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post #1 of 730
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Skyrim on the go? Shut up and take my gold coins!

 

 

It looks like they have much better third party support this time.

 

https://www.nintendo.com/images/page/switch/partners.png

 

Can Nintendo get its groove back?


Edited by Barry Woodward - 10/20/16 at 8:38am
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What the fuck is the processing power on that tablet?!

post #3 of 730
I had been planning on buying the Skyrim remaster next week...buuut now I'm going to finish up with The Witcher 3, and some other games in my backlog
post #4 of 730

If I can't get my port of Overwatch to play at work then I may not be an early adopter.

post #5 of 730

The couple seconds of Mario really does look amazing.

 

As somebody who is grinding through the Mario 3D World stars, no games have lasting power like Super Mario.

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What the fuck is the processing power on that tablet?!

 

The specs haven't been officially announced yet. The Switch will be using a custom version of Nvidia's Tegra X2 processor.

 

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/

 

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If I can't get my port of Overwatch to play at work then I may not be an early adopter.

 

They do have Activision on board, so it's possible.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 10/20/16 at 9:40am
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They do have Activision on board, so it's possible.


              Blizzard

post #8 of 730

As I mentioned in the other thread, I am excited about a Nintendo system again. I haven't been since the 'Cube. I rarely played my Wii  -- I probably have a good ten games That I've yet to play.

 

So far, I want this for Mario and Zelda. I've been itching for a follow-up to the phenomenal Mario Galaxy games for some time now.

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Blizzard

 

Aren't they one and the same now?

post #10 of 730

Hmmmm. So, it turns out...it was exactly what everyone said it was going to be. Durr.

 

The 5 seconds of the new Mario they showed looked cool. There was an over-the-shoulder perspective shot, which means it might be blending back in some of the old exploration style with the 3D World-esque environment. I'm in for that one alone.

 

Zelda looked...the same. I'm going to need the specs on the system or an analysis before figuring out to get the Wii U version or this one.

 

If the dock bumps the resolution to 1080p, then I will be truly excited. It seems like we won't be getting tech info until a more in depth presentation, though.

 

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Originally Posted by D.T. View Post
 

What the fuck is the processing power on that tablet?!

 

Still unknown from what I can see. Roughly 2.3 Wii U's duct taped together.

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If the dock bumps the resolution to 1080p, then I will be truly excited. It seems like we won't be getting tech info until a more in depth presentation, though.

 

I had read, from a reliable source, that the dock will not boost the device performance in any way. It's only for 1080p output. I still find that suspect because it looks huge if it's only serving that purpose. *shrug*

post #12 of 730
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Gaming might be locked at 1080p, but I've heard the device will be capable of streaming 4k video.

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As I mentioned in the other thread, I am excited about a Nintendo system again. I haven't been since the 'Cube. I rarely played my Wii  -- I probably have a good ten games That I've yet to play.

 

So far, I want this for Mario and Zelda. I've been itching for a follow-up to the phenomenal Mario Galaxy games for some time now.

 

Absolutely this.  The 3D Land and World games were such a bummer for me after Galaxy.

 

FROM Software is on the list guys...  What if... Guys... What if... Nintendo licensed Metroid to them?

post #14 of 730

3D World is phenomenal.

post #15 of 730

Ok, I am sooooo not a Nintendo guy. But that looks fucking cool. 

post #16 of 730
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3D World is phenomenal.


I like both Mario 3DS games a lot, but they don't scratch that itch like Galaxy 1 & 2 do.

post #17 of 730
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I like both Mario 3DS games a lot, but they don't scratch that itch like Galaxy 1 & 2 do.

 

3D World is the one on the Wii U. Its on a whole other level from the 3DS entries.

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Oh oops, I meant 3D Land!

post #19 of 730
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3D World is the one on the Wii U. Its on a whole other level from the 3DS entries.

 

Not really.  Big graphics bump?  Sure.  But that's kind of it, same sins are present.  2.5D sucks for platforming.  The worlds aren't even themed, so when you've hit the 3rd one, you've seen everything the game has to offer, no reason to push on, or even explore.  I found it bafflingly devoid of challenge, content, or soul.

 

Of course the challenge ramps up like crazy in the last world, and the challenge worlds, but those even felt more intentionally frustrating to me.

