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post #1 of 961
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Okay, I guess I'll kick this off. Just out (Ireland) and it's a big meh from me

I'll keep this short as I'm very tired and it's nearly bedtime here.

First off, the theatre was almost empty. I know it's a Tuesday but it's still opening night. That can't be a good sign, can it?

Most of humour fell flat for me. I found Cumerbatch's American twang highly distracting. The plot is paper-thin. The villain is weak and forgettable. And by the end it just feels like another dull, vanilla origin story. And yes, there are both mid and post-credit scenes. If you have seen the trailers you have seen the movie. No surprises. Visually it is very impressive but not worth the price of admission.

I really have nothing else to say about this. I have forgotten most of it already. I'll be very interested to see how the general public perceive this and if it is a commercial success or not. I predict a strong opening followed by a very sharp decline.
post #2 of 961
Question. Do you have an anti marvel agenda? I can't keep up with all the partisan opinions.
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Question. Do you have an anti marvel agenda? I can't keep up with all the partisan opinions.

Nope. I'm a big fan of the Marvel flicks. They're knocking it out of the park again and again. But this was a misfire for me.
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Most of humour fell flat for me. I found Cumerbatch's American twang highly distracting. The plot is paper-thin. The villain is weak and forgettable. And by the end it just feels like another dull, vanilla origin story. And yes, there are both mid and post-credit scenes. If you have seen the trailers you have seen the movie. No surprises. Visually it is very impressive

I'll second that. The VFX and cinematography is stunning (though massively Nolan influnced, basically Batman Begins meets Inception meets Interstellar x 100). The plot is crazy with all the wormholes and astral peojection and alternate universes. But it's structure is 100% generic Marvel superhero origin, with all the heroes beats in the correct places - and a typical Marvel villain. I suppose they had to do that so not to lose everyone, but strangely for all the crazy stuff (and there is impressive stuff here you won't have seen anywhere else) it's a very vanilla movie experience.
post #5 of 961
Well, hopefully I'll never have to sit through that again.
post #6 of 961
Why did they release this two weeks early in the Land of Sourpusses?
post #7 of 961
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Why did they release this two weeks early in the Land of Sourpusses?

I'm not sure of the thinking behind it but it has been the case with several of the Marvel films now. We seem to get it at least a week earlier than the US. Not complaining mind you.
post #8 of 961
It's to deprive the fuddy duddies of shawarma scenes, obviously.
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Hmmm...  Do I trust the grumpy assholes here, or the corporate bias of Rotten Tomatoes?  Ugh this is HARD.  The Hillary Trump of the film community.  

post #10 of 961
It's just your common or garden Marvel origins movie.

Cumberbatch looks the part but he also comes across hammy in some scenes plus he doesn't pull of the comic touches as easily as others in the franchise seem to and I really didn't warm to him in the slightest as a character.

The movies fine. It's just that there's absolutely nothing new here. Regardless of the excessive visual effects - those things get pretty boring quite quickly - I don't care how complex you can get things to look, they're simply a thin veneer pasted onto a thin plot.

You've seen this movie 5 or 6 times now, just with different paintwork. Each to their own, but I honestly don't get how people can get excited by these movies anymore unless your massively invested in the Marvel universe.

It's just same old same old.
post #11 of 961
Bummer.
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hahahah oh marble

awesome

now I can go in with heavily diminished expectatations!

because
no free will
post #13 of 961

How's Tilda Swinton in this?

post #14 of 961
Law of diminishing returns, man. In business, diversity mitigates risk. I have no doubt Dr. Strange will do fine or even better than fine at the box office, but the assembly line process they have going is not going to keep paying out for audiences (even less so for critics).
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I think it stopped a while back, actually.

post #16 of 961
The critics, well the UK ones at least, love this movie.
post #17 of 961

It wouldn't be the first time CHUD had a contrary opinion. 

