taste in movies. weren't we bonding over WKW the other day?

 

I mean there are a choice few critics that like this movie pretty well, some of them even fairly respected, like Bilge Ebiri and Dave Calhoun.

 

CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER.

post #28 of 1303
So I liked this. The editing is a real clusterfuck (In particular, the subway scene with Enchantress), but if you manage to look past that there is a lot of fun character stuff. Standouts for me were Harley, Deadshot, Diablo and The Wall. Surprisingly, I left the movie with no real opinion of Leto's Joker. He's just kind of there. And Hoo Boy, Enchantress has got to be one of the worst comic book movie villains I've seen in quite some time. Yes, even worse than Eisenberg's Lex. Good looking woman for sure, but her monologuing towards the end was cringe-inducing. I dug her Lovecraftian goons though. Overall, I'd give the movie a 7/10. HEAVILY flawed, but I still managed to have fun with it.
post #29 of 1303
The subway scene, so I understand, was substantially adjusted during the editing process.

Earlier edits had the Joker participating in the subway sequence.
post #30 of 1303
Thread Starter 
7/10 is about right.

I say that as the unanimous authority of movie scores.
post #31 of 1303
Just came back from the theater. I saw a movie that was clearly engineered from the ground up to address complaints about the superhero genre's tropes (look, colors! Look, everyone has a powerpoint slide for an origin story! And did we mention the fucking colors?), but I didn't exactly gaze into the abyss of failed moviemaking.

Several of the supporting characters, like Captain Boomerang and the guy who didn't even merit an origin story before his head got blown off, are forgettable. That's largely because Will Smith, Margot Robbie, Viola Davis, Jay Hernandez, and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's makeup person cast shadows that are impossible for anyone else to climb out of. The movie's stars compel one's attention.

The movie feels far shorter than its actual run time. Every time the action stops, the ensemble cast's subsequent dialogue feels like they're developing as characters in a meaningful way, whether they really are or not.

Suicide Squad isn't a timeless masterpiece for the ages, but it was the escape I was looking for after a shit day. I don't know what the critics were looking for, but I had a good time at the movies. From this movie, that was all I expected.
post #32 of 1303

Full spoilers ahead.

 

I'd only seen the first 2 main trailers before I went in, none of the clips or anything else. I didn't read any reviews either, and my Marvel check has yet to arrive in the mail, so this will be the most objective and unbiased review of all time.

 

First the positives. I enjoyed it a lot, it was a good time at the movies. I left with a smile on my face (the random girl in the crowd who exclaimed "Did she say Mr.WAYNE!?!?" during the credits scene helped).

 

The main cast was all likable, and about 3/4 of the jokes landed, which is a good ratio these days.

 

Big Willy is back in style as Deadshot. I didn't even know I missed him. I haven't heard a crowd laughing along with him like this since...ugh, Hancock. Let's go with "I, Robot" as the last good Will Smith popcorn movie instead.

 

Viola Davis held it down tight as Waller. This role easily could've been bad in the wrong hands, but they nailed it. She makes Nick Fury look like a little bitch.

 

I liked Kinneman more than I expected. This is easily his best role since that one background line he had in Daniel Craig's magazine office in Dragon Tattoo Girl. I was the only one in the theater who sputtered at "It's Miller time."

 

Jai Courtney managed not to offend, somehow. What a time to be alive. Killer Croc got a lot of good lines later on, too. Dude just likes being in the sewers.

 

It was pretty amusing how Slipknot and Katana show up out of nowhere, after the team has already been assembling and readying itself and flashing back in and out of their pasts for days. At the point I was just going with the flow on all the stuff they were throwing at the screen.

 

David Ayer's strengths here are mainly the cast interaction and comic timing. That stuff makes up the majority of the movie, so I'd say he was a solid choice. Not much of the action registers, since they never came up with any interesting ways to fight the PG-13 mandated black pus minions. That's not a huge minus, though, since the cast reactions and quips are always the focus, not the physicality and mechanics of the fights.

