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post #101 of 1308
*here we go Joker gif*
post #102 of 1308

Thinkpieces will only net this more viewers, don't these dudes know that by now?

post #103 of 1308
Joker and Harley are sexy as fuck.

Otherwise, utter utter shit.

Woof!
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post #105 of 1308
I saw Suicide Squad. You shouldn't.
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Even me?
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Especially you.
post #108 of 1308
Looks like SS will be making huge money in its OW no matter what. It's going to be interesting to see if it will have a big drop like BVS did.
post #109 of 1308

Will Suicide Squad take a Suicide Dive after opening weekend? We wait with baited breath!

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Especially you.

Oh, fuuuuck!
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*here we go Joker gif*

 

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post #112 of 1308

I think the general audience will be much kinder to Suicide Squad then Batman v Superman, mostly because it's not 3 hours long and mostly boring. 

post #113 of 1308
It's mostly boring.
post #114 of 1308

I wasn't bored. I was sometimes confounded, occasionally annoyed, but mostly entertained at a base level. And I have my finger on the pulse of the average joe moviegoer so you'd do well to heed my prophetic words. 

post #115 of 1308
Who do I trust?!
post #116 of 1308
Trust yourself, Bandito.

And me.
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post #118 of 1308
Because I enjoyed this one, if only makes logical sense for Brad to hate it.
post #119 of 1308
That AV Club article is painfully terrible. Damn that site has fallen into the shitter.
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Because I enjoyed this one, if only makes logical sense for Brad to hate it.

Oh, fuuuck!
post #121 of 1308
If we both like it we have to get married and move to a nice and beautiful hillside cabin together and star in a new reality TV version of "The Odd Couple."
post #122 of 1308

Which will only last one episode because Bradito would "accidentally" drop a plugged in toaster into your bubble bath.

post #123 of 1308
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Which will only last one episode because Bradito would "accidentally" drop a plugged in toaster into your bubble bath.

From the Dawn of Justice perspective, that's not actually murder though so it's cool.  The toaster killed me, not him.  

post #124 of 1308
If there is only a 1% chance of that toaster going into the tub, we have to take it as an absolute certainty!!!
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I think the high percentage of comedy in the meat of the film is going to make opinions on it more subjective than the average comic book movie (I mean, all opinions are subjective, but...you know what I mean).

 

Also, the aformentioned B-movie vibe isn't for everyone. We all are willing to forgive different kinds of flaws from movie to movie. I'm more willing to forgive a movie that goes for it all the way, with it's heart in the right place, than I am something that just rises to a certain basic level of competency and not much more.

 

Side note: I dug the Tony Scott-esque misty lighting in the final fight. It was like something out of a Highlander movie.

post #126 of 1308

I get why this film is going to be divisive. Artless editing for the first act info dump, terrible needle drops, a lame villain, an underbaked script, and nothing much for memorable action are legitimate criticisms of the film.

 

OTOH, it is a pure B-movie genre film with some good performances and a real auteur's aesthetic. Considering how some movies in the genre have gotten a pass for being generic, inoffensive nothings, I'm glad we have something like this. And, heck, I'm pretty happy that the Hispanic character got the redemption arc.

 

I didn't love it or anything, but I think there's interesting stuff going on. Being rough around the edges isn't always the worst thing in the world.

post #127 of 1308

I thought it was super duper hilarious to see Diablo in his normal white picket fence happy family button down shirt environment and he still has all the absurd tattoo's.  That was hilarious in that campy way.

 

I also deeply enjoyed when Flagg got captured again briefly and somebody yelled "They took our Flagg!  Protect the Flagg!"

post #128 of 1308
Sweet Nelly Fertado this was just muddy shit. I saw it in 3D (don't bother) so it was muddier than usual, but holy fucking Christ it was just a pile of fucking shit topped with shitty little sprinkles of shit.

Harley's naughty little bottom isn't even worth the price of admission.
post #129 of 1308
The passionate vengeful angry haters in this thread who are being so eloquent in their dislike are going to have to start explaining the why behind the hate so we can start a conversation here. What makes this aggressively worse than any other middle of the road not terribly remarkable but watchable flick with storytelling problems etc?
post #130 of 1308

  While I was let down by the movie, I didn't hate it. My problem is the trailers made me think I was going to see an irreverent comic book movie meets The Dirty Dozen and what I got was a slightly below average action flick. The Squad themselves are good, they just deserve to have a better movie around them.

 

 If one wants to see an irreverent comic book movie, go see Deadpool. 

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  While I was let down by the movie, I didn't hate it. My problem is the trailers made me think I was going to see an irreverent comic book movie meets The Dirty Dozen and what I got was a slightly below average action flick. The Squad themselves are good, they just deserve to have a better movie around them.

 

 If one wants to see an irreverent comic book movie, go see Deadpool. 