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Even despite the now obvious formula of Marvel movies, they have the huge advantage of not being DC or X-MEN movies. The brand alone sells, and has a built in assurance of colourful fun. We can gripe about cookie cutter templates and so forth, but it's been my experience non-geek viewers (and especially family audiences) love the reliability safety of them. One person's bland broth is another's adored comfort food.
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The reactions are pretty funny, given that this is Kevin Feige's "passion project".

 

I'll still see it, since there's not much else in the theater until Arrival comes out.

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I have a question. One of the biggest problems of Strange as a character is how vast his powers are.

 

Does the MCU version clearly explain what are the limits that Magic can do?

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It has no limits, it's magic.  I suppose Harry Potter technically had limits...  That didn't stop them from pulling a "OH, A WIZARD DID IT!" out of their ass every book.  

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The critics, well the UK ones at least, love this movie.

Do they happen to be the same UK critics who loved Spectre Blue Lou?
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Do they happen to be the same UK critics who loved Spectre Blue Lou?

*Gasp*

post #24 of 961
May I ask. Do I watch it tonight in the worst cinema in Cardiff (because I'm broke until Saturday)? Or watch it in Imax 3D on Saturday (when I'm less broke)?
post #25 of 961
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It's just your common or garden Marvel origins movie.

Cumberbatch looks the part but he also comes across hammy in some scenes plus he doesn't pull of the comic touches as easily as others in the franchise seem to and I really didn't warm to him in the slightest as a character.

The movies fine. It's just that there's absolutely nothing new here. Regardless of the excessive visual effects - those things get pretty boring quite quickly - I don't care how complex you can get things to look, they're simply a thin veneer pasted onto a thin plot.

You've seen this movie 5 or 6 times now, just with different paintwork. Each to their own, but I honestly don't get how people can get excited by these movies anymore unless your massively invested in the Marvel universe.

It's just same old same old.

 

This. About halfway through I was...bored. The movie was just happening in front of me and I felt no engagement with it or any of the characters whatsoever. My friend felt exactly the same way and we both really enjoy the Marvel films - a lot. It felt like the kind of origin story they were making 10 years ago. Comparisons with Inception are probably unfair but because the latter did the "bendy cities thing" first, but it feels like nothing new here.

 

I'm no sourpuss, film snob or grump but this was just bland. As Stale Elvis said - it's fine. Not bad, just fine.

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May I ask. Do I watch it tonight in the worst cinema in Cardiff (because I'm broke until Saturday)? Or watch it in Imax 3D on Saturday (when I'm less broke)?


I saw it in 2D. There are a couple of sequences that might benefit from IMAX but if I were you I'd see it tonight. As it happens in my theatre there was a small problem with the projector that cast a blue haze in the corner of the screen so my friend and I complained after and got a refund. So the night wasn't a total loss...

post #27 of 961

Definitely agree with the formulaic criticisms, it's by the numbers origin stuff and Cumberbatch, good though he is in the role, can't really elevate bog standard material. The movie checks all the usual criticism against Marvel stuff: weak villain, an even weaker female lead, REALLY out of place humor (I tend to not mind jokes in Marvel movies in general but in this one they really really went against the mood in some scenes. Not everything has to be a punchline guys). Plus there's a noticeable difference in the quality of directing between action scenes where the director was the only one behind the camera vs more VFX oriented stuff.

 

All that being said, there's a pretty nifty visual idea in the climax and the big final battle hinges on the hero having to be clever to defeat his foe, with not a hint of a sky portal or a light beam in sight, so props for that at the very least.

 

Oh and Giacchino's score is pretty good but underplayed in the movie so there's nothing that stands out as much as the end credits theme.

post #28 of 961
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I saw it in 2D. There are a couple of sequences that might benefit from IMAX but if I were you I'd see it tonight. As it happens in my theatre there was a small problem with the projector that cast a blue haze in the corner of the screen so my friend and I complained after and got a refund. So the night wasn't a total loss...

Thank you!

This thread is quite the bucket of cold water. That's probably a good thing.
post #29 of 961
I think anyone on these boards who says they enjoy this will have already been determined to like it before going in.

