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Previously titled STORY OF YOUR LIFE.

 

Here's the first teaser:

 

Holy cow.  

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Kinda wished I waited for the full trailer here. 

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Not me.  I honestly don't want to see any more as I'm sure that a trailer would show every single story beat, and I get the feeling that this is one where you want to go in as cold as possible.

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Where's Charlie Sheen when you need him?

 

(Plays like Rendezvous With Rama except they came right to us this time.)

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I get that. But man... I just want a movie to be good for once. Maybe I'm looking to be convinced.

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I get that. But man... I just want a movie to be good for once. Maybe I'm looking to be convinced.

 

Well it's Denis Villeneuve (SICARIO, PRISONERS, BLADE RUNNER 2) behind this.  As such, I'm confident that it will be...at a minimum...'good'.

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Shit, I fucking forgot. 

 

Ignore what I said.

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I am so down.

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I consider Ted Chiang one of the premier science fiction writers of our time, and Denis Villeneuve another poe-faced 'auteur' with no sense of humor and nothing interesting to say. No one is going to be able to do this story justice, in particular, so it's even more of a bummer. 

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:'(

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if Villeneuve brings his aesthetic sensibilities to a story worth telling, and maybe a good performance or two, it could be really good!

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I think so. Villeneuve is my new favorite director.

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*bursts through door, winded*

"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!"
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I think so. Villeneuve is my new favorite director.


I just don't know if he's worked with a great script yet so I'm holding out hope. Sicario had a decent story but I wouldn't call it a really strong one. Prisoners and Enemy had some storytelling/thematic issues. I didn't really care for Incendies.

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Wasn't much of an Enemy fan, but Prisoners was fucking fantastic.

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I thought Prisoners had some strong performances and Deakins is a god, I just thought the characterizations and motivations didn't always make the most sense and the structure was a bit awkward. I'd call it a good movie, though. And that race to the hospital, my goodness, DEAKINS.

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Villeneuve seems to be a filmmaker with more style than storytelling sense. Not that he's a bad storyteller, I just think he's someone who seems to put more thought into the visuals and as a consequence his movies tend to be hit or miss for me. He is very much cut from the same cloth as Ridley Scott (making his Blade Runner 2 hiring perfectly in line). I liked his first black and white poem on gun violence (Polytechnique), Enemy was a stylistic exercise in search of a story, Prisoners seemed too character driven for its own good (like most his movies, the mood amd performances is the best thing about it), Sicario is the best thing he's done by far...seemed to balance story, character, visuals, thematics and mood just right.

Hopefully he continues to get better and better. I refuse to watch the trailer for this. I generally don't watch trailers anymore anyway, but in this case he's a filmmaker who's films I'm comfortable going into blind for maximum impact.
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Villeneuve seems to be a filmmaker with more style than storytelling sense.
Absolutely.
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Mmm... I find his storytelling fresh and unconventional, but I wouldn't say he has no sense of it.

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I didn't say he had no sense of story, I said his sense of style seems to take the forefront. To me at least.
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His style is what tells the story for me. He's like Kubrick in that way. 

 

I don't think he's style over substance though.

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I admire Villeneuve's tremendously accomplished formalism, but am generally suspicious of the thematic development in his films. Villeneuve's films are frequent not as smart as he seems to think they are. The term idiot savant would be much too harsh, but there's something to it.
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I admire Villeneuve's tremendously accomplished formalism, but am generally suspicious of the thematic development in his films. Villeneuve's films are frequent not as smart as he seems to think they are. The term idiot savant would be much too harsh, but there's something to it.


He's like Aronofsky meets Zack Snyder: A peanut butter and onion sandwich, two great tastes that go great together.

 

This teaser looks like Prometheus on Earth. The summary of the Ted Chiang short story it's based on sounds potentially interesting, though.

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I get that. But man... I just want a movie to be good for once. Maybe I'm looking to be convinced.

 

That wasn't a knock. I didn't like The Arrival overall but there was definitely some arresting imagery like the impossible vegetation of the opening scene and the pullback. Also, I guess modification of the climate as a weapon was ahead of its time in popular culture.

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He's like Aronofsky meets Zack Snyder
Oh, that's way too harsh.

FWIW, I like Villeneuve more than either Aronofsky or Snyder.
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That wasn't a knock. I didn't like The Arrival overall but there was definitely some arresting imagery like the impossible vegetation of the opening scene and the pullback. Also, I guess modification of the climate as a weapon was ahead of its time in popular culture.

 

Wait what? Let's not get into Charlie Sheen here. 

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Writer Eric Heisserer (sp?) gives me a little hope.  His scripts to Hours, Final Destiantion 5 and The Thing prequel were solid.  Can't speak of his Elm Street remake, and Lights Out was well, decent.

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The short story this is based on is fantastic. A shame they changed the title - if it's anything like that, "Story of Your Life" is really the perfect title for this movie.

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Wait what? Let's not get into Charlie Sheen here. 

 

But he's so much fun!

 

(When you're at a safe distance. Like another country.)

 

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There's a really great and fascinating documentary about what would happen if an extraterrestrial vessel landed in England. Can't find the title (try googling "aliens" and "documentary" and see what kind of masterpieces come up), but this was made by a "real" awarded documentarian and included interviews with sociologists, UK government officials and the United Nations Office of Outer Space Affairs. The doc dealt with the anxiety, shock and confusion humanity would face. This trailer seemed tonally very similar to that untitled doc, any of you gentlemen possibly know what I'm talking about? Trying to find it and all these ANCIENT ALIENS ON YOUTUBE -hits are making me insane.


