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post #401 of 1303
On the other hand, does this movie expect you to pretend to care that its threat is anything other than a big horde of nonentities? Because blah blah Chitauri blah blah rocket-cycles blah blah fffffuuuuuck who even cares Avengers we just want to watch people quip and banter and beat up Tom Hiddleston.
post #402 of 1303
If you didn't care about the last 40 minutes of the avengers you don't have a pulse.

Defending suicide Squad by claiming "who even cares" is obviously not a great argument.
post #403 of 1303
I care about the last 40 minutes of The Avengers, more or less. I just don't even give a shit who the hell the bug rocket cycle zzz snore, mumble mumble portal blehhh.

Also I'm not defending Suicide Squad, I'm just asking the question.
post #404 of 1303
What an absolute waste of time in that case. Why would David Ayer sit down to write this movie and start from the premise of lame villains, lamer lackeys and sky portals? Do they not understand yet that big blue light in the sky death plan is unacceptable in 2016?
post #405 of 1303
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What an absolute waste of time in that case. Why would David Ayer sit down to write this movie and start from the premise of lame villains, lamer lackeys and sky portals? Do they not understand yet that big blue light in the sky death plan is unacceptable in 2016?
Hahahaha no what are you talking about Freeman. Avengers made all the money, and it had a sky portal and an army of nonentities, so obviously if Suicide Squad has a sky portal and an army of nonentities, it'll make all the money! How do you ever expect to become a bigshot producer if you can't grasp that simple logic?
post #406 of 1303

Die Hard in a Sky Portal. Summer 2018.

post #407 of 1303
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If you didn't care about the last 40 minutes of the avengers you don't have a pulse.


I must be dead then.

 

Bunch of sound and fury via nondescript filmmaking is like a good Ambien for me. just gotta put the volume low.

 

Hulk rag-doll smashing Loki did get a good chuckle, though, I will give it that!

post #408 of 1303
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sorry

busy

for I lost my car

The bubbly-heads just looked so clueless! It's cute! They're such random nonsense... unlike the Chitauri who are really generic monster skeleton creatures x 1000000


I did kind of like the look and idea of the bubbleheads. Like zombies made out of volcanic black pumice but that can use guns and stuff. Or I guess like Borg and Enchantress is their Borg Queen. Or something. P.S. The FX on Incubus were sooooooooooo bad.

 

It was predictable and dumb that Enchantress basically has a kissing line to create them, though, and yes, the movie pretty much completely wastes whatever potential bubbleheads had as baddies because the action in the movie is so shit.

 

other sidenote: what the heck is the deal with Waller once she gets captured? in the hellish whirlpool that is this film's editing I think they showed during the action climax (if you can call it that) some random shot of Waller, like, underwater or something with some glowing tendril attached to her head or something, and then after Enchantress is undone Waller kind of just walks out from behind a rock, all dry and composed and shit, and starts talking smack.

 

SUCH A MESS


Edited by wasp - 8/9/16 at 9:45am
post #409 of 1303

The whole movie was that kind of mess, so by that point I just ran with it.

 

THIS IS MY REALITY NOW.

 

post #410 of 1303
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Hahahaha no what are you talking about Freeman. Avengers made all the money, and it had a sky portal and an army of nonentities, so obviously if Suicide Squad has a sky portal and an army of nonentities, it'll make all the money! How do you ever expect to become a bigshot producer if you can't grasp that simple logic?

There's a biiiiiig difference between being the movie that started the trend by doing the tropes really well and making them become a thing people copy, and being the ten thousandth copy cat of that thing.

Context my lovely.
post #411 of 1303

In The Avengers, at least someone went INTO the portal, and at least we nuked whatever was on the other side.

 

That is how you handle a sky portal.

post #412 of 1303
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Die Hard in a Sky Portal. Summer 2018.

 

Plotting this out. 

 

We open in Switzerland.  John McClane is flying to Switzerland to meet Zeus's nephew. Zeus died in a horrible explosion and John's bringing his motherfucking ashes to spread.  Zeus's nephew works at the Large Hadron Collider, and they're on the cusp of unlocking the god-particle. 

