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post #51 of 195

Logistical question. Chidi is Senegalese and his primary language is French. The episode mentions the Sorbonne, but the flashback appears to take place at an American (or possibly Australian) institution. What language was he actually speaking there?

post #52 of 195
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Well, they went there last night.  Totally didn't expect them to play that card so soon.

And Janet was the MVP.  Her alternating her calm reassurances that she was just a construct and could feel no pain and her pleas for her laugh was fantastic, as was the way she acted when she rebooted.

Agreed. Janet rocked this episode. And between pulling the trigger on Elanore's identify and revealing that the "good" Elanore has been in TBP this whole time, this show has addressed two of my biggest concerns by 8 episodes in. Now I truly have no idea where they're planning to go from here.
post #53 of 195
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Logistical question. Chidi is Senegalese and his primary language is French. The episode mentions the Sorbonne, but the flashback appears to take place at an American (or possibly Australian) institution. What language was he actually speaking there?


I noticed the same thing. I think they tossed out the French thing pretty quickly, because his flashback seemed to confirm pretty clearly that he was not French. I mean, why did he need to speak English in his own flashback? I think that's also why this show will never be a classic. I'd like to be proven wrong, but in better hands, they would have referenced that and reinforced his past.

post #54 of 195

I'm assuming that everyone in that flashback is speaking TV-translated French. But that guy with the Australian accent does confuse things.

 

Meanwhile, I love how fast this show moves. Anyone think we'll actually visit the Bad Place by season's end?

post #55 of 195

This is a show acting like it's only got one season and is going for broke.  First Eleanor outs herself, and now Jianyu is found out.  I really hope they have some kind of long-term plan and, more significantly, that this isn't all set-up for the show to basically become Eleanor and Jianyu Learn to Be Better People.

post #56 of 195
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This is a show acting like it's only got one season and is going for broke.  First Eleanor outs herself, and now Jianyu is found out.  I really hope they have some kind of long-term plan and, more significantly, that this isn't all set-up for the show to basically become Eleanor and Jianyu Learn to Be Better People.

I'm loving that I have no goddamn clue where they're going with this. Having a ton of fun with this show.
post #57 of 195
Oh, and a winter hiatus for a show with only 13 forking episodes is bullshirt.
post #58 of 195
Haha yup. Acknowledged because I am out of rep.
post #59 of 195

I want more of Bad Janet.

post #60 of 195
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Oh, and a winter hiatus for a show with only 13 forking episodes is bullshirt.

 

The winter hiatus is an outdated concept in general.

post #61 of 195

That twist was handled beautifully.  Bravo.

post #62 of 195
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Yeah, I don't think a sitcom really needs that kind of twist, but it was handled very well.  I hope they find a way to keep Adam Scott coming back.  He gives great douchebag.

post #63 of 195
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I loved this. I think the arc of the show is going to change pretty quickly from "Elizabeth learns to be a good person and earn her place in The Good Place" into "actually, most of the people here don't really deserve it and the system is arbitrary and inherently flawed as it allows for the possibility of an incredibly bad person doing one incredibly good act and ending up in The Good Place."

Damn. Sometimes I forget that I'm from the future.

post #64 of 195

Seriously.  My jaw actually dropped.  Next season will be very interesting.  

post #65 of 195

That grin when Michael drops the facade. I don't know how Danson even did that, he actually made his smile pointed.

post #66 of 195

I admit, I'm gonna miss "good", befuddled Michael. Even though we'll get more of that facade, we'll know it's a facade now. It won't be the same.

 

Danson's a goddamn treasure, though.

post #67 of 195

The twist was definitely unexpected. My frustration, like Dent touches on, is that the audience will be in on the secret. It will change the entire dynamic for the second season (if there is one). The writing is going to have to get much sharper in that case or I am afraid it will lose my attention pretty quickly.

 

Edited for clarity: That said, I think her leap to figuring it out was a bit of a stretch. Plus, did she assume that Chidi would not be matched up with her in a reboot, or did I miss that exposition?


Edited by wd40 - 1/20/17 at 7:45am
post #68 of 195
Thread Starter 

They certainly won't be able to stretch out more than a couple episodes of the characters trying to figure out what we already know.  Also, we apparently have a Cougar Town title situation on our hands.

post #69 of 195
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Also, Marc Evan Jackson had a better turn as a wackadoo judge on Man Seeking Woman, but that doesn't make "I have ruled the fart inadmissible." any less great.

post #70 of 195

"Even getting them to do simple things, like pulling out each other's teeth is like...  I can't think of the right analogy."

 

Danson nailed that turn.  Also, Todd.

post #71 of 195

So, is the Medium Place for real, or just part of the charade? The only thing I know for (pretty much) sure is that Janet really is a Good Janet.

 

Definitely going to re-watch for clues. I think we all had it figured out about Chidi and Tahani being only technically 'good' people, but it was neat to see that confronted directly. I'll miss Good Eleanor.

post #72 of 195

Tahani definitely seemed superficial, but Chidi I thought was genuine.  Maybe a little misguided, but the depths of his indecision really only became clear in the last few episodes.

post #73 of 195

Tahani and Chidi mirror each other. She's all charitable action motivated by self-interest, and his saintly compulsion to do no wrong makes him incapable of actually helping anyone.


Edited by Hammerhead - 1/20/17 at 8:56pm
post #74 of 195

I'm not quite sure how I feel about the ending. But I love that the show is willing to try this. And I love its absurdism. It feels Douglas Adams'y to me at times.