Edited by Virtanen - 8/10/16 at 12:20am
post #31 of 153
Found it: THE VISIT (2014)

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Hopefully he continues to get better and better. I refuse to watch the trailer for this. I generally don't watch trailers anymore anyway, but in this case he's a filmmaker who's films I'm comfortable going into blind for maximum impact.

 

You can watch this teaser.  There's nothing there to give away any story beats, it's really just there to give you a sense of place.  It's very good.  I'm going to try and avoid any more trailers for it, however.

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I didn't say he had no sense of story, I said his sense of style seems to take the forefront. To me at least.


You know, and this is something that has bothered me quite a bit on this site and others...

 

Why is that a bad thing? 

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Why is that a bad thing? 
Take ENEMY. Stylistically accomplished (unforgettable images, including that great final image), but largely hollow. Compare it against something in a similar vein that really works (Altman's 3 WOMEN, for instance), and you'll see what I mean.

When I complain about Villeneuve not being a great storyteller, that's what I'm talking about. His sense of theme, about how he develops and nuances that through his narrative conceits and stylistic impulses, is a bit all over-the-place. If films can be described as developing conversations between image and sound, then Villeneuve has yet to produce a really rich conversation.

He's got style, though.
post #35 of 153
Well that's true for you though. I've found a lot of richness in how he dove into Prisoners and even Sicario. Enemy though I found to be lacking, perhaps I just didn't get it. That ending is so out of left field that it doesn't really beg catharsis, it begs the question.
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He's like Aronofsky meets Zack Snyder: A peanut butter and onion sandwich, two great tastes that go great together.

 

what now

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Take ENEMY. Stylistically accomplished (unforgettable images, including that great final image), but largely hollow. Compare it against something in a similar vein

 

Richard Ayode also made a film adapted from the exact same story in 2013, "The Double" starring Jesse Eisenberg and Mia Wasikowska. It was pretty good, sort of trying for a low-key indie Gilliam vibe. I liked both that and Enemy, but they both have their faults. It would make for an interesting double feature.

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Richard Ayode also made a film adapted from the exact same story in 2013, "The Double" starring Jesse Eisenberg and Mia Wasikowska. It was pretty good, sort of trying for a low-key indie Gilliam vibe. I liked both that and Enemy, but they both have their faults. It would make for an interesting double feature.
Actually, they have different source material. ENEMY is an adaptation of a (brilliant) novel by Jose Saramago. THE DOUBLE is an adaptation of a short story by Dostoevsky.

They do mirror each other in interesting ways.
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Ah, interesting. Maybe I had that mixed up since the Saramago novel is also called "The Double".

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Aronofsky did it best with Black Swan.
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You know, and this is something that has bothered me quite a bit on this site and others...

Why is that a bad thing? 

The movies people remember most have great stories.

Stylistic exercises are fine but I don't find them memorable for the most part.

If you're going that route, you may as well eschew traditional narrative entirely and make it 30 minutes long, because it just comes off as half baked.

If you're going to ask an audience to pay to sit and watch something for 2 hours, it better be compelling. Nature of the beast.

And some people do find that stuff compelling, but I imagine its not very many. So no, I guess its not a bad thing, its just asking a lot.
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Aronofsky did it best with Black Swan.


Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe. Enemy, The Double, Black Swan... as far as I'm concerned, they're all in the same tier. Occasionally impressive, frequently hollow, running on simplistic ideas that are never developed enough to sustain a feature film. The advantage Black Swan has over the other two is that it actually builds to a real climax. Both Enemy and The Double just kind of meander to their destinations, and when they arrive there they it's more of a "huh" than a "whoa."

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The short story this is based on is fantastic. A shame they changed the title - if it's anything like that, "Story of Your Life" is really the perfect title for this movie.


I just wish they had kept that as the title so when it comes out I could say to wifey, "hey, let's go see this Amy Adams movie called Story of Your Life" and she would be like, "YES! I would like to see an Amy Adams movie with that kind of title!"

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Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe. Enemy, The Double, Black Swan... as far as I'm concerned, they're all in the same tier. Occasionally impressive, frequently hollow, running on simplistic ideas that are never developed enough to sustain a feature film. The advantage Black Swan has over the other two is that it actually builds to a real climax. Both Enemy and The Double just kind of meander to their destinations, and when they arrive there they it's more of a "huh" than a "whoa."

Black Swan is his best film, and considering his impressive filmography, that's saying a lot. There's a reason it made a $330M dollars and became his best reviewed film. It is miles better than either Enemy or The Double.
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By the way, I'm not equating box office with quality, but little niche indies don't make that kind of money unless they're exceptional.
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By the way, I'm not equating box office with quality, but little niche indies don't make that kind of money unless they're exceptional.

 

MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING, for instance.

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Black Swan is his best film, and considering his impressive filmography, that's saying a lot.
I don't think Aronofsky has an impressive filmography. He has an interesting filmography, but that's not quite the same thing. All of his films are ambitious but half-baked, to one degree or another. BLACK SWAN included.
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I don't think Aronofsky has an impressive filmography.

Well now you're just being silly. Opinions are fine, but he's not a heralded filmmaker because people are suffering from dementia.

Forgot to add Portman won an Oscar for Black Swan. Another reason.
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Well now you're just being silly. Opinions are fine, but he's not a heralded filmmaker because people are suffering from dementia.

Forgot to add Portman won an Oscar for Black Swan. Another reason.
So now we're arguing quality via Oscar wins?

Ambler, you're better than that.
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This is the first I've heard Requiem and The Wrestler and Black Swan (80% of his filmography) being "half baked".
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