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IT WASN'T WILL SMITH???

post #302 of 1303
He got lost in his three-story trailer that day.
post #303 of 1303

poor guy!

post #304 of 1303
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That must've been to paper over some reshoot shenanigans.

 

Sure, but the lack of an in-story reason aggravates the writer in me.

post #305 of 1303
I like how Batman's all, "Let's not do this in front of your daughter, Deadshot."

Couldn't Batman have waited until he dropped his daughter off? He's doing this on purpose!
post #306 of 1303

shame on that gotham bat!

post #307 of 1303

To be fair, it's Batfleck. I'm surprised he didn't just throw a batarang into the girl's face and chalk it up to "acceptable casualties". 

post #308 of 1303
I also like how they establish that Deadshot is really good at hitting his targets, so later he can teach his daughter geometry.
post #309 of 1303

perhaps he could've picked her up and used her as some part of a rudimentary lathe...

 

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I also like how they establish that Deadshot is really good at hitting his targets, so later he can teach his daughter geometry.
 
aw that was CUTE!
post #310 of 1303
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I also like how they establish that Deadshot is really good at hitting his targets, so later he can teach his daughter geometry.

 

I actually thought that was a nice scene which treated it's audience with a bit of intelligence in understanding that Deadshot would be good at geometry because he bounces bullets off things.

 

And then his daughter related it to bouncing bullets off things and I realized the script didn't think we had any intelligence after all. 

post #311 of 1303

hahahahahaha

post #312 of 1303

Speaking of the bar scene. Why did Flagg return to the bar? Did the random red shirts he took to the fight get wiped out? Or did he just give up and send them home too?

post #313 of 1303

I assume he went into the bar as a final desperate attempt to get them to help him.

 

While his men waited outside with Scott Eastwood.  Remember, they were still involved with helping Croc get to the bomb that destroyed God of Egypt.

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This image pretty much sums up the whole movie.  Three guys I think are very talented, and who have all been pretty popular for the last decade or so, but it's kinda embarrassing to admit you like them.  I liked Suicide Squad, but don't ask me why.  The movie was shot so dark, I feel like I barely really saw it anyways.

 

 

I imagine that between takes, these guys hashed out a schedule to take turns opening for Ke$ha at the Vegas Hard Rock.      

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Speaking of the bar scene. Why did Flagg return to the bar? Did the random red shirts he took to the fight get wiped out? Or did he just give up and send them home too?
they showed a shot of him picking up picture from the top secret file as they went on. I think it was a picture of him and June which reminded him how desperate he was to save her. I projecting the second part of that statement because he wouldn't need a picture to remind him of that. It would always be on his mind.
post #316 of 1303
What are these damn dark complaints? This movie popped bright! You need to get on your theaters asses because they're dimming fierce. BvS was disgustingly dark.
post #317 of 1303

My showing of BvS was great!

 

Even the dark scenes were nice and poppy!

 

AW YEA BIG SCREEN DUAL-LASER PROJECTED IMAX!!!

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I saw it  at a Carmike "Big Format" theater that lost it's IMAX branding a few years ago.  With the 3d Glasses on, there was barely any contrast, it looked like a Russian cam-rip.  I'm not even sure the projection was over 4K, even though the screen used to be a full-blown IMAX.

 

I saw Star Wars there and thought it was dim because of the glasses, but this was ridiculous.  My friends picked the venue, but my wife and I decided we're going to veto that place in the future.

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I saw it  at a Carmike "Big Format" theater that lost it's IMAX branding a few years ago.  With the 3d Glasses on, there was barely any contrast, it looked like a Russian cam-rip.  I'm not even sure the projection was over 4K, even though the screen used to be a full-blown IMAX.

 

I saw Star Wars there and thought it was dim because of the glasses, but this was ridiculous.  My friends picked the venue, but my wife and I decided we're going to veto that place in the future.

yeah, even when it comes to lie-MAX... it seems that such venues at least get some degree of presentation standards right.  I imagine they send their own people to make sure everything is tip-top.

 

So even for Suicide Squad, I chose to see it in lie-MAX 3D.  And even with the 3D, it looked good.  No problem with the presentation.  