 

Now for the negatives, and this is a big one. This is the worst editing I've seen in a movie in a long time. Ghostbusters 2016 went down smooth as butter compared to this.

 

It's mostly concentrated in the first half. At times I felt like I was watching a recap clip show of a TV series, or one of those hour long "Last season, on Game Of Thrones..." things HBO does. It is rough as hell. Whoever at WB is responsible for this hatchet job needs to get their ass spanked.

 

The apex of the whole thing is when we cut back to Brenchantress fighting cops in the subway, which he was already doing 5 minutes ago...and then we are hit with, I believe, four context-less location/scene transitions in the space of 90 seconds. People are just straight up teleporting and time travelling. I honestly expected someone in the crowd to yell "What the fuck just happened?". It's day in Midcentury City, then it's night, then it's daytime in Louisiana, then it's sunset in the Subway Station Throne Room (???), then it's fucking day again, then we are in a flashback inside of a flashback inside Rick Flagg's head...aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh!

 

Thank god, the third act settled down a bit. We got a little space to breathe at the bar scene. Pretty much everything was good by then.

 

As for the Joker...you tell me, moviegoers. He's as much of an enigma to me now as he was before I saw the movie. He has like 4 lines of dialogue that weren't in the trailers. If he's not going to be the villain in That Batman: A Batfleck Film, then what the hell was all the teasing and building up here for? But really, he was fine though. Don't worry Leto, your method ego is secure. He came off convincingly psycho when he chose to grace the screen with his presence.

 

So, overall...it's good. Go see it.

post #33 of 1303
Leto did nothing with the time he had to make me think he merited all the press he's hogged since the movie was first announced. When he's interesting, it's because Margot Robbie is making me see him through her eyes. It's probably fortunate that he's not really essential, except as Robbie's origin.
post #34 of 1303

I'd watch this again before I'd rewatch either of the Snyder films ... but it's still kind of a mess.  It felt like the movie started three different times, for one thing.  And it may be brighter, but everything still takes place in the dark, in the rain, or in the dark in the rain.  The only characters we care about are the ones played by actors good enough to bring something to their parts; it really felt like this should have been a collection of villains from the Batman and Flash and other DC hero movies we never got so that we already knew who they were and could just get down to the business of the Suicide Squad story.  

 

And I swear to god, if the two girls behind me had cooed adoringly one more time and the Joker/Harley relationship, I was going to turn around and recommend therapy.  IT'S A TOXIC RELATIONSHIP, YOU WALKING HOT TOPIC DEMOGRAPHIC.

 

I did dig Diablo's big moment at the end, and Smith and Robbie do absolutely nothing to embarrass themselves here.  Akinnuoye-Agbaje is given so little to do but it seemed like he really had something as Croc if he'd been given more time.  Everybody else is a shrug.  And I kind of liked the over-the-top-ness of the Enchantress.  If anything, this is the first DC movie that felt like it was okay to embrace its comic book-ness and not have to be about some BIG IDEA.

post #35 of 1303

Oh yeah, and the Joker is totally irrelevant.  They could have saved him solely for his final scene and lost nothing.  And in fact, had more time to develop the characters the film was actually about.

post #36 of 1303
I love you guys for giving this movie a participation award just like the slow, fat kid at track and field day.

Everyone is special!
post #37 of 1303
This movie is really polarizing! Awesome!

Totally dug it. The editing is atrocious, but it's fairly faithful to the comics while also feeling like a filmmaker is really stretching around, having a blast.

They handled Harley perfectly. I was under the impression that he just shocks her and she's evil, but it's a lot more nuanced than that. I really dig small moments like her hiding her pain before everyone shows up.

Croc was also a big MVP in my theaters, he got a lot of love.
post #38 of 1303

Well, it’s shorter than Batman V. Superman, I’ll give it that.

