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post #51 of 127

Oooh! That's quite interesting casting. 

post #52 of 127
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That's spot-on casting for a middle-aged Foy.
post #53 of 127

As a fan of hers from her Mitchell & Webb/Peep Show days, I'm looking forward to seeing what she does with a role Foy has already done a lot to build up.

post #54 of 127

Wot? A policewoman-officer?

 

 

 

Naughty old queen. 

post #55 of 127

Giving S1 a re-watch in anticipation of S2. 

 

Really holds up, though I can't help thinking there must be some positive aspects to being Monarch of England :rolleyes:

 

The Great Fog episode is my favorite. It really gets into how ugly politics can be and how even a personal tragedy can be used for political gain. 

 

Did Morgan use actual letters or diary entries for the Duke of Windsor? They seem authentically bitter and cutting. I can't decide if the Duke's perceptiveness would have made him a terrible King or a great King. 


Really anticipating the new season. 


Edited by Cylon Baby - 12/3/17 at 7:03pm
post #56 of 127

Letters! 

 

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-06-20/news/mn-3553_1_duke-of-windsor

 

I also think it's widely known that the Duke was generally Not A Good Dude. 

post #57 of 127

Thanks!

 

It's amusing that throughout S1 The Monarchy is described as human beings "becoming one with the Divine" in order to give the people an ideal to strive for. 


Just like Superman!

post #58 of 127

"They will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the light of the sun and Philip will make racist jokes about them." 

post #59 of 127

The second season seems to be getting glowing reviews, so I'm looking forward to checking it out. I think I'll do a slow watch, as I did with the first season, rather than a binge. It feels more like a show I want to soak in rather than dive into. 

 

You can tell they've done something right when someone like me, who doesn't give a fuck about the Royal family, is actually excited for a show about them.

post #60 of 127

Mr. Saxon, what is the current state of "Royalmania" in the UK?

 

Here the Royals are perennial Tabloid fodder. Also a few years ago, a Brit couple who rented a house down the street from me displayed this giant banner with the princes on it with a Union Jack background. (I forget the occasion, one of the Princes got married?). 

 

Just seems the Americans are more into British Royalty than the British. 

post #61 of 127
Prince Harry just announced his engagement to a beautiful actress so I'd say Royalmania is at an all time high.
post #62 of 127
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Just seems the Americans are more into British Royalty than the British. 

 

I think these comments from John Oliver regarding Brits and the Royal Family are pretty on-point.

 

post #63 of 127

I just enjoy watching my fellow Americans about the nuances of British secession and this dumb thing going around about how Markle's and Harry's kids will be both eligible for the Presidency AND the throne at the same time. Which, I think, is possible if she just doesn't take any titles. 

post #64 of 127

I laughed at one of the quotes from someone present at their first meeting with the public last week. I haven't got the patience to go digging for it whilst I'm sitting at my office desk but a woman was quoted saying something along the lines of: "It was really exciting to meet Prince Harry because the husband and I are big fans of The Royals. We're also huge Suits fans so it was like having your birthday and Christmas on the same day!"

post #65 of 127
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I think these comments from John Oliver regarding Brits and the Royal Family are pretty on-point.

 

 

Ugh Late Night talk show hosts are teh suck. 

post #66 of 127
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I laughed at one of the quotes from someone present at their first meeting with the public last week. I haven't got the patience to go digging for it whilst I'm sitting at my office desk but a woman was quoted saying something along the lines of: "It was really exciting to meet Prince Harry because the husband and I are big fans of The Royals. We're also huge Suits fans so it was like having your birthday and Christmas on the same day!"

 

Kind of sums it up, and it's amusing to think that this Netflix Series is probably watched more, and taken more seriously by Americans than the Brits who ostensibly enjoy rule by the Royal Family. 

post #67 of 127
I just started watching season 1, very engaging.

I decided ohhh I'm gonna be bad and go on Wikipedia and spoil Philip's death, no doubt in a fiery plane crash.

Dude is still alive at 96??
post #68 of 127

He retired from public life this past year. His health hasn't been great. 

post #69 of 127

I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he met Harry's bride-to-be. Then again, he was probably warned by Elizabeth about saying anything rude, and reserved all of his racist comments for when she was no longer in earshot. 

post #70 of 127

What's weird upon re-watch is how everyone insists that The Monarchy be this Platonic ideal that the real human beings who hold the titles must fit themselves into. 


That's not historically accurate. Elizabeth I, Henry the VIII, King John Lackland....all where most certainly individual personalities. 