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What's kinda great about this whole "let's leave Leto out of this promotional tour" is that it helps make the rest of the ensemble's camaraderie pop even more positively than it might normally (since it's a part of the job for everyone to be chummy while promoting the movie).

post #322 of 1303
That's the most Cara Delevingne's ever emoted in her life. She probably needed to take a nap after that selfie.
post #323 of 1303
She's actually a fairly animated, exuberant person.
post #324 of 1303
Why's she awful in this movie then?

Tell me why!!
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Why's she awful in this movie then?

Tell me why!!
Because being an energetic person in real life doesn't make you an energetic performer? Because the role was outside of the scope of her abilities? Because Ayer didn't know how to direct her? Because this is a cruel and unforgiving universe?

I hear that she's good in PAPER TOWNS.
post #326 of 1303

oh man, I have no interest in ever seeing paper towns

 

Based on the trailer anyway.  Beyond that, I haven't heard anybody actually discussing how the movie itself was.

post #327 of 1303
She is an actual crazy person. And I thought she was great.


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oh man, I have no interest in ever seeing paper towns

Based on the trailer anyway.  Beyond that, I haven't heard anybody actually discussing how the movie itself was.

It actually is pretty decent. I liked it much more than Fault in Our Stars. She is fine in it, but the role doesn't require a ton of her. She is just supposed to he a manic pixie dream girl who the male central character eventually learns cannot live up to the picture he has built in his head of her.
post #329 of 1303
I am firmly off Team Fuddy Duddy. This movie was pretty fun. Did they over use certain musical tropes? Did they underuse certain actors? Was there a fire sale on cgi helicopter crashes? Sure.

You could kill this movie with 1000 cuts but why bother? It's a lot of work to feel smarter than a movie you knew was what it was going in.

Leto is mostly bad but y'all are tripping hating on Delevigne. She knows exactly what movie she's in and delivers something similar to the ever-beloved Weaver in Ghostbusters.
post #330 of 1303

Further discussion.

 

-So like I said, I feel they got Deadshot almost entirely wrong--like, if you constructed a movie to comic book Venn Diagram, the overlap would look something like “uses guns and has reproduced”--but here’s something that’s interesting to note.

 

Now I’m not too interested in the Discourse or reductive debating like “Suicide Squad hates women!” I’m honestly not invested enough to either defend Suicide Squad or critique it overly. I saw an article criticizing a moment where Slipknot hits a female guard and it’s played for laughs and I’m kinda like... but it would be okay if he hit a male guard, as Captain Boomerang does in the same scene, and that were played for laughs?

 

I mean, equal treatment?

 

-Of course, I also think it’s a bit rich to claim ‘they’re bad guys!’ as a justification for them being misogynistic, using guns, what have you, given how clearly they’re meant to be taken as cool and sympathetic. I mean, the first scenes in the movie are of the Squadies being tormented by brutal prison guards, after which we’re clearly meant to root for them to stick it to the Man. (Of course, we could also debate the tastefulness of portraying police violence against women and black men for the purpose of making more appealing heroes in Bad Guy Patrol: The Movie, but there’s only so much I want to discuss a movie with Slim Shady on the soundtrack in the year of our lord 2016.)

 

-Point is, in the comics, Deadshot has two kids. He had a son, Eddie, by his wife Susan, who he left to be the scumbag we all know and love. He stays away from them because he knows he’s no good for either of them, since he kills people for money. Eventually, Eddie is murdered as part of a power struggle Deadshot is embroiled in. He blames Susan for not changing her name and moving away, as she was waiting for him to come back to her, but he’s obviously in the wrong. 

 

(The Arrow TV show extrapolates this split as him leaving her due to PTSD from his army service, which is a reasonable enough interpretation.)

 

Of note is that Deadshot is a full-on misanthrope, if not a misogynist, who exclusively has sex with prostitutes after leaving his wife. One of them, Michelle, became pregnant, upon which she got clean, had Deadshot’s daughter Zoe, and raised her on her own. Deadshot found out when she was an adolescent, tried to help out the family situation both with money and killing local criminal elements, but though he had a romance with Michelle, he eventually left to keep being a cold-blooded murderer-for-hire.