 

Out of nowhere, terrorist take the facility! 

 

McClane was taking a leak when the attack happened and now he's crawling around inside the particle collider.  But the aliens have Zeus's ashes and curiously scan them. This seems weird, but the audience thinks, "Hey, whats up with Zeus's ashes?" He manages to isolate the terrorist/alien/bank robbers one at a time, even managing to get hold of a satchel containing the dilithium needed to open the wormhole.  He wraps a computer monitor around the dilithium, throws it down an elevator shaft opening a hole in time.  He uses the hole in time to pull out a still living Zeus.  Turns out Zeus didn't actually die, he was pulled through time.  The body they thought was Zeus was really a burnt to a crisp alien.  Time travel!

 

And there's enough residual dilithium in the ashes for the aliens to open the wormhole! See, there's a reason we showed them scanning the ashes earlier.

 

Now McClane and Zeus are caught up in a deadly game of Simon says with the alien leader, H'anz Gr Ubr (performance captured by Charles Dance). Turns out this wasn't just a terrorist attack/space robbery...it was also revenge!  For generations aliens of the Gr Ubr dynasty have schemed to amass the wealth of the universe, spreading across galaxies to execute increasingly complex crimes...never leaving a trace.  Anyway, H'anz has setup a series of complex puzzles for John to solve while he works on the getting the wormhole open. 

 

There's a another double-cross where you find out the inept UN allowed the break-in to happen and planned for McClane to be there to stop the aliens so they could rob the space bank themselves. But they didn't count on Zeus being there.  Anyway, action happens.  We get a boring third act that takes place in a foggy, obviously green-screened alien bank.  The movie climaxes with McClane jumping out of the collapsing sky portal, tethered to a fire hose whilst shooting H'anz with a gun that Zeus's nephew teleports into John's hand.  In the TV version he says "Yippy kay yay, Mr. Ferengi!"

 

Christmas music over the credits.

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post #414 of 1303
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Originally Posted by HypnoToad View Post
 

 

Plotting this out. 

 

We open in Switzerland.  John McClane is flying to Switzerland to meet Zeus's nephew. Zeus died in a horrible explosion and John's bringing his motherfucking ashes to spread.  Zeus's nephew works at the Large Hadron Collider, and they're on the cusp of unlocking the god-particle. 

 

Out of nowhere, terrorist take the facility! 

 

McClane was taking a leak when the attack happened and now he's crawling around inside the particle collider.  But the aliens have Zeus's ashes and curiously scan them. This seems weird, but the audience thinks, "Hey, whats up with Zeus's ashes?" He manages to isolate the terrorist/alien/bank robbers one at a time, even managing to get hold of a satchel containing the dilithium needed to open the wormhole.  He wraps a computer monitor around the dilithium, throws it down an elevator shaft opening a hole in time.  He uses the hole in time to pull out a still living Zeus.  Turns out Zeus didn't actually die, he was pulled through time.  The body they thought was Zeus was really a burnt to a crisp alien.  Time travel!

 

And there's enough residual dilithium in the ashes for the aliens to open the wormhole! See, there's a reason we showed them scanning the ashes earlier.

 

Now McClane and Zeus are caught up in a deadly game of Simon says with the alien leader, H'anz Gr Ubr (performance captured by Charles Dance). Turns out this wasn't just a terrorist attack/space robbery...it was also revenge!  For generations aliens of the Gr Ubr dynasty have schemed to amass the wealth of the universe, spreading across galaxies to execute increasingly complex crimes...never leaving a trace.  Anyway, H'anz has setup a series of complex puzzles for John to solve while he works on the getting the wormhole open. 

