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Maybe a tad early but it's Sunday morning and I'm bored of washing up. On the Meet the Movie Press podcast Jeff Schneider hinted that Jack Huston is being considered. I could see that. But there's also Fassbinder, Dan Stevens or my dark horse, Clive Standen (Rollo in VIKINGS).

Hell I would give Craig another shot. The last third of SPECTRE was a bit of a mess but I liked him in it.
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Throwing my hat in the ring for Stevens.

Have only seen him in The Guest, but the guy can convey charm and menace in the same scene with ease.
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I think it was Phil Nobile Jr. that said on the Padcast recently that within our lifetime one of these changing of the guard Bond films will run with the codename theory. Like even if Craig is the "real" Bond (of course he is), the next one will adopt the identity when he becomes 007.

 

I dread that day, but I bet it happens eventually. With the next film probably ignoring it all together.

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At this stage, I don't care who is Bond. Ideally, it would be Fassbender or Hiddleston, but if it's Stevens or Turner or even Craig again, that's fine, too. Just get a move on.

Just drop the excess and the endless callbacks to classic Bond and give us something contemporary, lean, and mean, like Warren Ellis is doing with the character in his excellent comic book run. (VARGR was great, and, so far, EIDOLON is even better. At this point, I'm more excited about the comics than I am the next film.)
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Maybe a tad early but it's Sunday morning and I'm bored of washing up. On the Meet the Movie Press podcast Jeff Schneider hinted that Jack Huston is being considered. I could see that. But there's also Fassbinder, Dan Stevens or my dark horse, Clive Standen (Rollo in VIKINGS).

Hell I would give Craig another shot. The last third of SPECTRE was a bit of a mess but I liked him in it.

 

I still say Chris Hemsworth.  Throw stones at me all you want, but I think he'd be amazing as Bond.

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I still say Chris Hemsworth.  Throw stones at me all you want, but I think he'd be amazing as Bond.
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At this stage, I don't care who is Bond. Ideally, it would be Fassbender or Hiddleston, but if it's Stevens or Turner or even Craig again, that's fine, too. Just get a move on.

Just drop the excess and the endless callbacks to classic Bond and give us something contemporary, lean, and mean, like Warren Ellis is doing with the character in his excellent comic book run. (VARGR was great, and, so far, EIDOLON is even better. At this point, I'm more excited about the comics than I am the next film.)

Fassbender or Hiddleston.  Absolutely.  

 

I'm done with Craig.  I can't believe what a shit he was during the press tour for Spectre.  If I were the Broccolis, I wouldn't want anything further to do with him.  

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Craig's dry sense of humor gets lost in print. His comments were miscalculated, but not malicious.
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At first, that's the take I wanted to believe.  But I don't recall any clarification nor any contrition from Craig.  Forgive me if I'm wrong.  

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At first, that's the take I wanted to believe.  But I don't recall any clarification nor any contrition from Craig.  Forgive me if I'm wrong.  
Craig walked his comments back in later interviews, noting that the comment was a dry remark that stemmed from his exhaustion during the shoot.

In fact, for the bulk of the press tour, he was congenial and enthusiastic. That remark just followed him because the media was able to build a compelling, albeit false, narrative out of it.
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Okay.  I just never saw the walkback.  

 

I shouldn't comment on Spectre since I essentially boycotted it after reading about the "it's all connected" Blofeld backstory.  But I'll admit that one reason I hope a new Bond is cast is the possibility that they'll move past Spectre and never return.  

 

But the Bond films are often a case of two steps forward, one step back, so I shouldn't get my hopes up.   

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At this stage, I don't care who is Bond. Ideally, it would be Fassbender or Hiddleston, but if it's Stevens or Turner or even Craig again, that's fine, too. Just get a move on.

Just drop the excess and the endless callbacks to classic Bond and give us something contemporary, lean, and mean, like Warren Ellis is doing with the character in his excellent comic book run. (VARGR was great, and, so far, EIDOLON is even better. At this point, I'm more excited about the comics than I am the next film.)


Ooooh. I should check those out then.

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Never considered Hemsworth, but he was a pretty good charming rogue in RUSH, so why not.
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Hopefully Pierce will come back.
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Hopefully Pierce will come back.
He's a bit busy with prestige films like this one:
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He'll be back! You'll see!
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I'd actually enjoy a low-budget, one-off Brosnan outing about an old Bond.

Get McTiernan, who did so well with Brozzy on THOMAS CROWN, to direct.
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"Never Say Never Again, Again!"
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I'd watch another Brosnan Bond film. A bond who is more comfortable with his immortality at every second.

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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post

Just drop the excess and the endless callbacks to classic Bond and give us something contemporary, lean, and mean, like Warren Ellis is doing with the character in his excellent comic book run. (VARGR was great, and, so far, EIDOLON is even better. At this point, I'm more excited about the comics than I am the next film.)

I'm actually hoping for something a bit lighter than we've gotten from Craig's time.  As a whole, I love his run, but they've all got a bit of a downbeat air to them (some less than others).  I don't want a return to the ill-conceived goofiness of DIE ANOTHER DAY, certainly, but I'm definitely game for another attempt at a purely "fun" adventure.