 

Again, woman’s in the right, he’s in the wrong.

 

In the movie, Deadshot pretty openly implies that his ex-wife is a slut--sleeping all day and going out at night and needing to be taken care of by their daughter. So he wants to and can be a good father, but isn’t able to because of his imprisonment. The circumstances are changed and the mother figure thrown under the bus in the interest of Floyd’s story and making him intensely sympathetic. And not, you know, a deadbeat dad who absolutely shouldn’t be responsible for children even if he didn’t kill people for money.

 

-There’s also the matter of Harley Quinn. And I’m sure the ending of her arc, with her getting back together with the Joker, will bother a lot of people. To say nothing of her attire and general... sassafras. And I think this might be a case where the character is so many things to so many people that it’s just impossible to please everyone. I mean, who is Harley Quinn? Sex symbol? Power fantasy? Comic relief? Tragic figure? She’s basically all of those things, in different degrees and with different facets. If you take out the jokes because we shouldn’t laugh at an abuse victim, that’s a disservice to the character. If you take out the abuse because just having her be the Joker’s willing henchwoman would be less problematic, that’s a disservice to the character. If you take away all her badass qualities to emphasize how miserable her life is, yadda yadda.

 

All of which is to say that I don’t have a problem with the movie ending with her still in the Joker’s thrall. It’s taken years--even decades--for Harley to be fully free of the Joker in comics, and to reduce her time as ‘the Joker’s queen’ to a few minutes in a flashback montage recapping her origin seems like a waste. Then there’s the issue of how, if you get rid of the central metaphor of her being abused by the Joker, what’s the point of her character? That’s what I saw as the problem with her book after Gotham City Sirens. Palmiotti and Conner are good creators, but now that she’s done with the Joker, she’s just kinda wacky for no reason. 

 

So what I’m saying is, Nolan took three movies to show Bruce Wayne getting over the death of his parents. Give Harley Quinn a little time to break away from the Joker, since it is her defining conflict. Don’t rush her into being a strong independent woman who don’t need no man just for the sake of politics.

 

-As for the Joker’s performance itself, there’s a copy of a copy aspect to it. We’re basically watching a Heath Ledger impersonation, and I would’ve preferred either an entirely new take on the character or a more classically canon interpretation. We’ve seen a grungy Joker before, so a more grungy Joker with worse material (and worse acting) isn’t exciting. I would’ve liked to have seen the more pompous, pretentious Joker of the comics--there’s a reason he wears a tuxedo and styles himself the Clown Prince of Crime, after all--rather than this Ritalin-deprived kindergartner in a grown man’s body. At least with the more ornate, nattily-dressed, ‘cool’ Joker, you can see the appeal that would seduce Harley into this lifestyle.

 

tumblr_inline_obkc6amxFt1qd7trb_540.jpg

 

Once you turn him into a human howler monkey, it becomes less immediate and more fait accompli that Harley joins him. Especially if it’s Harley’s story, we should see some of the appeal he holds to her, not just dismiss her as having a weird fetish for men who make idiots of themselves.

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In short, I liked it. It was good, bordering on very good. But there is much better movie there.

What holds it back was the jumbled first 30-35 minutes. Such a mis mash of things that do work, don't work or are just unnecessary. Like the scene with Common. What was the point of that aside from wasting Common. And the needle drops, geezus. They worked for Guardians in part because they weren't stacked on top of each other, here you were just getting pummeled by pop music.

That said, once they get to the city things finally seem to settle down.

Will Smith was fantastic. The hero shot of him finishing out the zombie horde when they first encounter them was perfect. Davis, Robbie and Hernandez were pretty good too, even if Hernandez was a slow burn (yup). I especially loved El Diablos true form, some kind of ancient Aztec fire demon or something. I think Croc could have been something special if he was given more to do.

I actually kinda liked Leto Joker. But maybe that's because he wasn't in there very much. I've got no problem with a psycho drug dealing gangster version of the character. The Harley/Joker love stuff...I'm not smart enough to try and analyze it beyond "it's fucked up." That shot of her in the traditional Harley costume though...yikes. A nice call back sure, but woof it looked crappy.