Outside of new environments and new cookie-cutter characters, there is quite litterally nothing in this that you haven't seen a 1000 times before in more compelling movies.
post #30 of 961
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Agreed. The thing is, I went into this completely spoiler-free. I had seen one trailer - that was it. And I'm not familiar at all with any of the source material.  I had read no reviews or reactions online. So I had no expectations one way or the other.

 

I like Cumberbatch. I really like Marvel movies. And I'm far from being burned out by "superhero" films.

 

But I found it dull. I looked at my watch twice. And although it has a running time of only 1hr 55 minutes, it felt like 2 and a half.

 

It's not terrible. But the bar has been set high by other entries. The whole thing just felt like a paint-by-numbers setup for Doctor Strange to pop up in someone else's movie.

post #31 of 961

I think it can work both ways though, Elvis. You decided that you weren't going to like it before you went in, according to your Pre-Release comment. 

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I think it can work both ways though, Elvis. You decided that you weren't going to like it before you went in, according to your Pre-Release comment. 

This is true. I got exactly what I was expecting, however I really was open to being surprised by something other than the obvious. But we never got that. It really was such an obvious movie.
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Even despite the now obvious formula of Marvel movies, they have the huge advantage of not being DC or X-MEN movies. The brand alone sells, and has a built in assurance of colourful fun. We can gripe about cookie cutter templates and so forth, but it's been my experience non-geek viewers (and especially family audiences) love the reliability safety of them. One person's bland broth is another's adored comfort food.

So like Transformers then?

I'll see this because the theater on base sells tickets for 3$, but I'm not all that surprise.
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I like Cumberbatch. I really like Marvel movies. And I'm far from being burned out by "superhero" films.

Thanks for the heads up guys.

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Thanks to some seriously lowered expectations, I actually ended up enjoying it quite a bit.  Yes, it's got the Usual Marvel Movie Problems (tm) but it's one of those cases where the highs are insanely high and help to carry the low points through.  Appreciated the resolution to the final conflict - something fresh and unique (to Marvel) that actually tied in perfectly to the main character's arc as well.  Golf clap for that.

 

But I will say - whoever was responsible for filming and editing the fight scenes needs to be taken out back and Old Yella'd.  So closely cropped, so many angle switches, you seriously can't keep track of the geography let alone who's doing what to who.  You actually bother getting someone like Adkins for this and then bury him in editing - he actually does the Guyver Kick here!  That is a human special effect that would have people in awe as much as all the CGI here, and yet it's just thrown into the fight so randomly with no set-up, and cut so badly that it barely even registers what he's done (and that's coming from someone who knows what it is!  Even my wife who is a huge Adkins fan didn't even realise he'd done it until I mentioned it afterwards).  The way it's presented it really looks like he jumps in the air and just falls over.

 

But enough grumbling about that.  There's a lot to actually like in the film.  Strange is a big one for me personally, and although it definitely could've been a lot better, as a jumping off point for the character I wasn't devastated over what they gave me.

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Your reaction sounds similar to the word that was coming out on it so where exactly were your expectations lowered, NZ, that they got surpassed? Was it just the fact that you enjoyed it more than you thought you would (due to the "insanely high" highs that you mentioned)?

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Your reaction sounds similar to the word that was coming out on it so where exactly were your expectations lowered, NZ, that they got surpassed? Was it just the fact that you enjoyed it more than you thought you would (due to the "insanely high" highs that you mentioned)?

 

Not lowered in any specific area, wasp - just read some non-spoilery reviews and so forth and the general consensus seemed to be "it's standard origin story fare", so I just calibrated my enthusiasm because although I don't believe in the dreaded "superhero fatigue", I do believe you can get sick of the same template, and that's not the same thing.  It's kinda as simple as that, really.  The one thing I'll say about Mads' villain is that it feels like they could have created a lot more depth with some basic script adjustments.  The opening scene of him stealing the spells and tipping on out to set up him being the bad guy are redundant later on when Strange finds pages missing in a book and Wong basically tells him exactly word for word what that opening scene showed.  That's all we needed.  They could've actually opened with his character and showed what it was that drove him to look for the Ancient One's help in the first place - would have resonated a lot more once he starts explaining why he turned away from her.  But that's just me.