 

If they float your boat, great!  But for me, it's either 2D or full 3D.

 

But I also felt like Mario Kart Wii U was strange and souless, despite being beautiful to look at.  I'm not the best arbiter of the 3DS/WiiU generation.

 

Splatoon though!  Fantastic!  Justified the whole console.

post #20 of 730

Just realized the launch trailer shows the current splatoon and mario kart.  But they're disks.  I'm going to have to buy them again, won't I?

post #21 of 730
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It makes a lot of sense for Nintendo to make suped-up Switch versions of their multiplayer killer apps: Mario Kart 8, Splatoon and Super Smash Bros. 4. They can't afford another soft launch. Perhaps there will be a loyalty program for owners of the Wii U versions to download digital copies on the Switch. They could use the unique pin numbers included with their published games to verify ownership.


Edited by Barry Woodward - 10/20/16 at 4:53pm
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Considering Nintendo has no issue repackaging/remastering their back catalog for handhelds, I highly doubt they will offer a program like that.

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Considering Nintendo has no issue repackaging/remastering their back catalog for handhelds, I highly doubt they will offer a program like that.

 

Haha, yeah, no way we're not opening our wallets again.  Nintendo knows we're suckers.

 

Good read at usGamer, that points out that if the introduction video is to be believed, we're not just seeing Wii U ports of existing games (Inklings are new models, Mario Kart 8 with Double-Dash style item boxes, NBA 2K17):

 

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/worried-that-games-on-the-nintendo-switch-look-like-wii-u-games-dont-be

post #24 of 730

One concrete bit of info on the hardware:

 

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/10/20/nintendo-switch/

 

"Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards."

 

Not too specific, but at least it's something.

post #25 of 730

Cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

post #26 of 730
I'm interested in finding out if the tablet's screen is touch sensitive, there is nothing in the video that seems to indicate it is, but it seems like they'd be stupid to leave out such an ubiquitous feature in today's mobile touchscreen world. Even if it only is used for navigation through the console's menus.

Also, am I crazy, or does this seem to be the first major console that is ditching hardcopy game software and making the switch to 100% downloadable only games? I didn't see any game disks, cartridges, or SD cards in the video.
post #27 of 730

Nah, they've stated that games come on 'Game Cards' which you can see in that video. Looks like an SD card. 

 

They're sooooo small though. I'd be fucking paranoid of losing them if I ever got one of these. 

post #28 of 730

I'm going to buy one of these if only for the sheer "NEATO!" factor of it all.  

post #29 of 730

Eh, I'm willing to eat some crow but so far this thing seems to be powered 100% by "NINTENDO HYPE (TM)." Console experiences on a handheld? What the hell was Sony think-Oh wait, it's got Mario? BRILLIANT!" It seems to have the same awkward ergonomics as the WiiU controller, there doesn't seem to be much indication (yet!) of any sort of functionality as an actual tablet, and it will presumably have roughly the horsepower of the SHIELD tablets, i.e. well behind current console output (let alone the beefed up new hardware specs pushing towards 4K). As a home console this thing is already going to be incredibly dated when it drops, so can it stand alone as a portable device? Is this going to be something your average Joe gamer (or Joe gamer's kid) is going to dump into their backpack for a long trip or a plane ride once the novelty has worn off? Is it even that novel when I can plug my tablet into my TV with an HDMI cable, or just stream to it over Wi-Fi?

post #30 of 730
It looks like a clever bit of kit.

I guess my problem is with the actual console aspect of it. Consoles seem increasingly interchangeable these days and it doesn't look like this is offering anything new gameplay wise.

PC gaming is convenient enough at this point that other than exclusives I just don't see much advantage in having my games collection locked to a machine that'll be outdated a few years down the line.
post #31 of 730

Confirmed this morning that it will support the Unreal 4 engine.

 

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it doesn't look like this is offering anything new gameplay wise.

Being able to play multiplayer on the fly and anywhere is pretty fantastic. Right now we have, what -- smartphone gaming for some version of "multiplayer"? Plus, significantly closing the gap between consoles and handhelds is pretty damn badass.

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Confirmed this morning that it will support the Unreal 4 engine.