Did like seeing a non-lethal, pre-breakdown Batman complete with a gun-less Batmobile. And this from a guy who had zero issues with how he handled his business in BvS.

I'd watch a sequel.
post #332 of 1303
Croc's big line in the bar actually got a guffaw and some claps from my audience.
post #333 of 1303
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Further discussion.

 

-So like I said, I feel they got Deadshot almost entirely wrong--like, if you constructed a movie to comic book Venn Diagram, the overlap would look something like “uses guns and has reproduced”--but here’s something that’s interesting to note.

 

Now I’m not too interested in the Discourse or reductive debating like “Suicide Squad hates women!” I’m honestly not invested enough to either defend Suicide Squad or critique it overly. I saw an article criticizing a moment where Slipknot hits a female guard and it’s played for laughs and I’m kinda like... but it would be okay if he hit a male guard, as Captain Boomerang does in the same scene, and that were played for laughs?

 

I mean, equal treatment?

 

-Of course, I also think it’s a bit rich to claim ‘they’re bad guys!’ as a justification for them being misogynistic, using guns, what have you, given how clearly they’re meant to be taken as cool and sympathetic. I mean, the first scenes in the movie are of the Squadies being tormented by brutal prison guards, after which we’re clearly meant to root for them to stick it to the Man. (Of course, we could also debate the tastefulness of portraying police violence against women and black men for the purpose of making more appealing heroes in Bad Guy Patrol: The Movie, but there’s only so much I want to discuss a movie with Slim Shady on the soundtrack in the year of our lord 2016.)

 

-Point is, in the comics, Deadshot has two kids. He had a son, Eddie, by his wife Susan, who he left to be the scumbag we all know and love. He stays away from them because he knows he’s no good for either of them, since he kills people for money. Eventually, Eddie is murdered as part of a power struggle Deadshot is embroiled in. He blames Susan for not changing her name and moving away, as she was waiting for him to come back to her, but he’s obviously in the wrong. 

 

(The Arrow TV show extrapolates this split as him leaving her due to PTSD from his army service, which is a reasonable enough interpretation.)

 

Of note is that Deadshot is a full-on misanthrope, if not a misogynist, who exclusively has sex with prostitutes after leaving his wife. One of them, Michelle, became pregnant, upon which she got clean, had Deadshot’s daughter Zoe, and raised her on her own. Deadshot found out when she was an adolescent, tried to help out the family situation both with money and killing local criminal elements, but though he had a romance with Michelle, he eventually left to keep being a cold-blooded murderer-for-hire.

 

Again, woman’s in the right, he’s in the wrong.

 

In the movie, Deadshot pretty openly implies that his ex-wife is a slut--sleeping all day and going out at night and needing to be taken care of by their daughter. So he wants to and can be a good father, but isn’t able to because of his imprisonment. The circumstances are changed and the mother figure thrown under the bus in the interest of Floyd’s story and making him intensely sympathetic. And not, you know, a deadbeat dad who absolutely shouldn’t be responsible for children even if he didn’t kill people for money.

 

-There’s also the matter of Harley Quinn. And I’m sure the ending of her arc, with her getting back together with the Joker, will bother a lot of people. To say nothing of her attire and general... sassafras. And I think this might be a case where the character is so many things to so many people that it’s just impossible to please everyone. I mean, who is Harley Quinn? Sex symbol? Power fantasy? Comic relief? Tragic figure? She’s basically all of those things, in different degrees and with different facets. If you take out the jokes because we shouldn’t laugh at an abuse victim, that’s a disservice to the character. If you take out the abuse because just having her be the Joker’s willing henchwoman would be less problematic, that’s a disservice to the character. If you take away all her badass qualities to emphasize how miserable her life is, yadda yadda.

 

All of which is to say that I don’t have a problem with the movie ending with her still in the Joker’s thrall. It’s taken years--even decades--for Harley to be fully free of the Joker in comics, and to reduce her time as ‘the Joker’s queen’ to a few minutes in a flashback montage recapping her origin seems like a waste. Then there’s the issue of how, if you get rid of the central metaphor of her being abused by the Joker, what’s the point of her character? That’s what I saw as the problem with her book after Gotham City Sirens. Palmiotti and Conner are good creators, but now that she’s done with the Joker, she’s just kinda wacky for no reason. 