 

There's a another double-cross where you find out the inept UN allowed the break-in to happen and planned for McClane to be there to stop the aliens so they could rob the space bank themselves. But they didn't count on Zeus being there.  Anyway, action happens.  We get a boring third act that takes place in a foggy, obviously green-screened alien bank.  The movie climaxes with McClane jumping out of the collapsing sky portal, tethered to a fire hose whilst shooting H'anz with a gun that Zeus's nephew teleports into John's hand.  In the TV version he says "Yippy kay yay, Mr. Ferengi!"

 

Christmas music over the credits.

UGGHHHH enough with the CHUD fan fiction geeeeeeez!

post #415 of 1303

Die Hard on a Message Board.

 

John McClane's stuck on a message board with an asshole who doesn't get hyperbolic posts that were made in support of his own arguments. 

post #416 of 1303
SS actually makes fun of Waller's abrupt return without a scratch. Deadshot (pretty archly) says "How are you not dead?" and gets a blank stare in return. My audience was amused.

Perhaps it's a good question...for another time?
post #417 of 1303

That's true. I wonder if they added that line in a reshoot when they realized they were gonna cut the final action scene up into utter incoherency. How aware of them.

post #418 of 1303

I'll just leave this here.

 

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

post #419 of 1303
Uggggghhhh
post #420 of 1303

 

This is a great article.  Thanks for mentioning it.

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post #422 of 1303
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In The Avengers, at least someone went INTO the portal, and at least we nuked whatever was on the other side.

 

That is how you handle a sky portal.

 

*also works for deep-sea portals.

post #423 of 1303
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I'm not sure I understand this. Didn't the guard slip the cell phone to her? I'm probably missing an inside joke.
post #424 of 1303

Wait, what cellphone?

post #425 of 1303
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I'm not sure I understand this. Didn't the guard slip the cell phone to her? I'm probably missing an inside joke.

He did. 

 

I think they just missed it or decided to turn it into a running joke for themselves.

 

Weird moment too, because I think Barinholtz gives Robbie the phone while walking along with a bunch of other people.  Not the most secretive moment to make that pass...

post #426 of 1303

In the main review for Suicide Squad they wondered aloud how Harley got the cellphone, even though the movie shows explicitly how that happened.  This video was no doubt a reaction to thousands and thousands of emails pointing this out to them.  

post #427 of 1303

I loved how the movie spent a couple minutes on that scene with Leto trying to be extra menacing and it amounted to, "hey, man, can you give my girlfriend this phone?"

 

I suppose the guard may have also given Joker and his crew details about what was happening in the prison and so on and how to raid it, but if so it was one of endless things the movie flubbed communicating. Even just a few choice shots or lines of dialogue could have helped elucidate some of that. Skim a minute off Leto hamming it up.

 

Just realized this movie has 3 helicopter crashes and two Joker prison raids! It's like Ayer was grasping for plot action beats to use and just kept coming up with the same ones.

post #428 of 1303

Just got from back from this thing. Now I'm someone who enjoys both Man of Steel and BvS so I was totally open to more of the same - tonally inconsistent and quasi-nonsensical but interesting and brimming with ambition - what I wasn't expecting was for the film to be so goddamn BORING. Everything from the plot and arcs down to the obvious soundtrack and needle drops was just so vanilla that it's not even worth nitpicking. I genuinely distrust the taste of anyone who actually thinks this is a better movie than MoS or BvS.

 

EDIT: and the less said about the Joker the better. It's not that Leto can't deliver the performance, he's just given nothing to work with. The guy's written as a typical loose-cannon, someone who's all friendly until one of his underlings steps out of line.