 

Being able to play multiplayer on the fly and anywhere is pretty fantastic. Right now we have, what -- smartphone gaming for some version of "multiplayer"? Plus, significantly closing the gap between consoles and handhelds is pretty damn badass.

 

Again though, I think the question becomes is that something people actually want, or is it something they'll do a few times and then forget about? When/where are you going to huddle around the screen with a buddy and two tiny controllers? The backseat of a car? A plane ride? If you're taking it to someone's house you'll need the dock, so you might as well bring a real console. Kids might get some use out of it, but unless it's priced like a handheld (i.e. sub $200) is anyone going to let their youngin' run around with one? I'm not saying the idea of anywhere multiplayer is a bad thing, but if you're killing time on the bus isn't it far more likely you'd play a game of Words with Friends or Hearthstone on the phones/tablets you already own rather than hauling this thing out? 

 

To be clear, I'm not trying to hate on Nintendo here because I actually really liked the Wii, probably more than most people. I liked that the Wiimote and Kinect represented weird new avenues for gaming, and when used properly (which was admittedly rarely) it was a great addition to traditional gaming experiences. This just looks like a hodge-podge of existing tech that doesn't really do anything other devices aren't doing better. 

 

EDIT: I'm also kind of bummed because this was actually the one console I might have actually picked up. There just isn't a particular game or games that I care about so much I'd buy a whole system for them when I've got a gaming PC that can run the majority of games way better, so an innovative game experience was really my only "in." At this point with my laptop on its way out I'm more likely to just sync up two bluetooth controllers to a Surface Pro or something for the handful of times when I'd need that kind of functionality.

post #33 of 730

I dunno about the attractive young hipsters in the video, but this thing is designed for families. This is how we already use the Wii U - albeit in extremely limited fashion. Being able to grab it and go anywhere, with a gaggle of kids in tow, yeah that's the design logic. As is the necessary endpoint where one of the kids loses one of the goddamn controller pieces and I lose my fucking mind.

post #34 of 730
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Plus, significantly closing the gap between consoles and handhelds is pretty damn badass.

 

Only if the closing of the gap brings the handheld to par with a console.  Who wants a console that is weaker but just more powerful than my phone?

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Fair points. I just know my brothers and I love playing strategy board games, and the possible uses for this aren't dissimilar. If we all had one of these and didn't have our docking stations, we'd throw them on the table and play a round of whatever we wanted without issue. At least I absolutely see myself and my brothers using the hell out of it for things like Mario Kart or Madden or what have you.

 

My point above isn't whether or not it should be appealing to everyone, but really whether it was something new. I think that it is quite new, and it's very innovative, and brilliant. I don't think it's going to bring in swaths of families like the Wii did. I mean, for fuck's sake, my grandmother bought a Wii and she refuses to own a microwave or cellphone. However, I think it is forward-thinking and will bring a large chunk of gamers together in a way gaming hasn't before. I bet the Switch will be quite popular at events like conventions.  I imagine tons of people at comic con huddled in corners playing together.

post #36 of 730
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Fair points. I just know my brothers and I love playing strategy board games, and the possible uses for this aren't dissimilar. If we all had one of these and didn't have our docking stations, we'd throw them on the table and play a round of whatever we wanted without issue. At least I absolutely see myself and my brothers using the hell out of it for things like Mario Kart or Madden or what have you.

 

My point above isn't whether or not it should be appealing to everyone, but really whether it was something new. I think that it is quite new, and it's very innovative, and brilliant. I don't think it's going to bring in swaths of families like the Wii did. I mean, for fuck's sake, my grandmother bought a Wii and she refuses to own a microwave or cellphone. However, I think it is forward-thinking and will bring a large chunk of gamers together in a way gaming hasn't before. I bet the Switch will be quite popular at events like conventions.  I imagine tons of people at comic con huddled in corners playing together.

 

That's what's confusing me though, what do you consider to be the new part? If you're all sitting around playing on your own Switches, how is this not just a PS Vita with a TV hookup?