 

This was a brilliant episode. It was a suitable end to the series if that's the way it turns out, a suitable setup for next season if it's renewed, and at least a partial answer to the question, "How can this premise support a show for more than one season without immense padding?"

 

Looking back on the season in hindsight, all the clues were pretty much there, including Danson's true nature. (He did kick a puppy into the sun...)

post #75 of 195

Hah! I forgot about kicking the puppy. haha!

post #76 of 195
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So, is the Medium Place for real, or just part of the charade? The only thing I know for (pretty much) sure is that Janet really is a Good Janet.

 

 

I'm pretty sure the Medium Place is real. They had no way of knowing she'd make it back to the "Good" Place. She could have just stayed there, and that would throw a bit of wrench into Michael's plans. Plus, if it was a charade, why wouldn't Michael appear in the Medium Places orientation video?

post #77 of 195
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The Medium Place was part of the ruse, I think.  An unsatisfying alternative to dangle in front of Eleanor while she torments herself about leaving Chidi and Tahani behind.

post #78 of 195

Possibly. But would that mean Janet wasn't acting on her own free will? And, again, if the Medium Place orientation video was part of the ruse, wouldn't Michael be the one representing the Good Place, and not that woman?

post #79 of 195
I love this show. It's so odd.
post #80 of 195
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Possibly. But would that mean Janet wasn't acting on her own free will? And, again, if the Medium Place orientation video was part of the ruse, wouldn't Michael be the one representing the Good Place, and not that woman?


Yeah, the Medium Place was a real place. It was Janet's idea to go there, and Michael said that everything Janet was doing was 'real,' and neither Michael nor Shawn knew that that was where they went.

post #81 of 195
Fantastic. Might now be my favorite show this season. The twist definitely hangs together well.
post #82 of 195
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The Medium Place was part of the ruse, I think.  An unsatisfying alternative to dangle in front of Eleanor while she torments herself about leaving Chidi and Tahani behind.

 

The Medium Place was a tantalising tease, but it was a real one. Michael states later that the stuff with Jason and Janet really was an accident, and Janet was the one who suggested the Medium place. We also seem to get a look at the real architect of The Good Place in the orientation video (Though granted that can easily be handwaved away). If that whole thing was set up by Michael, they would've just stated it there and then seeing as they spelled out almost everything else. 

post #83 of 195

My prediction for Season 2: Since Eleanor has been coupled with a super-hot mailman, she's not going to come clean to anyone about not belonging, and only Tahani and Jason will end up in any sort of misery, forcing Michael to reset and re-calibrate again. I could see them montaging four or five resets in the premiere before whatever the new status quo is going to be is reached.

post #84 of 195

I'm guessing Michael makes some deal with Eleanor, Chidi, etc.  to keep his failure a secret since "retirement" is apparently a real thing.   That could set up a dynamic where the fake good place really becomes the Good Place.

post #85 of 195

And I just realized that Tahani and Jason will also be separated, so nobody will be miserable.

 

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 I'm guessing Michael makes some deal with Eleanor, Chidi, etc.  to keep his failure a secret since "retirement" is apparently a real thing.   That could set up a dynamic where the fake good place really becomes the Good Place.

I could see a future reveal that the whole thing is actually Michael's Bad Place, and he's being punished for some other infraction.

post #86 of 195
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And I just realized that Tahani and Jason will also be separated, so nobody will be miserable.

I could see a future reveal that the whole thing is actually Michael's Bad Place, and he's being punished for some other infraction.
That'd be swell.
post #87 of 195

I want to see more of Todd, the Fire Demon next season.

 

"Eh sorry, i thought we reserved the conference room?"

post #88 of 195
Just rewatched season. Plays totally different knowing the twist. Also, the hot mailman was foreshadowed when Eleanor hangs up a poster of him in her living room.
post #89 of 195
Also, wouldn't doubt it if the season begins with Michael being busted again.
post #90 of 195

Curious-- does it still play as if Eleanor's bad vibes are creating the sinkhole, making plants die, etc?

post #91 of 195

It's pretty obvious exactly why NBC made it clear no extra episodes would be ordered for the rest of the year. This storyline had to be tight and planned out from the beginning to make sure the entire thing hung together. Kudos to everyone involved for keeping the reveal a secret, not to mention having it be completely believable.

 

Now, this also speaks to the strength of limited series or short-season runs. With 13 episodes, The Good Place could afford to be quirky, out-of-the-norm and fresh. If it didn't connect with the audience, NBC could double-pump episodes and be done in six(-ish) weeks. But it did connect, which is the fascinating thing.

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post #93 of 195

Fork yeah!

post #94 of 195

Love the picture on that announcement.

post #95 of 195

Entertainment Weekly just posted our first look at the upcoming Season 2.

 

LAP UP THIS CLAM CHOWDER-FOUNTAIN:

 

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post #96 of 195

I binged this in a single day on Netflix. It was like a comedic version of THE PRISONER.

post #97 of 195

I finally caught up with this one on Netflix.  As someone who gives ethics seminars on the PG level, I was delighted to see that the showrunners had really done their homework.

 

All that, plus laugh-out-loud humor, plus an epic twist.  Bring on Season 2!

post #98 of 195
post #99 of 195
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That grin when Michael drops the facade. I don't know how Danson even did that, he actually made his smile pointed.

 

Just caught up with the show on Netflix and that moment was incredible. You forget how good of an actor the guy really is. Really excited to see what they do with the 2nd season.

post #100 of 195

Fantastic premier.   I was sort of right in my prediction that they would figure it out quicker this time around.   I'm guessing next week will be the 4 figuring things out over and over again.

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