 

This idea of "people want THE CROWN not the person" is very modern.

 

Also the "Nostalgia Porn" aspect of the show kind of leaps out. All those beautiful solid state cameras, control panels and TVs...oh my! The cg scene of the fleet of Bombers flying over the palace in Episode 7 made me so nostalgic! Which is weird seeing as how I wasn't born until decades later....

post #71 of 127

Anyone else watching Season 2? I'm two episodes in, and I think they doubled the budget for S2. 

 

Think I might get the soundtrack to this. The recurring theme set to Nasser's takeover of the Suez Canal in E1 was outstanding, as is the sequence. 

 

I do think they are starting to stretch the Royals being tied into world events a bit. Also some teevee "on the nose" things, like Phillip having a stormy interview with a reporter, then the next scene shows Phillip's ship tossing about in a storm. Because he's feeling stormy inside, get it?

 

I'm diggin' it!

post #72 of 127

Man Anthony Eden is portrayed as a BITCH in this series.

 

I know people really loved the penultimate episode of S1 when Winston Churchill commiserates with the Painter commissioned to create his portrait. I liked that, but for me the best part of that episode was Churchill's confrontation with Eden, when Eden yells "I have one thing you'll never have again: A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH!". Then he proceeds to start to pull out an actual Bill of Health! 

 

In S2 he's shown as a twat that starts a war with Egypt so he can one up Churchill. Then the war fails, and everyone turns on him. 

 

Oh and WHO is the leader of the backstabbers who turn on him? WHO could they get to play Harold MacMillion?

 

.................................................................................................................................................................................................QYBURN!

post #73 of 127
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Anyone else watching Season 2? I'm two episodes in, and I think they doubled the budget for S2. 

 

 

I'm starting my watch today. Doubt I'll binge it, as the first season felt more like a show to take your time with, but it depends how I feel at the end of each episode.

post #74 of 127
Michael C. Hall is probably one of the least convincing portrayals of JFK I've ever seen. One of the few sour casting notes.
post #75 of 127

I forgot how beautiful the music for this show was. 

post #76 of 127

I wonder if Peter Morgan was criticized, or just questioned, about the real events his series is based on. Because a lot of episodes in S2 have codas where we see pics of the real events/people. I think only the Great Fog episode of S1 had that. 

 

And it's used to horrific effect in Episode 6. Holy Shit: had no idea that the Duke of Windsor was in so deep with

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The Nazis.

 

And he never owns up to it in any way.

 

This makes him what CHUD's Mr. Saxon would call "a right Cunt". 

post #77 of 127

Alex Jennings is so good in the role that you almost forget what a ghastly person the Duke was. His last scene goes from quietly sad to horrifying in a matter of seconds.

post #78 of 127

I'm on episode away from episode six so I'll let you know! (ETA: Okay, I've seen the episode now and I wasn't aware of that aspect of his past either, so yes, he's a right cunt. I'd also like to echo the praise for Jennings in the role.)

 

I wonder what CHUD's Flint thinks of this show's portrayal of his father, Sir Robin Day, in episode five. The actor certainly looks and sounds the part. 


Edited by MrSaxon - 12/12/17 at 12:29am
post #79 of 127

Finished up season two today and, whilst I think it's slightly inferior to the first season (partly because Lithgow's absence is felt, and partly because it feels a lot slower than the first season), I thought it was still really good. 

 

I'm really going to miss the two lead performances, particularly Foy's who - as a result of playing a character bound by so many constraints - does much of her acting using just her eyes. A perfect example of this is the scene where she hears that Jackie Kennedy has been saying rude things about her, and she briefly looks as though she's about to cry before collecting herself and announcing that she looks forward to having Jackie as a guest again in the future. This show almost makes manages to make me a fan of Elizabeth, showing her as a woman of quiet intelligence and, most importantly, dignity. There aren't many public figures you could point to as having those particular traits. 

 

It was mentioned in this thread that this season looks to have had a bigger budget, and they've certainly put that money to good use. There's a lot of globe-trotting throughout the season, and the show does an excellent job at establishing those locations. 

 

I think my favorite performance of the season probably belongs to Matthew Goode as Anthony Armstrong-Jones (aka Lord Snowdon). Goode does a really great job at conveying Snowdon's charm and show what Margaret found so enticing about him, whilst also demonstrating why he was a dangerous man for anyone to get close to. His final scene in the season, and the way he says "FUCK!" when Margaret is calling him to her, actually made me laugh out loud. 