Edited by Evi - 8/10/16 at 9:11am
post #429 of 1303
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Just got from back from this thing. Now I'm someone who enjoys both Man of Steel and BvS so I was totally open to more of the same - tonally inconsistent and quasi-nonsensical but interesting and brimming with ambition - what I wasn't expecting was for the film to be so goddamn BORING. Everything from the plot and arcs down to the obvious soundtrack and needle drop was just so vanilla that it's not even worth nitpicking. I genuinely distrust the taste of anyone who actually thinks this is a better movie than the MoS or BvS.
Same

I'm gonna use a noojism again and declare this one of the most broken movies I've ever seen. I didn't HAAAATE it as much as ID2 or Ghostbusters....but those were clearly just what they were and are never gonna be anything else. Suicide Squad was taken and violated and destroyed after the fact. I'm no filmmaker so when even I can see the ragged seams you know it's bad..
post #430 of 1303

There are seams and all sorts of structural weirdness. The first act seems to go on for eternity, and Joker's presence makes zero sense. It's also clear that the wacky tone and neon look were rammed into the film after the fact. Still I can't really imagine a better version of the film, only one that's less messy. 

 

Will Smith is also a pretty big problem. He's almost always the most interesting person onscreen by sheer strength of charisma but his refusal to act against type is ridiculous. They couldn't give him a personality other than WILL SMITH MOVIE STAR and maybe make him, y'know, a little bit villainous??

 

On the plus side, I thought Kinnaman was surprisingly good and Robbie could be great with better material and without the Joker.

post #431 of 1303
I must ask. What happens with Wonder Woman now? Is Warner Brothers going to start harassing Patty Jenkins, or have they learnt to leave shit alone?

As good as Robbie was, Smith completely saves this. I have to imagine every line that came out of his mouth was reworked by him. I'd pay money to see a Deadshot film over a Cyborg film that's for sure. His moment annihilating the, whatever they were, was brilliant, and the score in that scene made me loathe the song choices even more.

Leto's performance sums the whole film up, completely toothless. Nicholson was funny, Ledger was scary, Hamill was both... Leto was neither. If they allegedly cut all this footage of him why keep him in at all? You're left with nothing, he's barely a subplot.

That's how the film feels, just nothing. They dragged it so far from what it (presumably) would have been that it barely exists. Smith and Robbie kept me from being completely bored but the rest of it... at least in F4nt4stis4c F4 you could have some fun playing spot the wig.
post #432 of 1303

Know who deserves their own movie? Viola Davis. I'd watch the shit out of an Amanda Waller movie.

post #433 of 1303
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I must ask. What happens with Wonder Woman now? Is Warner Brothers going to start harassing Patty Jenkins, or have they learnt to leave shit alone?
Haha, need you even ask? After BvS got savaged and had a major drop after the first weekend, they were waiting for Suicide Squad's reception with bated breath. Now that it's getting middling-to-bad word-of-mouth, they've got to be getting antsy - and if this one also has a significant drop, you can expect them to go into full-blown panic mode. Jenkins probably won't even be able to make it on-set for the throng of random executives desperately trying to implement their own "fixes."
post #434 of 1303
I just realized that Angela Bassett played Amanda Waller in The Green Lantern..
post #435 of 1303

Davis was really good. I somehow didn't horribly mind her twenty minutes of voice-over to introduce the characters, and I hate voice-over. So that's some sort of testament.

post #436 of 1303

Yeah, Davis is so good that I didn't mind how her character made so little sense.

post #437 of 1303

Exactly.

 

She was like, "Go ahead and try to waste me, movie. Go ahead and try."

post #438 of 1303

"I saw what you did to Angela Bassett, WB!  NOT THIS TIME."

post #439 of 1303

Finally got out to see this.  I may be done with big movies for a while.

 

First the good. Margot Robbie and Will Smith were great. They were so good that they almost make you enjoy the movie,.....almost. Also Viola Davis, she sold the shit out of that evil bitch.

 

Now the bad:

1. Editing, the first act was like a long bad trailer.

2. Soundtrack, this is the worst, most obvious soundtrack I have seen in a movie. I almost threw up when it served up the Bohemian Rhapsody montage at the end.

3. The joker icon on the cell phone. Was that supposed to be a personalized emoji? Was there a test audience who did not know who was texting Harley? That shit got an audible laugh in my theater, and not a good one. 