 

EDIT: Also, again I'm not saying "a console in your hand" isn't a thing people might want, just that historically it hasn't been a thing that a lot of people have wanted, and in fact has been cited as one of the major reasons the 3DS ate the Vita's lunch. So again, unless this is priced like a handheld I'm not sure how much more mass appeal it's going to have, and even then is it going to pull people away from their 3DS' and/or phones?

post #37 of 730

Considering what a surprise hit it was at the time, it's kind of odd how Nintendo seem to have completely abandoned the motion control thing and gone back to the more traditional controller arrangement. They managed to tap into this huge audience the other machines weren't reaching, but seem to have abandoned that and are now back to competing directly for the usual gamer market.

post #38 of 730

Access to, what appears to be, console quality games wherever I go, while also being able to play them networked. I don't have to lug over a computer, nor do we have to be huddled on the couch in front of the TV. I do admit that this putting a lot of faith in the fact that the experience between the "handheld" version is nearly the same as the "console" version.

 

Perhaps I am too naive. After several failed attempts to narrow the gap between console and handheld gaming, this finally looks like the solution that will work. It looks like it focuses on gaming only and I personally see myself using the hell out of this.

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Speaking of networking... obviously there will be some wifi enabling but now do you need a dedicated hotspot for your gaming from your friendly cellular company?  And battery power?  Power pack sales will go through the roof for this, yeah?

post #40 of 730

Does it also have a bottle opener and a knife(switch-blade)? 

 

So glad I can finally play NBA 2K17 in-between pickup games with my bros at the park.

post #41 of 730

As for speculating on hypothetical mainstream appeal, I think the portable multiplayer is a big feature. The 3DS could already do this if each user had their own system, but portable split screen with multiple detachable controllers is something people haven't seen before.

 

From the gamer perspective, it's all about the software. The is now the 1 Nintendo system, no more splitting of the library between portable and console. This will have the mainline Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and Fire Emblem games. The focus of all the Nintendo teams and 3rd party developers onto one single system is a big deal.

 

But no, it most likely will not be able to compete with Xbox One and PS4 in terms of power on big multiplatform releases. This is obviously not the system to get if you want the new Battlefield. It's all about the exclusive software.

post #42 of 730
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As for speculating on hypothetical mainstream appeal, I think the portable multiplayer is a big feature. The 3DS could already do this if each user had their own system, but portable split screen with multiple detachable controllers is something people haven't seen before.

 

From the gamer perspective, it's all about the software. The is now the 1 Nintendo system, no more splitting of the library between portable and console. This will have the mainline Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and Fire Emblem games. The focus of all the Nintendo teams and 3rd party developers onto one single system is a big deal.

 

But no, it most likely will not be able to compete with Xbox One and PS4 in terms of power on big multiplatform releases. This is obviously not the system to get if you want the new Battlefield. It's all about the exclusive software.

 

Ars Technica is estimating the screen size at roughly 6.5'', so assuming that's ballpark accurate you're going to need to get out the old magnifying glass if you're planning on doing split-screen. Multiplayer gaming with multiple controllers on a single screen? I guess as Zhukov said, for families? Or maybe for kids if their friends don't have one? I think the price is going to be HUGE in determining that.

 

As for not splitting the development, I think that's a double edged sword. I think it could make for some great titles, but A. Unless the Switch has got a touchscreen it would seem like a lot of those popular handheld titles will need some reworking and B. While I think the Switch will definitely sell more than the WiiU, and may even sell more than the 3DS, can it sell more than both of them together, including software sales? Because now that all Nintendo's eggs are (presumably at least) in one basket, that's what it's going to have to do right? 

post #43 of 730
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Speaking of networking... obviously there will be some wifi enabling but now do you need a dedicated hotspot for your gaming from your friendly cellular company?  And battery power?  Power pack sales will go through the roof for this, yeah?

It has been a while, but I don't think I had to have wifi or a hotspot to network my 3DS with my brother's. Same with the DS.

 

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But no, it most likely will not be able to compete with Xbox One and PS4 in terms of power on big multiplatform releases. This is obviously not the system to get if you want the new Battlefield. It's all about the exclusive software.

Rumors from developers have stated that it won't quite be as powerful as the current generation of consoles, but since it's being engineered to be dedicated as a gaming only machine that helps offset that imbalance by quite a bit. This is a weak comparison, but sort of like the iPhone vs. Android situation as I understand it. One is more powerful than the other on paper, but after some stellar engineering, the playing field is leveled.