I "liked" the movie, but there could have been a SO MUCH BETTER movie around this Squad.  Not to mention every single member except for maybe Diablo could have had better stories.  

post #132 of 1308
I'll join the fun, solid but forgettable camp on this one.
It's much better than the mess that was BvS, but this one earns a lot of passes on performances over action/plot.
Still on the fence on Leto's Joker; I have to see him against Affleck's Batman to really form an opinion, but I have little problem with this encarnation of the character.*

*If WB/DC wee smarter, they should really do Under the Red Hood as the Batman story for Affleck's film; have Jason Todd come back as Red Hood and hunt the Joker down, putting an older, more hopeful Batman against the wall with facing his former Robin and saving his most hated enemy from him.
Seriously, cast a great actor as Jason Todd, and the foundation for a great Batman film is there.
post #133 of 1308
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I "liked" the movie, but there could have been a SO MUCH BETTER movie around this Squad.  Not to mention every single member except for maybe Diablo could have had better stories.  


  Deadshot had a good backstory. While he is a cold blooded killer, he still loved his daughter and wanted her to think highly of him. The scene of him explaining all the variables of shooting someone was touching in a twisted kinda way.

post #134 of 1308
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I'll join the fun, solid but forgettable camp on this one.
It's much better than the mess that was BvS, but this one earns a lot of passes on performances over action/plot.
Still on the fence on Leto's Joker; I have to see him against Affleck's Batman to really form an opinion, but I have little problem with this encarnation of the character.*

*If WB/DC wee smarter, they should really do Under the Red Hood as the Batman story for Affleck's film; have Jason Todd come back as Red Hood and hunt the Joker down, putting an older, more hopeful Batman against the wall with facing his former Robin and saving his most hated enemy from him.
Seriously, cast a great actor as Jason Todd, and the foundation for a great Batman film is there.

Nope, Winter Soldier beat them too it.  It's way too similar.  The stuck in Arkham with all his villains idea is better.

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  Deadshot had a good backstory. While he is a cold blooded killer, he still loved his daughter and wanted her to think highly of him. The scene of him explaining all the variables of shooting someone was touching in a twisted kinda way.

Yeah that's true.  But even so Diablo and Deadshot's stories were very very standard by the numbers stuff.  Just a little bit more of something there would help.  

post #135 of 1308

 I did like that Diablo sacrificed himself to make amends for killing his family.

 

If this movie gets a sequel, than Shane Black should write and direct it.

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Nope, Winter Soldier beat them too it.  It's way too similar.  The stuck in Arkham with all his villains idea is better.

Good point. I still think it would work with a good script that focused on Jason Todd/Red Hood willingly being a deadly vigilante that opposes Batman ( giving a good source of conflict for Batman, since Tood's death affected him so much).

But I don't trust WB/DC to be able to do right by that idea.

If WB wants to go the traditional blockbuster way for their movies, fine by me, as long as they are entertaining.
But Marvel taking more gamble with directors and characters, along with their long term planning (even if it makes the whole universe a bit generic/familiar) makes them the undisputed champion on the genre.
Hell, I'm absolutely amazed with how weird they went with the use and visuals of magic in Dr Strange...and the talent both behind and in front of the camera for Thor Ragnarok and Black Panther sure is light years behind DC in terms of variety and quality.
DC needs more risks, freedom and fresh talent when it comes to creating their movies, pure and simple; Disney already learned that lesson, and WB better do soon too.
post #137 of 1308
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 I did like that Diablo sacrificed himself to make amends for killing his family.

If this movie gets a sequel, than Shane Black should write and direct it.

I like the cut of your jib, my friend.
Also, more villainous super villains or freaks for the squad.
post #138 of 1308
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Good point. I still think it would work with a good script that focused on Jason Todd/Red Hood willingly being a deadly vigilante that opposes Batman ( giving a good source of conflict for Batman, since Tood's death affected him so much).

But I don't trust WB/DC to be able to do right by that idea.

If WB wants to go the traditional blockbuster way for their movies, fine by me, as long as they are entertaining.
But Marvel taking more gamble with directors and characters, along with their long term planning (even if it makes the whole universe a bit generic/familiar) makes them the undisputed champion on the genre.
Hell, I'm absolutely amazed with how weird they went with the use and visuals of magic in Dr Strange...and the talent both behind and in front of the camera for Thor Ragnarok and Black Panther sure is light years behind DC in terms of variety and quality.
DC needs more risks, freedom and fresh talent when it comes to creating their movies, pure and simple; Disney already learned that lesson, and WB better do soon too.