 

My favorite episode is probably the penultimate episode, not only because it gave some insight into Philip, but it also made me feel a little sorry for Charles, a man I've never really cared for in real life. 

 

Very much looking forward to the third season now. It's going to be interesting to see the new cast taking on a new era.

post #80 of 127
Im up to episode 6, season is excellent so far. This is one of the better shows I've gotten into recently. It makes potentially stuffy material into electric drama.

One little thing that's off in both seasons: the most dramatic of dramatic music swells, combined with "montage of concerned faces", is reserved for Margaret's romantic woes, as if that crisis is equal to national security. Really guys, take a chill pill...it's not that big a deal.
post #81 of 127

Watching Episode 8 and woof! Terrible casting and portrayal of JFK. Utterly charmless and lackluster. Thugish even. Is that how he's viewed by Peter Morgan or Brits in general? First episode out of 2 series that I truly dislike. 

post #82 of 127

It was certainly a different portrayal than I'd ever seen. I mean, I know the guy was no saint, but I also don't think of him as a jealous, abusive drug-addict. I'd be interested to hear Morgan's thought process behind that portrayal. 

post #83 of 127

Maybe it's just Morgan dissing American "Royalty" in contrast to the Real Thing?

post #84 of 127

*pushes glasses up nose* Well, actually, as someone who's very into that period of history and also Peter Morgan's other work (and not having seen The Crown), the way you are choosing to describe the show's portrayal of JFK is not out of line with at least a few contemporary historians (i.e., the last 20+ years) or portrayals of Kennedy (chiefly Ellroy in AMERICAN TABLOID and Hirsh's THE DARK SIDE OF CAMELOT). Furthermore, there's also been a lot written - mostly in David Nasaw's THE PATRIARCH - about the effect that Joe Kennedy (an abusive, domineering father if there ever was one) had on his children. While most Kennedy scholarship of the 21st century thus far has focused on the "flawed, but noble" aspects of JFK (as in Dallek's genius AN UNFINISHED LIFE, which revealed in depth how sick he really was throughout his adult life and presidency, not just from Addison's, but also from chronic back pain as a result of his WWII injury), it's not an unusual interpretation, particularly from the conservative/far right (the recent miniseries from 24 producer Joel Surnow, THE KENNEDYS, where Greg Kinnear plays Jack, takes a somewhat similar approach).

 

That being said, much of Morgan's work has been about mythmaking and mythbusting, and in both FROST/NIXON and THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP, he does a brilliant job at making US presidents deeply flawed human beings or, in the case of Nixon, almost tragic figures, while retaining enough about them that you can see the appeal and the allure of why they got elected to office. 

post #85 of 127

Ah, interesting to know. Thanks for the info! 

post #86 of 127

It's the role Michael C. Hall was born to play! He's the spitting image of JFK.

 

I thought it was a very good episode, all things considered.

 

I can always watch the impeccable Bruce Greenwood in Thirteen Days if I want to see noble JFK.

 

This cracked me up from the radio announcement: "The first CATHOLIC President of the United States...". Hilarious to think that was such a big deal back then, like he was a Satanist or something.

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That being said, much of Morgan's work has been about mythmaking and mythbusting, and in both FROST/NIXON and THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP, he does a brilliant job at making US presidents deeply flawed human beings or, in the case of Nixon, almost tragic figures, while retaining enough about them that you can see the appeal and the allure of why they got elected to office. 

 

Morgan really picks his heroes and villains, doesn't he? I mean he really loves Elizabeth and Tony Blair and he really hates Nixon (my nitpick with Frost/Nixon is Langella plays Nixon like a doddering old man. In reality Nixon was quite energetic and "with it" in those interviews, which are worth watching). 

 

 

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It's the role Michael C. Hall was born to play! He's the spitting image of JFK.

 

I thought it was a very good episode, all things considered.

 

I can always watch the impeccable Bruce Greenwood in Thirteen Days if I want to see noble JFK.

 

This cracked me up from the radio announcement: "The first CATHOLIC President of the United States...". Hilarious to think that was such a big deal back then, like he was a Satanist or something.

 

He looks in no way like JFK. 

 

Real life JFK was a charmer and a hell of a speech giver. The speech they have him give in this episode is like some GrimDark Old Testament prophecy!