 

The highs (for me) were the crazy visual touches (I actually got slight motion sickness during part of the NYC portal chase sequence - and that was in 2D!), the Ancient One's final scene (really quite touching - Swinton is fantastic in the role, I thought) and Strange's resolution to the crisis.  He uses his wits to outsmart the enemy - it's a very Constantine move.  Normally the standard way with these films is "That didn't work, and that didn't work, but if I just do MORE of it with no explanation as to the difference between those effects and THIS effect, I'll win!".  The outcome here was different and much appreciated - plus it totally pays off his arc about it being "about more than just you".

This post is a bit unfocused, sorry - I'm a bit all over the place right now so my apologies if I'm not explaining too well.

post #38 of 961

Jeff Cannata called this one of his favorite Marvels.

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Oh, one thing I forgot to say - the vast majority of the humour in this one felt incredibly forced.  I get that humour is entirely subjective so it could just be me, but man it just didn't work like nearly every other Marvel film.  Just felt either shoehorned in or completely out of place at times.  Not all bad - there's a couple of great lines in there.  but considering they got Dan harmon in to punch up the gags, I expected way more there.  Maybe he did the bits I liked?

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So how come the jokes in the trailers seem pretty great?  The only good lines?

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So how come the jokes in the trailers seem pretty great?  The only good lines?

 

Not all of them.  Swinton and Wong have some funny lines, and feel natural in that they seem organic to the characters as opposed to "that's a real zinger!".  And to be fair, there's a bit of a running gag about Strange not being as funny as he thinks he is, so I guess that's really part of it.  But some of the visual gags with the Cloak Of Levitation (which is an actual sentient being here) were just . . . not good.

post #42 of 961
Loved it. Visually stunnjng and that was enough for me.

3D was worth it for the first psychedlic bit alone .

Liked everyone in it and didnt care that it was another origin story. It did what it did very well and thats more than enough for me.

Kids loved it. Cinema was packed.
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I was quietly worried when I went to see this last night, having read the first few opinions in this thread and seen that they were quite negative. However, watching Doctor Strange for myself reminded me how unreliable movie reviews can often be – one person can see a disaster where someone else witnesses a spectacle, after all. As it is, I walked out of Doctor Strange with a massive grin on my face and the feeling that I had just watched a movie which will easily sit in my top five Marvel movies.

 

I thought Benedict Cumberbatch would be the biggest hurdle for me; as I've never been able to warm to his performances. I've watched every season of Sherlock but it was Doctor Strange that finally made me a fan of the actor. In fact, once I got used to him speaking in an American accent, I found his performance to be one of the strongest in the MCU since Chris Evans. It takes a lot to support a character arc as broad as this one (from selfish surgeon to selfless sorcerer in two hours) and, whilst I'm not 100% certain that the film manages it, Cumberbatch does a LOT of the heavy lifting by himself. He was incredibly likeable throughout and I really look forward to seeing his further appearances in the MCU. Hell, I'm going to head over to Amazon after this to shop for some Doctor Strange graphic novels because I really like the character as a result of this movie and Cumberbatch's performance.

 

The folding landscape scenes in this movie are really well done and the trailer only gives you a brief glimpse as to how they're implemented. I will agree with a comment earlier in this thread that some of the action scenes are shot with too many close-ups or dutch angles, and I found that frustrating because, on the whole, I really enjoyed the action scenes here. The use of the different magic abilities (such as the face-off with Scott Adkins) kept things interesting, and I liked the connection they established between magic and martial arts.

 

That's not to say I don't have complaints…

 

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...because some of the humor fell flat for me. The flattest was the Beyonce joke but, then again, it set up a scene with Wong listening to Beyonce as books disappeared around him which made me smile, so I can't write it off completely.

 

I also think that, as much as I liked the final Dormammu vs Strange confrontation (although I wasn't especially keen on Dormammu's visual look) and it illustrated how Strange was now prepared to sacrifice his own life for others, you don't hire Mads Mikkelson and not have a final showdown between him and Cumberbatch. Disappointing….

