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post #51 of 218

I'm disappointed that Miller is off the film (clearly he understood the character well), but if that's the way it is, that's the way it is. I think Ruben Fleischer is a possible replacement idea, being that he worked well with the Deadpool writers on Zombieland.

post #52 of 218

I was watching some of the first one on HBO GO before Westworld started and man does it want you to care about Wade Wilson before he becomes Deadpool and man, do I do not care about Wade Wilson before he becomes Deadpool.

post #53 of 218
I don't know that the movie takes Wade (or anything really) seriously enough for me to care about him pre-Deadpool, but I still find the proceedings damned entertaining.
post #54 of 218
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I don't know that the movie takes Wade (or anything really) seriously enough for me to care about him pre-Deadpool, but I still find the proceedings damned entertaining.

 

This might just be semantics with care/engage, but I think the movie smartly realizes that all you need is great chemistry (which Baccarin and Reynolds definitely have) and the bare minimum of pathos to get us happily along for the ride. I actually gave way more of a shit about those two getting back together than I did, say, Thor and...Jane? Or maybe Commando might be a better comparison. At the end of Deadpool, I really enjoyed the final reunion between Wade and Vanessa.  For me at least there was enough there for the relationship to not feel like a naked plot device, whereas with Commando you could have replaced the kid with wife/dog/family heirloom/whatever revenge I guess for the motivation and changed the story not one iota. Wait, does he hook up with a waitress at one point? Maybe not wife then. 

post #55 of 218
Did you just disparage my middle school crush, Alyssa Milano?

Good day sir. Good day.
post #56 of 218
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Did you just disparage my middle school crush, Alyssa Milano?

Good day sir. Good day.

 

Who?

 

I kid, AND I'm willing to concede the point...if you can name her character without looking it up. 

post #57 of 218

I mean, the love story in Commando is between Matrix and Bennett, so...

post #58 of 218
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Who?

I kid, AND I'm willing to concede the point...if you can name her character without looking it up. 

Clearly a trick question, Alyssa always plays Alyssa.
post #59 of 218

I rest my case. 

 

EDIT: Damn .gif folder, where the hell...aha!

 

post #60 of 218

Some more info about the split has come to light. 

 

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In initial sequel talks, Reynolds, Reese and Wernick envisioned a “scrappy,” raunchy and inexpensive movie, the insider said — in the vein of the first, which earned over $780 million worldwide on a $58 million budget. It’s a stunning return on a film Reynolds lobbied 11 years to make.

Miller, known more for his visual flair than for the brash antics that Reynolds and his writers embraced and that fans loved, wanted a more stylish take, one that would compete with mega-budget superhero movies, insiders said. But it would have cost three times as much as the original $58 million film, the first individual said.

 

Yeah, I'm siding hard with Reynolds and co. here. What made Deadpool so charming was exactly that scrappy and raunchy feel. I don't need Deadpool to compete with Avengers movies. 

post #61 of 218
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Yeah, that article seems to indicate that Miller was set on making DEADPOOL 2 a lot more like other big budget suphero flicks.

post #62 of 218

It would have been nice to see Miller get a chance to do more X-Men crossover work even if under the guise of a Deadpool film.  I think he's been the only director/producer that Fox has had that seemed to have any real attachment to the source material and was more interested in adapting the books and characters than paying tribute to previous X-Men films.

 

"I got into comics on John Byrne’s run of the X-Men and the Dark Phoenix Saga. I got in around X-Men 95, right when it turned to the new X-Men. So that whole family, all those characters are kind of my favorite characters, just the X-Men world. I mean Dark Phoenix series, the way it was done, they didn’t do it justice in the past movies, in my personal opinion. I just like the X-Men universe..."

 

"...Those are the kind of things I think, as a fan… I mean, nothing against the movies that have been made before, but I feel like if there’s not a real reason to change those sorts of things, then you should stay true to the comics as much as you can. As a fan, it bothered me when he didn’t speak with a Russian accent. I expect that..."

 

"I can use myself as the barometer for fan reaction..." "...So I think fans are going to love it. I can’t think of a single thing they’re going to go, “Ah, you fucking pussied out on that.”"

 

These sorts of things stuck out to me in contrast with previous X-Men production heads at Fox.

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post #64 of 218
Didn't the third act action suffer in Deadpool because of budgetary limitations? Seems kind of odd to reject a higher budget for a sequel of Fox is willing to hand it over.

Maybe Reynolds really is the white knight here by trying to keep the budget down. Or maybe he gets a % of the profits, a la RDJ's deal, and a lower budget benefits him more.

I blame Miller for making Reynolds tolerable in it, and I also blame Miller for making Deadpool as enjoyable as it was. But this news has me worried.