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I wish they wouldn't be so skimpy with the CUDA cores. This is the kind of shit that leads to the platform being total dogshit to port to in 2 or 3 years time so the only developer left still putting a lot of effort into the releases is Nintendo itself.

 

Every. Time.

post #46 of 730
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I wish they wouldn't be so skimpy with the CUDA cores. This is the kind of shit that leads to the platform being total dogshit to port to in 2 or 3 years time so the only developer left still putting a lot of effort into the releases is Nintendo itself.

 

Every. Time.

 

If anyone at Nintendo knows what they're doing I hope they've got people out glad-handing as many indie developers as they possibly can, because that seems to be the only thing that has kept the Vita even remotely viable, and they'll desperately need small-scale 3rd party hits like Shovel Knight when the token launch window ports of old games dry up. Never forget:

 

post #47 of 730
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Only if the closing of the gap brings the handheld to par with a console.  Who wants a console that is weaker but just more powerful than my phone?

 

This is kind of what I was talking about when I asked about the processing power. The thing can play the new Zelda and Skyrim which is already probably more impressive than the first Wii, but at what reduction of processing and video power?

 

I'm not as up on my current tech as I should be. Is it possible that the console, when plugged into the dock, receives a hardware boost in processing power and video? It'd be kind of neat if games received full rendering and loading power when plugged in and playing at home, and scaled down when playing on the detached tablet, if only to keep things moving along at a decent speed.

post #48 of 730
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This is kind of what I was talking about when I asked about the processing power. The thing can play the new Zelda and Skyrim which is already probably more impressive than the first Wii, but at what reduction of processing and video power?

 

I'm not as up on my current tech as I should be. Is it possible that the console, when plugged into the dock, receives a hardware boost in processing power and video? It'd be kind of neat if games received full rendering and loading power when plugged in and playing at home, and scaled down when playing on the detached tablet, if only to keep things moving along at a decent speed.

 

From what I've read on Ars Technica, there's nothing in the dock to boost performance (i.e no Surface Book/ROG Station tech) but it may be that in order to run cooler/save battery the system will run at 720p in portable mode and 1080p when plugged in. Thus it may look better when plugged in, but only because the system itself can run full bore rather than via any additional processing power. 

 

Also, Skyrim came out in 2011, considering this thing drops in 2017 it would be shocking if it couldn't run it. 

post #49 of 730

We have zero confirmed info on possible hardware boosting in the dock at this time as far as I know. What's out there is a mix of speculation and varying unconfirmed info from multiple different leakers.

 

It's probably best to chill on thinking too hard about that part until the full hardware info is presented by December or January, whenever legit preorders start.

 

The version of Skyrim running on the Switch is also unknown. All we have to go on is the "Copyright 2016 Bethesda" at the end of the Switch commercial, and the USGamer guy points out that the lighting might look like the upgraded lighting in the about to be released Skyrim Special Edition remaster.

 

My speculation on Skyrim: It's unrealistic to expect that it will match the PS4 and Xbone versions of Skyrim SE, if only because there's no way the Switch has enough RAM and/or VRAM to handle the full load of higher res textures. I'd expect something in between the original Skyrim and the 2016 SE's graphics. Also, it's the Gamebryo engine, so it's going to run like a dog no matter what it's on. The main appeal of Skyrim Switch, from the publisher/marketing point of view, is probably supposed to be the portability. There was a cancelled prototype of Oblivion for PSP, so they may have wanted something to do like this for a while.

post #50 of 730
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We have zero confirmed info on possible hardware boosting in the dock at this time as far as I know. What's out there is a mix of speculation and varying unconfirmed info from multiple different leakers.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/20/nintendo-confirms-amiibo-support-for-nintendo-switch-clarifies-additional-features

 

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Nintendo continued: "The dock is not the main console unit of Nintendo Switch. The main unit of Nintendo Switch is the unit that has the LCD screen, which the two Joy-Con controllers can be attached to and detached from. The main function of the Nintendo Switch Dock is to provide an output to the TV, as well as charging and providing power to the system."

 

It'll definitely support Amiibos though!

 

EDIT: Really wish companies would knock off this coy stuff and just release a spec-sheet. I suppose it gives them emergency wiggle-room to fudge the final specs in case something goes wrong, but still. 

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