 

-According to the behind-the-scenes autopsy that’s already come out, DC used trailer guys to edit this, and it really shows. It has BvS’s problems of starting a dozen times, having a half-dozen montages, even repeating itself with multiple scenes of Amanda Waller going over the idea of the Suicide Squad with higher-ups. Only Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy were popular, so every scene gets an on-the-nose pop song laid over it. In one sequence, we go from the Suicide Squad prisoners being recruited to them having to be beat up by the guards so they can be sent on the mission. Huh? Didn’t we just see Deadshot et al agree to this?

 

-Deadshot, by the way... aww, man. I was totally worried about Will Smith essentially just playing him as Captain Woll Smoth, and damn if he doesn’t do exactly that. You go to the comic book Deadshot and he’s this sociopath with a death wish who accidentally killed his beloved brother to keep him from killing his father on behalf of his mother, he’s always doing these badass, cold-blooded things, and Will Smith’s take on that is “I’ll just play him like I do every character, but just to show he’s an evil bastard who kills people for money, occasionally I’ll say something slightly misogynist.”

 

-Like, you know how the X-Men franchise slowly took Wolverine from being this dirty, dangerous outsider and turned him into a grumpy dad? Suicide Squad basically sells out even before anyone makes an offer and has Deadshot as a grumpy dad from the word ‘go.’ Literally! Here is comic book Deadshot’s motivation.

 

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And here’s Will Smith Deadshot’s motivation.

 

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I mean, if you want him to be a straight-up hero, why not make him Bronze Tiger or Rick Flag? 

 

-Also, they do this thing where they introduce the characters with stats and little CGI farts, like “Deadshot--Master of all Weapons.” But they also include little jokes, like Captain Boomerang’s says Fetish: Pink Unicorns. And like, one, there’s a fine line between silly and stupid, and that kind of ‘lol random’ humor is on the wrong side of it. And two, Deadpool did that exact same joke! I mean, My Little Pony, pink unicorn, sex, it’s the exact same thing! 

 

-They even fuck up scenes taken directly from the comics. Like Boomerang tricking Slipknot into blowing himself up to test the explosives. In the comics, it’s Boomerang literally tricking Slipknot. In the movie, they both make a legitimate escape attempt, Boomerang is captured, then he sees Slipknot blow up and is like “oh well.” So you lose the entire idea of Boomerang cavalierly manipulating this guy just to benefit himself. Which is the entire point of the scene. They included this entire character, Slipknot, specifically for this one scene, and they didn’t even understand it!

 

-By the way, I’ve heard a lot of debate over Guardians of the Galaxy keeping their cast down to just a core few guys, with a lot of complaints over lesbian characters like Moondragon or Phyla-Vell being left out, and this movie is the perfect retort. There are a ton of characters in this who don’t do anything. They just beat up zombies in the fight scenes and have reaction shots. You could take out Killer Croc, Katana, even Captain Boomerang, I doubt it would affect the plot one iota. 

 

-Is Katana even that popular? I mean, she basically has the Bronze Tiger role in this--or even Vixen would be a better fit and have a better storyline at that--and she was in Arrow too, and she was in Beware The Batman when Cassandra Cain’s character would’ve made much more sense! Does anyone actually like this character or is DC going “wup, she’s Asian and she’s a woman, two diversity points for the price of one”? Is that why she’s getting shoved down our throat? I just, I don’t see the appeal of this character that she gets so many starring roles. “Her husband’s a sword, except sometimes he isn’t! She has this totally unique power of being able to kill people with swords!” Who gives a shit? 

 

-There’s even a squad of Navy SEALs that go with the Suicide Squad on their mission--because if there’s one thing the Transformers movies have taught us, it’s why should we focus on larger-than-life characters that could only exist in these fantastical stories when we can follow a generically handsome actor pretending to be a Marine?--and just having them there begs the question of why they’re sending in these not-so-super-villains instead of, say, a big army. A capital-A Army, you might say. Harley Quinn, remember, is a pretty good gymnast who can hit people with a baseball bat. I don’t see any scenario where she’s going to be more useful than, say, Chris Kyle.