Apparently Drew Goodard's name has also been mentioned for the director's chair.
post #65 of 218
Shockingly, the studio sided with the option that would cost them less money.

And for once, I agree. At least based on that account of things. I have a hard time thinking of anything about the first movie that would be improved with a $150 million budget.
post #66 of 218

 I'm a big fan of Cabin in the Woods, so I'm good with Goodard.

post #67 of 218
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Didn't the third act action suffer in Deadpool because of budgetary limitations? Seems kind of odd to reject a higher budget for a sequel of Fox is willing to hand it over.

 

Suffer? I'm not sure it suffered. I think you can tell editorial decisions and action choreography that reflected a limited budget, but it all still works well.

 

The joke about Deadpool's guns being left in the taxi was the movie's in-joke about the budget. 

post #68 of 218

Yeah.  The original script had a big epic shootout ala the Matrix where Wade just destroys a lobby full of goons.  They cut all that in favor of the Carrier.

post #69 of 218
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Seems kind of odd to reject a higher budget for a sequel of Fox is willing to hand it over.

 

I'm sure Reynolds' confidence is too bruised to risk turning his newfound hit into another risky mega budget film considering all the past big projects that have tanked.  If Deadpool 2 ends up being low-ish budget and R rated then there's almost zero chance it can fail to make its budget back purely on the hype/goodwill from the first film.  It would make sense that Reynolds wants to focus on the irreverent comedy that he enjoys, where as Miller may have been keen to stretch his wings as a new director and get to dig into the X-Men toy chest while he's at it.

post #70 of 218
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 I'm a big fan of Cabin in the Woods, so I'm good with Goodard.

Shortlist includes David Leitch and Drew Goddard (and some other people I haven't heard of). Of them, I'd go for Leitch.

post #71 of 218
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I'm sure Reynolds' confidence is too bruised to risk turning his newfound hit into another risky mega budget film considering all the past big projects that have tanked.  If Deadpool 2 ends up being low-ish budget and R rated then there's almost zero chance it can fail to make its budget back purely on the hype/goodwill from the first film.  It would make sense that Reynolds wants to focus on the irreverent comedy that he enjoys, where as Miller may have been keen to stretch his wings as a new director and get to dig into the X-Men toy chest while he's at it.

 

If his next film performs well perhaps a best of both worlds scenario where Reynolds keeps getting to do his Deadpool thing, and Miller helms an actual X-Men film?

post #72 of 218
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http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/08/ryan-reynolds-deadpool-2-director-david-leitch
 

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And the Deadpool creative team is aiming to keep the sequel lean and mean like the original. “The goal for us when we sat down and started talking about it was it needs to be as provocative and startling as the first film which means it can’t just be a continuation of the first film,” says producer Simon Kinberg (X-Men: Apocalypse). “It has tonally and stylistically be as fresh and original. That’s a big challenge especially because they had 10 years to gestate on the first movie and we don’t have that kind of time on the second movie. That’s the biggest mandate going into on the second film: to not make it bigger. We have to resist the temptation to make it bigger in scale and scope, which is normally what you do when you have a surprise hit movie. But actually stay true to the tenets of it’s the tone and the style and the humor that make it so special — it’s not the explosions and the special effects.” 

 

From this and the rest of the article, it sounds like they're still working on a relatively tight budget...which I'm guessing is partly Fox being stingy, and partly because it buys Reynolds & Co. more creative control, since fewer initial dollars are at stake.

 

Still, I like what I'm reading here, and I like that they are, on paper at least, actively resisting the seemingly obligatory Go Bigger and Louder requirement for action/comic sequels. 

post #73 of 218

‘Deadpool 2’: Tim Miller Speaks Out About Leaving the Sequel

 

http://collider.com/deadpool-2-director-tim-miller-cable-comments

 

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“I just want to say one thing to the geek audience out there, because it’s important to me what the geeks and nerds of the world think because they are my brothers and sisters. I didn’t want to make some stylized movie that was 3 times the budget. If you read the internet — who cares, really? But for those of you who do, I wanted to make the same kind of movie that we made before because I think that’s the right movie to make for the character. So don’t believe what you read on the internet.”
 
“I wanted to do the same thing [as the first movie]. Kyle Chandler was not going to be Cable. All this stuff that I read kind of kills me.”
 
“Even when some people go, “The movie was really hard to make.” The movie was a joy to make. I think you see it on screen. We all had such a good time. We had a few arguments in post, but nothing more than usual. The crew was so great, everybody was going to come back and we were going to have such a good time and the idea that it was a difficult movie…It wasn’t, it was a joy, and it was the best experience of my life.”
 