4. Enchantress Dance: I have not seen anything that awkward since the 8th grade graduation dance.

 

And most of all, Joker. I had held out hope for the Leto Joker. I think Leto can be good in some things. But that Joker seemed like a suburban kid playing at being edgy. There was no menace, no crazy, nothing. I think if this Joker stood face to face with Viola Davis' character he would wet himself. 

post #440 of 1303
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I must ask. What happens with Wonder Woman now? Is Warner Brothers going to start harassing Patty Jenkins, or have they learnt to leave shit alone?
Hollywood? Learn a lesson?

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post #441 of 1303

I had a real gripe with her just shooting her downtown team (spoilers, I guess).  I know Amanda Waller is a HARD-ASS BITCH.  But that wasn't particularly true to her character at all.  Seemed so casual and random.  And I'm supposed to believe that Boomerang was a villain for robbing bank deposit boxes???  Wherever the line is between brutally competent and nigh-psychotic and bad 80's villain, shooting the tech team crossed it with almost no discernible value added.

 

Anyways, Viola Davis was great, though.  No surprise.

post #442 of 1303

Sure Waller doesn't make much sense and the movie glosses over the fact that everything is pretty much her fault.

post #443 of 1303
I didn't understand why she kept the statue with a powerful god trapped inside in her closet.
post #444 of 1303
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He did. 

 

I think they just missed it or decided to turn it into a running joke for themselves.

 

Weird moment too, because I think Barinholtz gives Robbie the phone while walking along with a bunch of other people.  Not the most secretive moment to make that pass...

 

Yeah, that scene is kind of absurd. It's like:

 

GUARD #1: "Harley, I've got a message for you." *Pushes cell phone toward HARLEY * "It's FROM MR J"

 

GUARD #2: "Lalalalalalala."

 

GUARD #3: "Hmmmm. I wonder what the J could stand for? Oh well! Lalalalalalalalala."

 

HARLEY: "Yay for Mr J!"

 

GUARD #4: *Whistles the theme tune to 1978's Superman and stares up at the sky in thought*

post #445 of 1303

I can't remember, did we even get any sort of closure for Ike Barinholtz's character? Deadshot swears he'll get him, Harley laughs and tell him he's in big trouble when he passes her the cellphone and he then proceeds to disappear from the film.

post #446 of 1303
There's going to be an Empire podcast with Ayer.
In the meantime here are 17 things that should clarify a lot......or not about the movie.

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/suicide-squad/suicide-squad-spoilers/
post #447 of 1303
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I can't remember, did we even get any sort of closure for Ike Barinholtz's character? Deadshot swears he'll get him, Harley laughs and tell him he's in big trouble when he passes her the cellphone and he then proceeds to disappear from the film.

 

He's firing the minigun on the chopper when Joker arrives to fetch Harley. Presumably he dies in the ensuing crash.

post #448 of 1303

no, I thought that was that other white dude minion of the Joker who looked like he stumbled in from a different David Ayer movie.

 

God, the editing in this movie sucks.

 

It's like nothing fully registers. It wasn't really unmemorable in a boring way, it was unmemorable in a "the editing won't let my brain keep the details straight" kind of way.

post #449 of 1303
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He's firing the minigun on the chopper when Joker arrives to fetch Harley. Presumably he dies in the ensuing crash.


Huh, I totally missed that. Thanks.

post #450 of 1303

I bought the Official Novelization yesterday. Since these books are based on early drafts of the script, i assume this was David Ayer version being depicted.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
1) The scene where Deadshot's daughter pleads him to put the gun down. Gone. Batman takes Floyd down after he drops off Zoe with her Mom. 
2) Harley asking Batman why he saved her. "Joker took something from me. And now i am taking something from him."
3) Boomerang knows Flagg from previously. He's also really dislikes Harley.
4) The monsters the team meets in the city? Way, way harder to kill here. Deadshot shoots several of them in the head to no effect. Croc is actually the most effective fighter here.
5) Harley is also depicted as more of a seductress. Reaching out to each of the team Members to protect her. She's smart enough to know fighting is not her strong suit.
6) Over a million and a half people were killed in the first night of the takeover. 
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