 

-Just as an example, near the end, the villain tempts the Suicide Squad with visions of their greatest fantasies--and we don’t even see the fantasies of most of the characters, just Harley, Rick, Floyd, and El Diablo. So why include these other characters who don’t serve the story or make any impression? GotG, I know how Rocket Raccoon feels about Drax, or how Gamora relates to Groot. Suicide Squad, I don’t know if Katana even looked at Killer Croc, much less Captain Boomerang. 

 

-Oddly, the Joker himself is one of those might-as-well-be-a-cameo, as he doesn’t affect the plot at all. I like the idea of him being a wild card in the Squad’s mission, but all he does is show up for five minutes, then leave, having changed nothing. It’s both too much of him to ‘whet the appetite’ for a confrontation with Batfleck, because I feel like I’ve seen everything the portrayal has to offer (i.e. a Heath Ledger impression, but with tats!), and too little to really justify itself. If he just showed up in one scene, it could’ve been an interesting tease, but as it is, I’ve seen it all. 

 

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-And I know people are going to blame DC for cutting the movie down to slam poetry like they did BvS, but I think even in the conception, the movie was flawed. The whole idea of the Suicide Squad is that they’re a metahuman dirty tricks bunch. They do stuff like go onto foreign soil and perform black-ops missions, assassinations, hunting down superpowered terrorists on unfriendly turf or extracting political dissidents. Like, the Jotenheim storyline, where the team has to destroy an impenetrable base filled with metahuman terrorists-for-hire located inside a rogue state? That’s a Suicide Squad story.

 

Here, though, they’re trying to stop a supervillain who has taken over an American city with zombies and has a big blue laser shooting into the sky to end the world. You know, like...

 

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It feels like it could be the Teen Titans’ beat, the Outsiders’ beat, the Justice Society’s beat, anyone’s! Just generic hero stuff, not anything shady or gray. 

 

-And this goes on for three days! Where’s Wonder Woman? Where’s Batman? Where’s the Flash? We know they’re active, we see them in cameos in this very movie--so they’re up for stopping bank robberies, but when a major metropolitan center is under attack, they stay out of it? What the fuck? 

 

-Said supervillain is the Enchantress by the way, a Suicide Squad member who goes rogue--there’s a refreshing villain idea for you--only since she hasn’t gone on any missions with the Squad, there’s no real bite to her betrayal. They have to make up this corny backstory about her being in love with Rick Flag to even pretend anyone gives a shit. So basically in this movie, the Squad isn’t going on some impossible mission only they can do, they’re just cleaning up a mess that they, by proxy, made. It’s like if the Dirty Dozen never went into Germany because Telly Savalas escaped and started killing hookers and they had to go catch him instead. What’s been accomplished? Nothing! 

post #39 of 1303
Thread Starter 
Add my brothers to the "fuddy-duddy" team. Both HATED the film. One called it "embarrassing" and the other told me to go fuck myself for saying it was fun.


Good thing we're as close as we are, cuz otherwise the film could have made them craft a plot to disown me as a family member.
post #40 of 1303
Starts in five. I have a full Theater of people trapped with me this time! Delightful!

See you on the other side my children.
post #41 of 1303
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Starts in five. I have a full Theater of people trapped with me this time! Delightful!

See you on the other side my children.

I'm legit excited to know what you'll think of/how much you'll hate this, Freems.
post #42 of 1303

 Suicide Squad is an OK movie with a top notch cast; yes that includes Jai Courtney.

 

 SPOILERS SPOILER SPOILERS

 

   The movie gets off to a slow start because it has Waller introduce the concept of the Suicide Squad twice. Right off the bat I knew this wasn't going to be the movie the trailers made it out to be. Speaking of trailers, for me this movie was the reverse of Ghostbusters. I thought Ghostbusters was going to be a sub par painfully unfunny  movie because of its trailers, but I would up enjoying it. I thought Suicide Squad was going to be an irreverent comic book movie with a lot of wild action; in reality is an average action flick. Aside from Diablo fighting Enchantress's brother and the first time Deadshot guns down a bunch of monsters, the action scenes are nothing to write home about.