 

Re; The Catholic thing. It was a major source of bigotry back in the day. WASPS hated Catholics and really thought they took orders from the Pope. I worked at a place more than 10 years ago with a Fundie who told me to my face that I'm not a Christian, I'm a Catholic. 

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He looks in no way like JFK. 

 

 

post #89 of 127

So I need to read through this thread, but I am finally caught up after starting the show a few weeks back and wanted to post a few thoughts.  I think it is a fantastic show, driven by historical perspective and excellent character work.  I certainly consider it one of the best dramatic programs on television now.

 

As a red-blooded American, I've given marginal thought to the Crown and its significance during my lifetime, happy that my British cousins had a valuable link to their history that meant something to them.  So this show is a fascinating look into something of genuine value and interest.  It is a great dramatic subject, as Queen Elizabeth II has been a person of consequence for the past 65 years.  Most world leaders last a few years, then retire and write a book or two.  While the Queen has no legal power, she has met and interacted with almost every person or event of significance since WWII, a dramatic period of evolution for Britain, the world, and human history. 

 

And it is a beautiful show, impeccably filmed, costumed, scored, and performed.  Claire Foy has been exceptional from the jump, and Matt Smith really owned Season 2.  The entirety of the supporting cast has been magnificent.

 

Quick Edit: I loved the portrayal of Edward.  He still retains one of the best scenes in the show, as he is narrating the Queen's coronation and transformation to his guests in France.  What a brilliant piece of writing, performing, and psychological insight.


Edited by First Class 782 - 12/20/17 at 8:14am
post #90 of 127
Thread Starter 

Smith is really knocking it out of the park on this show, especially his scene alone with Elizabeth in the final episode of the season.

 

And the actors they cast for their version of Beyond the Fringe were downright uncanny.

post #91 of 127

Just finished S2 and agree, Richard, that last confrontation with Foy and Smith was very raw and honest. Def will be in their awards submission. 

 

I will say overall S2 was just slightly (slightly!) inferior to S1. I didn't care for the artistic license taken with some events, like Young Philip touring the wreakage of his family's crashed plane or MacMillion being on stage with everyone laughing at him. Just not needed. 

 

I hope this is bringing in the numbers because I'd love to see the series completed. 

post #92 of 127
MacMillan being on stage was in his own mind, no? I thought it was supposed to be a visualization of his insecurities. It is a fact that he attended a comedy performance like the one portrayed in the show and was recognized.

Philip felt contrived. His father blaming him for his sister's death was not only inaccurate, it came across as over the top.
post #93 of 127

I just finished Episode 3, where Phillip demands the rank of Prince. The child like pathetic look on his face as he sits on the throne next to Elizabeth is the saddest image in the season by far. 

post #94 of 127

I'm going to miss Smith's grumpy face. I keep wondering when they're going to announce his replacement. Can't be that long until production starts again for the new season.

post #95 of 127

Smith was exceptional in Season 2.  His performance really balances his patriotism, his frustration (he is a patrician at heart, married to the most important woman in the world who is legally both his superior and his job), and his love for his wife (the woman).  He really plays Phillip as having contempt for the vagaries of royal life, but being snobby about their station.  It's fascinating.  No one does volcanic and helpful disdain like Matt Smith.

 

Should have gotten a nomination for S2.

post #96 of 127

The lack of a strong throughline, I think, hurt season 2.  As much as I enjoyed binging it, I'm not sure it all added up to much after twenty episodes.  Honestly, these are miserable, fairly boring people... and once the show did the excellent job of portraying how the duties of the crown sort of sucked the life out of Elizabeth, I'm not sure what else there was to say.  Of course, season 3 will be a new cast, and hopefully a renewed direction for the show to go in.  Foy and Smith are excellent, however, and I will miss them.  And the Tommy Lascelles guy.  I wish he would just follow me around in my daily life, giving people disapproving looks.

post #97 of 127

Helena Bonham Carter "all but confirmed" to star as Margaret opposite Olivia Colman's Elizabeth: 

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-crown-season-3-helena-bonham-carter-princess-margaret-olivia-colman-queen-elizabeth-a8143451.html

I've been thinking of who they could/should get to play middle-aged Philip and I keep thinking about Douglas Hodge. 

post #98 of 127
Is Season 3 the “Princess Diana Years” where Prince Phillip gets married ?
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Is Season 3 the “Princess Diana Years” where Prince Phillip gets married ?

You mean Charles?
post #100 of 127
Whoops! Yes.

And who will play them, I wonder. And how they will portray Diana in this? They’ve been pretty raw with everyone else.
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