“I wish them nothing but good — I hope it’s great. I hope it’s a great movie. Because I love the character and I think it’s great, and I love all the actors and I want to see them successful again. I haven’t met David, but he’s a great guy from everything I’ve heard. I want nothing but the best for the character. And for Fox, too. They deserve to make more money. They need to make more money [laughs]. They were great. They were terrific.”
post #74 of 218
Thoughts on Pierce Brosnan as Cable? I have no clue what the character is, but he looks like a Rob Liefeld type from what I understand.
post #75 of 218

Surprised they didn't go with Stephen Lang, personally.  Just came off a successful film and made his interest clear on social media, which is mostly how Deadpool was greenlit in the first place.  Oh and he's perfect for the part.

post #76 of 218

As a fan of his Bond, I'm good with it.

post #77 of 218

I think Brosnan could bring a lot to the role of Cable.  I hope the rumor is true.

post #78 of 218

Brosnan as Cable?!  NO. Lang and Perlman are RIGHT THERE and they want to play the character.

 

Much better if he was Mr Sinister.

post #79 of 218

I don't have much invested in the character, but Cable is supposed to be a big dude. Brosnan's kind of scrawny, but could pull off the personality.

 

Although it doesn't matter, because in a Deadpool movie Cable will probably be a joke, much like Colossus in the first one.

 

Seems kind of a waste to not introduce Cable in an X-Men movie proper with the whole backstory of being the son of Cyclops and Jean Grey (technically). 

post #80 of 218
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Although it doesn't matter, because in a Deadpool movie Cable will probably be a joke, much like Colossus in the first one.

 

Disagree that Colossus was a joke. He was the butt of a lot of Deadpool's joke, but the film itself didn't treat him as contemptible or unworthy. Given that the entire film is literally Deadpool's version of events, of course Colossus is going to get mocked. But neither he nor Negasonic felt like jokes in and of themselves to me.

post #81 of 218

Deadpool just shooting the baddy at the end felt like a dismissal of everything Colossus stands for in the movie. He's pretty much a stand-in for do-gooder superheroes, more Superman than Colossus actually is in the comics. The whole movie seems to be laughing at him as a lame-o compared to supercool Deadpool.

post #82 of 218
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Deadpool just shooting the baddy at the end felt like a dismissal of everything Colossus stands for in the movie. He's pretty much a stand-in for do-gooder superheroes, more Superman than Colossus actually is in the comics. The whole movie seems to be laughing at him as a lame-o compared to supercool Deadpool.

 

Hmm. You have a point there, but I'm still not convinced the film itself is laughing at him. Everything we're getting is via Deadpool's POV, and he's a hard edged pragmatist rather than an idealist. 

post #83 of 218

I will fuck you sideways.

post #84 of 218
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I appreciate your high estimation of my flexibility.

post #85 of 218
David Morse as Cable (I choose him above Lang) with Carnahan helming would have been great.

Brosnan??

Ehh, I hope he puts on 30 pounds and they use alot of low angles.
post #86 of 218

If Pierce Brosnan must be Cable, I hope there's a scene where Deadpool has to move in with him and complains about living there, only for Pierce to go FULL TAFFIN on him.

 

post #87 of 218
For the record, Brozz is a pretty tall guy, taller than all actors mentioned above except David Morse. So he only needs to bulk up, or at least appear as such.

As long as he works as a funny counterpoint to Ryan Reynolds, I guess that's what ultimately matters.
post #88 of 218
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Posted by Reynolds on YT:

 

post #89 of 218

Ha. I wasn't the first movie's biggest fan but I continue to respect Reynolds' devotion to the character. I really can't think of anyone who could play him better. 

post #90 of 218

So good. Especially the use of the Superman score. 

 

Can't wait for this. 

post #91 of 218
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Did you catch him doing an Aussie accent making fun of Jackman/Logan in the last 15 seconds or so?

post #92 of 218
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Did you catch him doing an Aussie accent making fun of Jackman/Logan in the last 15 seconds or so?

that was the good part. The whole phone booth thing was obvious how it was going to play out as soon as the supe theme started. 

post #93 of 218

Even better was the book report at the end:

 