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The Ellis run strikes an unusual balance in that regard. It eschews the navel-gazing drama of the Brosnan/Craig era, but has a hard edge. The Ellis Bond stories are very violent, but also kinda fantastical and pulpy and, yes, fun.

Ellis really plays up Bond's vanity and ruthless efficiency. His Bond is a bit like a grittier version of the sadistic, arrogant Bond we got in Moore's first two adventures.
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The Ellis run strikes an unusual balance in that regard. It eschews the navel-gazing drama of the Brosnan/Craig era, but has a hard edge. The Ellis Bond stories are very violent, but also kinda fantastical and pulpy and, yes, fun.

Ellis really plays up Bond's vanity and ruthless efficiency. His Bond is a bit like a grittier version of the sadistic, arrogant Bond we got in Moore's first two adventures.


That sounds okay to me!  I should probably check out those comics.

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Hiddleston and Fassbender are such boring choices following Craig. We already know how they'd do and they'd do... Ok. But if you want a knockout like Craig or Connery, we need an out there selection nobody is even thinking about.
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First choice would be one last go with Craig. Hiddleston would be my first choice if they go with a new actor.

I've always thought Tom Hardy would be a solid choice as Bond. Although I dunno if he'd be that great if they followed the pattern of a softer take on the character after a harder one.
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Tom Hardy's great, but he's too much of a musclehead to follow Craig's musclehead. I think they need to go in the opposite direction and make this next Bond as distinctive as Craig's initial casting was - get someone who has a distinctive silhouette - someone tall and wiry this time.
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Tom Hardy's great, but he's too much of a musclehead to follow Craig's musclehead. I think they need to go in the opposite direction and make this next Bond as distinctive as Craig's initial casting was - get someone who has a distinctive silhouette - someone tall and wiry this time.
Yep.

Someone who also feels more immediately sophisticated. We need another "gentleman" Bond.
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Hiddleston and Fassbender are such boring choices following Craig. We already know how they'd do and they'd do... Ok. But if you want a knockout like Craig or Connery, we need an out there selection nobody is even thinking about.

 

Ewan McGregor would crush it.

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Tom Hardy's great, but he's too much of a musclehead to follow Craig's musclehead. I think they need to go in the opposite direction and make this next Bond as distinctive as Craig's initial casting was - get someone who has a distinctive silhouette - someone tall and wiry this time.

Tilda Swinton!
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Yep.

Someone who also feels more immediately sophisticated. We need another "gentleman" Bond.
Baloney.

We went from Moore to Dalton to Brosnan. When Dalton is the rough and tumble one in your lineup, you've severely strayed from the path. Hardy or someone similar would work just great.
post #33 of 1268

John Snow as the new Bond.

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I'm just ready for Bond movies to be good again.

 

Skyfall is the best Bond film for people who have only seen the Daniel Craig films and maybe a couple of the Brosnan films.

 

I had a friend whose assessment consisted of nothing but "Come on, man, it was an emotional Bond film!"

 

Right. Because On Her Majesty's Secret Service never happened (and for him, it hasn't).

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Baloney.

We went from Moore to Dalton to Brosnan. When Dalton is the rough and tumble one in your lineup, you've severely strayed from the path. Hardy or someone similar would work just great.

I'm more with Agentsands77 on this one.  I feel like Hardy's Bond would probably be cut from much of the same cloth as Craig's Bond.  INCEPTION tells me he can pull off charming in fits and starts, and in theory I'd have no problem with seeing him become 007... but I'd like someone with just slightly more of a light touch first.

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Baloney.

We went from Moore to Dalton to Brosnan. When Dalton is the rough and tumble one in your lineup, you've severely strayed from the path. Hardy or someone similar would work just great.

Bond is supposed to more in the vein of Connery/Dalton/Craig. So sign me up for someone close to them than Moore or Brosnan.

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I'm just ready for Bond movies to be good again.

Skyfall is the best Bond film for people who have only seen the Daniel Craig films and maybe a couple of the Brosnan films.

I had a friend whose assessment consisted of nothing but "Come on, man, it was an emotional Bond film!"

Right. Because On Her Majesty's Secret Service never happened (and for him, it hasn't).
I don't think anyone would argue Skyfall is the best ever. And certainly not better than FRWL, OHMSS or Goldfinger. But a top 5 entry and the best of Craig's run...absolutely (IMO).

All of Craig's run has been fine. You have 2 greats in Casino Royale and Skyfall. One mediocre entry in Spectre and one that's kinda bad with Quantum. But even kinda bad Craig is better than A View to a Kill, Die Another Day, The World is Not Enough and Moonraker, etc...
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Bond is supposed to more in the vein of Connery/Dalton/Craig. So sign me up for someone close to them than Moore or Brosnan.
I don't think anyone would argue Skyfall is the best ever. And certainly not better than FRWL, OHMSS or Goldfinger. But a top 5 entry and the best of Craig's run...absolutely (IMO).