 

...but these complaints aren't enough to drag the film down. When the final scene arrived, I was actually disappointed because I wanted MORE. If the sequel had been playing in the next screen, I'd have bought tickets there and then.

 

If you've enjoyed most of Marvel's output over the years, I'm pretty sure you're going to like this. It's not their best movie but (in my opinion) it's one of their best solo hero movies . Can't wait to see Doctor Strange 2. Hell, I'm probably more excited about that than The Avengers 3 now.  

post #44 of 961

And Scott Adkins?

post #45 of 961

Very small role but his main scene was one of my personal highlights.

post #46 of 961
Did you watch it in 3D Sax?
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I chickened out. :( Kind of wish I'd stuck to my intention of breaking my "Fuck 3D" rule after seeing some of the sequences in 2D (as I can imagine they'd look even more glorious in 3D). There's a good possibility I'll revisit this one in 3D before its run is over.

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I was quietly worried when I went to see this last night, having read the first few opinions in this thread and seen that they were quite negative. However, watching Doctor Strange for myself reminded me how unreliable movie reviews can often be – one person can see a disaster where someone else witnesses a spectacle, after all. As it is, I walked out of Doctor Strange with a massive grin on my face and the feeling that I had just watched a movie which will easily sit in my top five Marvel movies.

 

I thought Benedict Cumberbatch would be the biggest hurdle for me; as I've never been able to warm to his performances. I've watched every season of Sherlock but it was Doctor Strange that finally made me a fan of the actor. In fact, once I got used to him speaking in an American accent, I found his performance to be one of the strongest in the MCU since Chris Evans. It takes a lot to support a character arc as broad as this one (from selfish surgeon to selfless sorcerer in two hours) and, whilst I'm not 100% certain that the film manages it, Cumberbatch does a LOT of the heavy lifting by himself. He was incredibly likeable throughout and I really look forward to seeing his further appearances in the MCU. Hell, I'm going to head over to Amazon after this to shop for some Doctor Strange graphic novels because I really like the character as a result of this movie and Cumberbatch's performance.

 

The folding landscape scenes in this movie are really well done and the trailer only gives you a brief glimpse as to how they're implemented. I will agree with a comment earlier in this thread that some of the action scenes are shot with too many close-ups or dutch angles, and I found that frustrating because, on the whole, I really enjoyed the action scenes here. The use of the different magic abilities (such as the face-off with Scott Adkins) kept things interesting, and I liked the connection they established between magic and martial arts.

 

That's not to say I don't have complaints…

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

...because some of the humor fell flat for me. The flattest was the Beyonce joke but, then again, it set up a scene with Wong listening to Beyonce as books disappeared around him which made me smile, so I can't write it off completely.

 

I also think that, as much as I liked the final Dormammu vs Strange confrontation (although I wasn't especially keen on Dormammu's visual look) and it illustrated how Strange was now prepared to sacrifice his own life for others, you don't hire Mads Mikkelson and not have a final showdown between him and Cumberbatch. Disappointing….

 

...but these complaints aren't enough to drag the film down. When the final scene arrived, I was actually disappointed because I wanted MORE. If the sequel had been playing in the next screen, I'd have bought tickets there and then.

 

If you've enjoyed most of Marvel's output over the years, I'm pretty sure you're going to like this. It's not their best movie but (in my opinion) it's one of their best solo hero movies . Can't wait to see Doctor Strange 2. Hell, I'm probably more excited about that than The Avengers 3 now.  


How does Cumberbatch's performance compare to his Khan?

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I chickened out. frown.gif Kind of wish I'd stuck to my intention of breaking my "Fuck 3D" rule after seeing some of the sequences in 2D (as I can imagine they'd look even more glorious in 3D). There's a good possibility I'll revisit this one in 3D before its run is over.

I'm seeing it on the morrow so I'll let you know.
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How does Cumberbatch's performance compare to his Khan?

 

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