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 The old man and the sea is the story of a fight between and elderly, accomplished fisherman, Santiago, and a really big fish. Like... HUGE. The story opens with Santiago suffering eighty four days without catching a fish because he's the unluckiest son of a bitch on planet earth. Honesty, if you were in a boat for eighty four days, it'd be hard NOT to catch a fish... even by accident. Santiago was so unlucky that his apprentice, Manolin, was forbidden by his Ma and Pa to fish with him. But as the Fresh Prince used to say, "Parents just don't understand". So the boy visits Santiago's shack anyway, ignoring the inherent risks of unsupervised playtime with an eldery man who talks to himself. Manolin helps out, moving Santiago's fishing gear, making food, and talking about baseball. Especially Joe DiMaggio, who used to bump fuzzies with Marilyn Monroe. The next day, Santiago tells Manolin that he's going way out into the gulf Stream. WAY OUT north of Cuba. Lady Luck is returning. On the eighty-fifth day of his crappy lunch, Santiago drops his lines and by noon, gets a bite from what feels like a big-ass fish. He's sure he's a winner. He fights and fights and fights and fights but can't pull the monster in.Santiago's leaky old boat is pulled by the fish for two days and nights as he holds on for dear life. Even though he's bloody and beat, Santiago begins to appreciate this mighty adversary. He starts calling him "Brother" or maybe even "Bro". It's sort of a love story if you really think about it. And like most romantic comedies, the reader pictures a delightful outfit changing montage, followed by the inevitable interspecies wedding. But on the third day, Santiago is freakin' EXHAUSTED, and decides he just wants the fish to do what he says and not always swim wherever it wants. So he stabs it. With a fucking harpoon. It's a mess. Super gross. Blood everywhere. Because, like many men his age, Santiago has difficulty expressing his emotions and fears with words instead of giving in to base desires and imposing his gigantically terrible position on any given subject through unblinking violence. Typical. Anyway, he straps the marlin to the side of his skiff and hits the road home, read to act like a total show off to everyone and probably gouge people on the price. But guess what? Pretty soon sharks begin to attack the bleeding Marlin's carcass, because as we all know, life is a tragic opera and just when you think you've finally found something good and true, sharks come along and rip it all to fucking shreds while dry-humping your dignity with their crazy-weird shark dicks. Sure, Santiago tries killing a few of them, but drops his harpoon because his hands are just as old as he is. By nighttime, the sharks have pretty much eaten the entire marlin. Only a bleach-white skeleton remains, silently mocking him in the murky darkness. Santiago realizes he's still unlucky, REALLY unlucky (DUH!) Ma calls the sharks "dream killers". Which isn't really all that fair, I mean, the sharks were just doing their job and the marlin... Jesus, don't even get me started on the marlin. It was just hanging out one day, minding it's own business, maybe thinking about ways it could be a better provider for it's family and WHAM! Harpoon in the brain. Who's the "Dream killer" now, fuckface! The hypocrisy is pretty much boundless at this point. Eventually Santiago makes it ashore. Leaving the bones of the marlin and the boat, he hobbles to his shack. He makes it home and crashes, like I said - He's super tired. The next morning, a group of fisherman gather around Santiago's boat. One measures the skeleton and, holy shit shingles! It's over 18 feet! The head of the fish is given to Pedrico (Strange that this is the first mention of him) and the other fishermen ask Manolin to send their glad tidings to the old man. Manolin brings Santiago newspapers and coffee when he wakes and they decide to fish together again. Many years later there's a Red Lobster restaurant in nearly every city in America offering a casual dining experience and convenient parking.
post #94 of 218

I was watching this new trailer, and I thought, hmm, I bet they run this into the ground and they age like Shrek movies. Then I came to look in here, and you guys were on top of that last October! Props.

 

Pierce Brosnan might be Cable? Brosnan is looking pretty old now. Maybe if he plays it like a clown version of Patrick Stewart in Logan.

post #95 of 218

"Zip it Stan Lee!" Nothing deeper to say than, that video made me laugh.

post #96 of 218
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Did you catch him doing an Aussie accent making fun of Jackman/Logan in the last 15 seconds or so?


​Not bad but I don't remember Hugh sounding like that at school.

post #97 of 218

yeah this is what played in front of LOGAN

 

I didn't find it particularly funny

post #98 of 218
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yeah this is what played in front of LOGAN

 

I didn't find it particularly funny


​Yes, but we know you have questionable taste, nooj so it's hard to sort out whether something's actually bad or not based just on your opinion.

post #99 of 218
Speaking of, I rewatched the other Wolverine movies before Logan, and I'm a bit confused about the version of Deadpool that was in Origins. Bear in mind I know nothing about the character but I did think the Deadpool movie was quite amusing. I thought he was basically supposed to be a good guy, so why does he do that sadistic smile when they're about to start ruthlessly slaughtering the villagers in Origins? Also, how did he survive getting decapitated in that movie?
post #100 of 218
Originally Posted by Disciple_72 View Post

Speaking of, I rewatched the other Wolverine movies before Logan, and I'm a bit confused about the version of Deadpool that was in Origins. Bear in mind I know nothing about the character but I did think the Deadpool movie was quite amusing. I thought he was basically supposed to be a good guy, so why does he do that sadistic smile when they're ruthlessly slaughtering the villagers in Origins? Also, how did he survive getting decapitated in that movie?


​That specific set of events have been completely obliterated from continuity but even without that, one of the after credit scenes show's Deadpool's body retrieving his still functioning head. That's consistent with the comics in that as long as there's anything left of Deadpool, he can rebuild himself.

 

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