All of Craig's run has been fine. You have 2 greats in Casino Royale and Skyfall. One mediocre entry in Spectre and one that's kinda bad with Quantum. But even kinda bad Craig is better than A View to a Kill, Die Another Day, The World is Not Enough and Moonraker, etc...

 

Quantum of Solace is far and away the worst Bond film. 

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People slag on Moonraker, but despite its sins, Moonraker still understands that the worst thing it can be is not enjoyable. Quantum of Solance thinks its a good idea to include a sweaty serial rapist in one of the subplots of what is supposed to be an escapist action film.

I would therefore position QOS as the worst Bond film because it betrays what Bond films are in a way that doesn't even have the mitigating side effect of being amusing.
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I'd watch another Brosnan Bond film. A bond who is more comfortable with his immortality at every second.

Ya given the names making the rounds, I think the worst thing they could do right now is go all in on a new Bond. I just don't think the right actor has surfaced yet to take the role, I don't think they've remotely thought ahead enough to do it justice even if they found the right actor and it's way too soon. I think throwing Brosnan back in the ring for a one off would be a smart move. The only actor I am aware of that, that would be both new to the role and I could even see doing the role justice is Idris Elba and there's almost no chance at all of that happening.

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I'm just ready for Bond movies to be good again.

Skyfall is the best Bond film for people who have only seen the Daniel Craig films and maybe a couple of the Brosnan films.

I had a friend whose assessment consisted of nothing but "Come on, man, it was an emotional Bond film!"

Right. Because On Her Majesty's Secret Service never happened (and for him, it hasn't).

Skyfall's advantage is that it actually has a trained actor playing Bond.

I'm always tempted to call OHMSS the best of the whole series, but Lazenby really brings it down. I keep imagining a Connery in his prime or even Roger Moore would have made a world's difference in elevating that film. It can only go so far without a proper leading man.
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Just give me a fun Bond again. Craig was great 10 or so years ago but his pained and pouty schtick is just dour these days - he doesn't look like he could have fun if he tried. And he looks like he's trying too. I don't really want to spend anymore time watching his glossy but miserable escapades anymore.

 

I know Bond is meant to be a tortured, almost dead inside blunt thug in a suit etc etc blah blah and each new actor who comes on board says they're trying to bring Bond back closer to the source material. Fuck that. Bring Bond back to being fun. Go all out Moore. Just make them fun romps again. Stop the leads trying to be thespians and get people in who understand how to have fun.

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I like Quantum of Solace! A lot!

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Are you that blind kid?
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...maybe?

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People slag on Moonraker, but despite its sins, Moonraker still understands that the worst thing it can be is not enjoyable. Quantum of Solance thinks its a good idea to include a sweaty serial rapist in one of the subplots of what is supposed to be an escapist action film.

I would therefore position QOS as the worst Bond film because it betrays what Bond films are in a way that doesn't even have the mitigating side effect of being amusing.

An astute observation.

 

I'd add that there's not particularly anything wrong with Quantum of Solace wanting to be something other than just escapist entertainment. But if you're going to take a Bond film and transform it into something other than a Bond film, it has to be successful at being something other than a Bond film. And Quantum of Solace fails at practically everything it sets out to do. Digested in bits and pieces, it doesn't seem so bad. Taken as a whole, it's a staggeringly miscalculated, unpleasant thing.

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Just give me a fun Bond again. Craig was great 10 or so years ago but his pained and pouty schtick is just dour these days - he doesn't look like he could have fun if he tried. And he looks like he's trying too. I don't really want to spend anymore time watching his glossy but miserable escapades anymore.

 

I know Bond is meant to be a tortured, almost dead inside blunt thug in a suit etc etc blah blah and each new actor who comes on board says they're trying to bring Bond back closer to the source material. Fuck that. Bring Bond back to being fun. Go all out Moore. Just make them fun romps again. Stop the leads trying to be thespians and get people in who understand how to have fun.

Hilariously enough, Craig has said that he originally wanted Spectre to go the full Roger Moore, with goofy humor and zany antics. But Sam Mendes came back on board and he wanted it rooted in drama, and Craig went along with it because he trusted Mendes and his vision.

post #47 of 1268
I'd say QoS is Craig's most Moore-esque movie. It's just random action set-pieces strung together with the most bare minimum of plot.

As much as it tries to be something different and attempted to be more hi-brow and arty it actually managed to end up more like Moonraker, but without the self-awareness that made the latter such fun.
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I'd say QoS is Craig's most Moore-esque movie. It's just random action set-pieces strung together with the most bare minimum of plot.

As much as it tries to be something different and attempted to be more hi-brow and arty it actually managed to end up more like Moonraker, but without the self-awareness that made the latter such fun.

I think QOS is actually closer to LALD where it's mostly just action sequences with very little story done at a brisk pace. MR is much more grand with its spectacle.
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Never considered Hemsworth, but he was a pretty good charming rogue in RUSH, so why not.

 

And RUSH is the exact reason why I think he'd be a great Bond.  His interpretation of James Hunt is Bond all the way, full of charm and self confidence along with a driven competitive edge and a capacity for violence.

 

Fuck I love that movie.

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It's great. Looked fantastic on my projector.
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