 

  The cast does make this movie watchable. Smith was great as Deadshot; it was good to see him use his charisma to play an antihero. Robbie was fun as Quinn. She played the character a lot like how she was on Batman TAS but with more menace. Courtney was fine as Boomerang. I got the vibe he enjoyed being a lowlife. Leto's Joker won't make people forget Ledger, but he was fine in what screen time he had. Davis was great as Waller. She had no problem using the ends to justify the means.

 

  The soundtrack tried why too hard to be like GOTG's. What made it work in Guardians is that most of those songs aren't played on the radio much, where as Seven Nation Army is played on a regular basis. Also the needle drops in Suicide Squad seemed like they where trying too hard to be cool, where as GOTG made it look effortless.

 

  The mid-credit scene of Waller and Wayne was good. I did like that the scene shows she knows Bruce is Batman.

 

 

 I'd give this 5 out of 10.

post #43 of 1303

"Now THAT'S a KILLER APP!" is the worst joke I've heard in a movie since probably 1987. I wanted to instantly murder-suicide the entire theater when it happened. 

post #44 of 1303

Waiting for Freeman...

post #45 of 1303

I liked it probably about as much as Andre.

 

 

 

It's not half bad.  Yes, the needle drops are painfully obvious and aping Guardians, yes the editing is weird and the coloring of the footage was obviously a lame late in the game attempt to "Neon" the movie up past the credits, and yes there's little things all over the place that are stupid, or bad silly, or don't really work.

 

I guess why I like it is because it's pretty low brow.  It's a super duper simple straight forward genre movie.  At one point it's a plain old zombie survival flick.  The action isn't amazing or memorable at all really but the real key to the movie is the Squad.  They're just fun enough, and just interesting enough together that it kept me with it.  Will Smith is Will Smith, which is frankly enough for me.  Charismatic badass old Will brings to Deadshot more A list cred than the character has ever deserved.  He has a really really lovely moment where he's just on top of a car shooting and all of the army guys are just watching him in total awe take on  like 30 zombies alone.  

 

The Killing guy is fine as Flagg.  There's not much there but I sort of liked his gruff drawl attitude.  Margot as Harley is fun and sexy.  Diablo is pretty cool, it's a shame he's no longer around.  Slipknot is the guy who dies about as fast and in the specific way everyone predicted.  Sadly Katana, Boomerang, Croc are left to have very little character at all beyond looking cool.  I would have appreciated a genuine effort to make the entire team matter on the writing front, otherwise why are they even there?  You could lose all three and you wouldn't lose much.  I even liked Enchantress a lot.  Her pigpen/demon eyes form looked COOL as FUCK, so I always appreciated when that was around.  Even when she transforms into "formal wear" Enchantress, and she's gyrating and flailing around and being totally and completely embarrassing I kind of digged it as total shlock.  It was amusing in a RedLetterMedia bad camp is entertaining kind of way.

 

Batman is great!  FINALLY Affleck Batman totally clicks for me.  His look is amazing, and he actually brings in Floyd without murdering his face!  He got a really nice Animated Series Batman moment where his tragic villain gets brought low by an emotional catharsis.  I loved him rescuing Harley, but carefully springing her trap and punching her in the face before doing it.  Dawn of Justice Batman would have let both of them drown.  I must assume that Bats got both Deadshot and Harley a while ago, because frankly it's hard to believe he would bring them in alive.