I would love to see Under the Red Hood live action also.  But we do have the fairly good animated movie already, so it's a bit of a redundant story to tell.  Plus, Jason Todd being a different kind of vigilante from Batman because he crosses the line, which is the primary conflict between the two characters...  Well you can see how that no longer can work.  Having a Batman who kills in a distanced Burton universe of it's own is fine.  Having him kill in what is supposed to be the prime comic book universe was foolish, as it affects LOTS of other comic book storylines too.  

post #139 of 1308
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Freeman, I feel like you have similar taste to mine with all this comic bullshit. I've seen you list comics I hold dear. Do you like Batwoman? Have you seen BAD BLOOD?

I'm sorry I didn't see this!  I love the newish Batwoman stuff, and I haven't watched Bad Blood yet.  Is it good?

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I like the cut of your jib, my friend.
Also, more villainous super villains or freaks for the squad.


 I know King Shark is a member in the comic.

post #141 of 1308
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I'll also say that the blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment that recreates this image... 




...DID put a giant smile on my face and got applause from some folks. 

Yeah, this was my favourite "Easter Egg".

After really cumsy exposition dump first 20 minutes I enjoyed this. The sum was much lesser than the parts though. It was so choppy.

Daughter loved it.
post #142 of 1308

It was a little odd that the relationship is presented as "Joker seems to genuinely love and have affection for Harley."  He abuses her, tortures her, uses her, but you never get that final moment where he's truly exposed as the selfish insane dick that he is.  In fact, the very last beat of the movie is Joker continuing his relentless pursuit to get her back.  It's much more weirdly romantic and not as creepifying and sad as I expected it to be.  The animated series from which she was born always makes it clear, though Joker has affection for Harley, he will cut and run from her the second there's trouble.  But here he won't STOP trying to rescue her!  It's the total opposite. The Harley dream where she and a non Jokerfied Jared Leto are married in a perfect suburban life is a particularly sweet, weird moment.  Although I guess that's all from Harley's POV so makes sense.  

post #143 of 1308
sitting in my local cinemarrrr

waiting for the 10:30 pm showing of

SPEEEEEDWAY SQUAAAD
(in color!)
post #144 of 1308
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sitting in my local cinemarrrr

waiting for the 10:30 pm showing of

SPEEEEEDWAY SQUAAAD
(in color!)

I literally just PM'd you maybe two minutes ago.

 

WE ARE ONE MINDDDDDDDDD!

post #145 of 1308

It's a shame they treat Harley the way they do in this. The whole Joker/Harley thing has always made me uncomfortable and I would have loved them to do something different with it. Of course that would have made some fanboys rage like crazy.

post #146 of 1308
The point of the relationship is to make you uncomfortable. Like I said in the animated series from which she originates villains always have a moment near the end where the tragic, heartbreaking crushing reality comes crashing down on top of them. Every great bat villain not named Joker has that moment of tragedy, and Harley is no different. Her moment is realizing she's in an abusive relationship. That's why it's so odd the final shot is almost a triumphant thing with the happy couple.

8 minute mark. The Joker Harley thing is SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable. Because even if there's affection there, it's always going to be a tragedy.

If I was writing the movie, Joker would have obviously been the villain because COME ON. Harley's story would have been being smitten with Mr. J, only to eventually over the course of an arc realize she's in a HORRIBLE relationship and end the film with her broken away from it. Heartbroken, sad, tragic. But ultimately on the other side away from him and healthier. That way every single time the two are on screen together there's conflict to explore. Harley's story in the film has no conflict at all. She loves Joker and Joker loves her and they end the film over the moon for each other. I dare say it's a misunderstanding on the level of Batman or Superman in previous flicks.
Edited by Freeman - 8/5/16 at 11:23pm
post #147 of 1308

No kidding. Too bad they couldn't portray Harley as a strong character instead of being in love with a psychopath who beats and tortures her. Of course that would call for a well written script that didn't basically make her a sex object to put asses in seats and boners in jeans. 

post #148 of 1308
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No kidding. Too bad they couldn't portray Harley as a strong character instead of being in love with a psychopath who beats and tortures her. Of course that would call for a well written script that didn't basically make her a sex object to put asses in seats and boners in jeans. 

But that's part of my point.  Part of the soul of the character is about abuse and weakness. The entire interesting thing about her is she is a tragic victim of Joker's abuse who cannot see his bad qualities past his good ones.  To remove that element of her story would be to miss the point of a tragic villain for the sake of modern sexual politics.  It's icky uncomfortable stuff so I understand people bristling at it, but I think her ending the story having come to terms with it and splitting off from the Joker as she does in canon and coming to her own stronger place would be a really nice compromise. 

post #149 of 1308
It's a compromised movie, but I enjoyed it!

It has too many characters to serve and only ends up having to sideline a bunch and have them standing around in the background.

Hey, we ended up getting another Ghostbusters movie this year!
post #150 of 1308
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It's a compromised movie, but I enjoyed it!

It has too many characters to serve and only ends up having to sideline a bunch and have them standing around in the background.

Hey, we ended up getting another Ghostbusters movie this year!

Enchantress would have been a WAY better villain than Rowan.  

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