 

So what I’m saying is, Nolan took three movies to show Bruce Wayne getting over the death of his parents. Give Harley Quinn a little time to break away from the Joker, since it is her defining conflict. Don’t rush her into being a strong independent woman who don’t need no man just for the sake of politics.

 

-As for the Joker’s performance itself, there’s a copy of a copy aspect to it. We’re basically watching a Heath Ledger impersonation, and I would’ve preferred either an entirely new take on the character or a more classically canon interpretation. We’ve seen a grungy Joker before, so a more grungy Joker with worse material (and worse acting) isn’t exciting. I would’ve liked to have seen the more pompous, pretentious Joker of the comics--there’s a reason he wears a tuxedo and styles himself the Clown Prince of Crime, after all--rather than this Ritalin-deprived kindergartner in a grown man’s body. At least with the more ornate, nattily-dressed, ‘cool’ Joker, you can see the appeal that would seduce Harley into this lifestyle.

 

tumblr_inline_obkc6amxFt1qd7trb_540.jpg

 

Once you turn him into a human howler monkey, it becomes less immediate and more fait accompli that Harley joins him. Especially if it’s Harley’s story, we should see some of the appeal he holds to her, not just dismiss her as having a weird fetish for men who make idiots of themselves.

I've known about that Joker cosplayer for quite some time, and he's like...  PERFECT.  Spot on, looks exactly like how I picture the Clown Prince of Crime in reality.  I can picture Harley falling for a guy who's handsome like that and just oozing charisma with the perfect hair and suits etc.  The cholo Joker with a nasty looking grill and crazy tats and stuff?  I don't really understand why Harleen would be drawn in by that repulsive thing.

 

I quite like the Grant Morrison idea of playing the Joker as a Bowie type who's always changing his clothes, always changing his look and how he's acts a little bit.  So by the time we meet Joker in Suicide Squad 20 years into a career in crime he's almost like this multiple personality disorder guy who's got all of these different Jokers kind of loosely bouncing around inside of his head that all come out depending on his chaotic mood in the moment.  One is angry crazy pyscho Joker, one is jovial goofy genuinely funny Joker as a tribute to Romero, one is pitch black dark humor Joker, one is like a Heath Ledger tribute methhead, one is the gangster and thug etc, and you just find an actor who's versatile enough to jump from one version of the Joker to another to another to another within a single scene.  That's probably the direction I would have taken him.

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I would've loved to see the Joker as sort of a late-night talk show host, or stand-up comedian, although obviously he's killing people and setting off bombs. The thing is, he shouldn't act like a crazy person or a thug, he should act like an underappreciated, grandiose artist. He has to have a certain self-image and vision of himself, not just do KRAZY stuff because he's a NUTJOB! That's what draws Harley in, not sex appeal (entirely), but being a part of this legend, this self-constructed mythology.

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Take the hottest online quiz! What does your Joker say about you?
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I would've loved to see the Joker as sort of a late-night talk show host, or stand-up comedian, although obviously he's killing people and setting off bombs. The thing is, he shouldn't act like a crazy person or a thug, he should act like an underappreciated, grandiose artist. He has to have a certain self-image and vision of himself, not just do KRAZY stuff because he's a NUTJOB! That's what draws Harley in, not sex appeal (entirely), but being a part of this legend, this self-constructed mythology.

 

That was Black Mask in the early to mid 2000's comics. Essentially a Psychopathic David Letterman. 

post #337 of 1303
I just want a full-on birthday clown with a little pistol.
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Take the hottest online quiz! What does your Joker say about you?

That I've got ADD.  

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that I like to poop
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Take the hottest online quiz! What does your Joker say about you?

 

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latest?cb=20120216231849

 

aw yea

post #342 of 1303
FUUUCK this thread and the Rogue One version filled with TFA hatred. Whining about the minutiae of the movie in your head that you didn't get is called fanfic. DeviantArt is still a free login, right?
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Take the hottest online quiz! What does your Joker say about you?