 

Now for my two things that don't work.  INCUBUS.  He is the worst.  He's Gods of Egypt bad.   You've got the SUICIDE SQUAD, people who take on crazy metahuman terrorist threats, and what Ayer decides on is this complete garbage?  And another sky portal?  Like he seriously sat around writing one day and said to himself "this could REALLY use a big sky portal..."  This movie would have been 1000 times better if the threat was "Joker and a bunch of terrorist metahumans have taken over a skyscraper and are threatening something or other" and the Squad has to stop their evil plan leading to an interesting emotional dilemma for Harley, rather than "an entire city is being completely destroyed and none of the Justice League shows up at all to help."  Incubus is even worth than the damn Destroyer from Thor 1.  I mean at least that dude had that cool loud weird sound and mouth thing going on.

 

The other thing that totally did not work...  Joker.  You know how Jared Leto is kind of a total douchebag air head?  This is totally that man's take on the Joker.  He's not aggressively awful, he doesn't shame himself and he's not unbelievable as a human or anything.  Everything from the trailers about his rock star look and the way he carries himself is still technically there and it works I guess.  But when he actually gets a couple of seconds of time, when he gets a SCENE to establish who his Joker is and why he's exciting or interesting it's just bad.  Unremarkably bad.  It's a little boy pretending to do what Ledger was doing with his method performance and completely failing to understand anything about it.  It's a shame, because the Harley Joker relationship was actually weirdly fun to watch. A good version of that relationship should always be from Harley's eyes, and we should feel as smitten with the Joker as she does on some level.  We're supposed to feel something there so that we feel extra shame when he beats her up or berates him or does something abusive and awful.  Harley is all about understanding from the inside what a tragedy an abusive relationship is, and here even though Joker does awful stuff to her, they're mostly smitten and in love until the final frame.  We never got that moment of understanding.  I hope it's coming in the future.  

 

What was the post credits scene btw?  Also, I had to piss like a race horse and left from the start of the Eminem needle drop to the end of that scene when Waller gives her "pep talk".  What did I miss aside from the trailer bit of Harley taking her shirt off?

post #46 of 1303

That's the mid-credits one. There was no post-credits scene.

 

 

post #47 of 1303
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That's the mid-credits one. There was no post-credits scene.

 

 

Thanks!  Pretty unremarkable.

 

So Thor has a 77 percent on RT.  This has a 27.  That's insane.  If anything both movies deserve a nice solid 60, 65.  They're both fine.  They do some things pretty effectively, and other things leave a lot to be desired.  For the flailing DC universe this was a much needed upswing, lets hope Wonder Woman is the First Avenger of the Murderverse that it appears to be.  

post #48 of 1303

The first THOR is way, way better than SUICIDE SQUAD.

post #49 of 1303

I'm glad you didn't hate it, for you sake. Your evening wasn't a total waste of time. I saw it for free so fuck it, no loss.

 

The ONLY thing I took away from this is that I still desperately want to see a standalone Ben Affleck Batman movie.

 

Plus, AMAZINGLY, Jai Courtney for once isn't terrible. But once his character is introduced he does nothing. I mean he does absolutely NOTHING on the mission. You could lift him straight out of the film and it would make zero difference. Baffling.

 

And Leto's Joker is utter shit. Just awful. He's trying waaayyy too hard and fails on every level.

post #50 of 1303
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The ONLY thing I took away from this is that I still desperately want to see a standalone Ben Affleck Batman movie.

Yes.

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Plus, AMAZINGLY, Jai Courtney for once isn't terrible. But once his character is introduced he does nothing. I mean he does absolutely NOTHING on the mission. You could lift him straight out of the film and it would make zero difference. Baffling.

It was odd, from the trailers you assume he's going to be the drug addict who drags the team down in some way, or he's going to try to screw them over or do SOMETHING.  After that conversation with the movie's other nothing character Slipknot, he's pretty much done other than a line here or a joke there.

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And Leto's Joker is utter shit. Just awful. He's trying waaayyy too hard and fails on every level.

Truly embarrassing.  When he makes the guard kiss his ring and then he sits on him and grabs his face and stuff, it just really felt like a moron thinking to himself "What would Ledger do right now?"

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