 

I kept bubbling "C" and ended up with this:

 

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FUUUCK this thread and the Rogue One version filled with TFA hatred. Whining about the minutiae of the movie in your head that you didn't get is called fanfic. DeviantArt is still a free login, right?

post #345 of 1303
What a weird movie. You can feel the studio pressure and maybe Ayer straining to make it more conventional. It totally does shoehorn in some shit for that purpose. It totally does force lame jokes in at odd moments to try to up the fun factor. The script was clearly rushed as fuck because DC seem to have no sense of what it takes to craft a quality film. The editing is an absolute atrocity that robs the film of any narrative rhythm or flow and makes nearly all its character and action and humor beats fall off of the beat. The central conflict is lame but the actual action is even worse. Maybe the action could have come out okay in a different edit, I dunno. It is not a good movie. It is closer to a bad one... But these characters actually intrigued me. There were fleeting moments where their dynamic was unlike anything we have seen in a superhero movie. The aesthetic, when it was not being chopped and screwed into a hell dream, actually had some bite and texture to it. Smith, Robbie, Kinnaman, and Davis were all good. I dunno about Let's Joker but, uh, he certainly was not boring.

I dunno this is seriously some of the worst editing I have seen in a long time. The movie just felt severely damaged by meddling shenanigans. You can see base problems with the film but if it is mediocre it is mediocre in an interesting and distinct way, which is more than I can say for chores like Thor 2 or Iron Man 2.
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FUUUCK this thread and the Rogue One version filled with TFA hatred. Whining about the minutiae of the movie in your head that you didn't get is called fanfic. DeviantArt is still a free login, right?

But there isn't a movie in my head!  I have no imagination!  I whine about the movie that these were obviously trying to beeeee!!!

 

Also, I totally didn't realize that I was whining in the Rogue One thread!  I usually click on these threads based on the latest comment, so I just run with it!  Sorry!

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RedLetterMedia:

 

post #348 of 1303
I can't really overstate how bad the editing is in this movie. The two scenes where Deadshot goes into zen shooting mode feel like the only two effectively edited bits in the whole film. The whole rest of the movie you never feel in sync or present with the movie's story or entertainment or drama because the editing is just CONSTANTLY jarring you, or lagging, or going too fast, or jumping indiscriminately between scenes, at points that feel nigh random. It creates a complete wall of removal. You never get sucked in, you just keep thinking, "I am sitting in a theater watching a string of images that seem to have been spliced together by a team of monkeys." I don't know if the movie was shot with just horrible scene construction and then those scenes horribly connected or if most of the blame can be laid on the editing. I want to say the latter because there are all these glimmers throughout the thing of something that once might have been promising. The bar scene does not make much sense at all because the whole incitement of it is dumb and it's almost like some last ditch effort to cram some character development in... And it is also edited poorly and the film just grinds to a complete halt for it. But something about it sort of works. You start to feel for these broken people who are recognizing the brokenness in each other and giving each other acceptance. It doesn't come anywhere close to earning the "family" stuff that gets thrown around at the end, but it was an attempt. There are some beautiful performance moments from Robbie. On the stairwell with Deadshot (though, again, the scene is set up so poorly) or how she hides her pain. There are the hints of a theme... What does it mean to be "bad," and yet human? Who are the irredeemable? Or is there such thing? Or are there those, such as the Squad, who have built a life right on the edge of that, and must stay there? When they dream of the lives they want, there is something incredibly sad about it, especially Harley's vision. The scenes of Deadshot with his daughter are obvious but effective. There is some bona fide cinematic cinematography in this comic book movie, my God, with play of light and shadow and some strong compositional moments... It is just so hacked up in movie form you can almost only appreciate the shots if you only think of them individually, maybe why the movie has such potent visual impact in trailer form yet feels like a muddled visual mess in full context.

I can't like this movie and that is frustrating cuz I think there might be a fair bit to like if it hadn't been so mishandled in a couple very key areas.
post #349 of 1303
Oh yeah, the helicopter crashes were hilarious.
post #350 of 1303
The family line was a bit clumsy considering how short a time he was with the squad. It still works but wording it with "people" would have sounded better.
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