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post #101 of 40795
2020? He's not running again, guys. Why would he take the risk of losing? He got the prize, proved that his celebrity is th best. Won the biggest toy imaginable. He won't do it again at 74.


Inevitably, one of you will throw post back in my face in three or so years.
post #102 of 40795
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Hey man I didn't vote for Trump. I was just explaining that Hilary wasn't very well liked by a lot of people (including me), despite her 30 years of public service.

 

She won the popular vote.... barely. Let's not pretend that she's some beloved American hero who got screwed over by the Electoral College system.


Alright.  My bad.  Emotions running high yesterday. 

post #103 of 40795
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2020? He's not running again, guys. Why would he take the risk of losing? He got the prize, proved that his celebrity is th best. Won the biggest toy imaginable. He won't do it again at 74.


Inevitably, one of you will throw post back in my face in three or so years.

Oh yeah, if I were him I'd go out on top! He can play the "I didn't need this, I'm a billionaire! I ran because I love this country, and it needed fixing. And I. Fixed. It. Mike Pence is an outstanding individual (who's actually been running the country for the last 4 years anyway), and you should vote for him."

They'll give Pence unanimous support and give him a female VP running mate.

And they'll win.
post #104 of 40795

It'll all depend on how things are going, really.  If he's as big a clusterfuck as he could be short of global nuclear war...no, he wouldn't win a re-election bid, nor would his chosen successor.

 

If things aren't a disaster, it'll depend on who the Dems put up to try to defeat him.

 

If things are, by some miracle, going well...then yeah, reelection may be all but a formality.

 

I do find the conundrum of Trump handling the office of the Presidency an interesting one, as it's going to be a continual war between his desire for the biggest spotlight imaginable and his wish to do as little actual work as possible.  I also don't think he'll allow himself to just be a rubber-stamp/puppet president...not entirely.  His ego is too big to risk some other guy (Pence) getting all the credit for "his" work, and even more so people believing that "Pence is really the guy in charge." 

 

He's gonna swing his dick around from time-to-time and it'll be amusing to see who in the GOP it ends up slapping in the face in the process (usually Pence).  I also fully expect that Trump will be quick to seize credit for any good news and throw Pence and Congress under the bus for bad news on a regular basis.  That's gonna make things prickly between the various factions.

 

I also find myself curious as to whether John Kasich is kicking himself for not accepting the supposed Trump running mate offer, or if he's still kicking back thinking, "Oh Mike, you really don't know how bad you're going to get screwed, do you?"

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The Dow Jones is up, but the NASDAQ is down I see, especially hi-tech companies who import skilled labour and export manufacturing jobs (Apple, etc). The market seems remarkably unfazed by Trump though.

post #107 of 40795
I'm glad I'm Canadian and wasn't forced to vote between two of the worst candidates for the presidency in probably ever, as you guys did.

I dislike Donald Trump. I dislike Hillary Clinton.

With that said, Donald Trump didn't become a billionaire by being stupid, lucky, or lazy. He's a smart guy in certain ways, in other ways he is a really, really stupid guy.

It's 2016. Trump is a business man. It's bad business to start wars. He'll be more concerned with trade agreements and finding a way to slow down China's skyrocketing economy that is beneficial to the US economy.

I think that's about the only positive thing to say about him.

Good luck guus.
post #108 of 40795
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Originally Posted by catartik View Post

I'm glad I'm Canadian and wasn't forced to vote between two of the worst candidates for the presidency in probably ever, as you guys did.

I dislike Donald Trump. I dislike Hillary Clinton.

With that said, Donald Trump didn't become a billionaire by being stupid, lucky, or lazy. He's a smart guy in certain ways, in other ways he is a really, really stupid guy.

It's 2016. Trump is a business man. It's bad business to start wars. He'll be more concerned with trade agreements and finding a way to slow down China's skyrocketing economy that is beneficial to the US economy.

I think that's about the only positive thing to say about him.

Good luck guus.

He became rich by inheriting his money and getting his face put on television as often as possible.

This man is not a smart businessman.
post #109 of 40795
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Originally Posted by RCA View Post
 


Alright.  My bad.  Emotions running high yesterday. 

 

Apology accepted.

 

 

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I fully expect zero people to agree with me on this, but I am (very) cautiously optimistic that Trump and his long time personal friend Chuck Schumer (whom he's supported both verbally and financially) might be able to do some good things.  Infrastructure spending is important.  Schumer has been yelling about China's currency manipulation for years (which is a legitimate issue).  FYI as of yesterday, Trump's pledge to ban all Muslims from entering the country was silently removed from his website...where it used to be front and center.

 

I just read his proposal for the first 100 days. Essentially the "BAN ALL MUSLIMS" has been reworked (or rephrased) into this (taken from his proposal for his first 100 day ):

 

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* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

 

Source: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

 

 

And to whomever said their mother didn't feel she needed to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, bravo to her. People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's a woman is illogical and sexist, but somehow it's seen as a valid argument. There's a bunch of people out there who'll jump on a man's ass for voting for a man and be like "why did you for HIM and no her? You're a sexist!", but then if a woman votes for a woman they're "Good for her for supporting women!" but if she votes for a man "She's voting against her interests!" The man voting for a man get's called a sexist, but a woman voting for a man is stupid/dumb/ignorant/self-hating? That's really insulting to women's intelligence.

 

Like a good friend of mine and New Yorker said on Facebook early on in the election cycle when Bernie was still in the race: "Why are people telling me to vote with my vagina?"

post #110 of 40795

So the whole "not talking to my family any more" thing is going into motion today.

 

My wife decided it's best to not do it at the Thanksgiving table, so I guess it'll be a phone call.

 

Still not entirely sure what I'm going to say, but the goal is to make them feel regret and shame.

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Originally Posted by PeJota View Post

 

And to whomever said their mother didn't feel she needed to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, bravo to her. People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's a woman is illogical and sexist, but somehow it's seen as a valid argument. There's a bunch of people out there who'll jump on a man's ass for voting for a man and be like "why did you for HIM and no her? You're a sexist!", but then if a woman votes for a woman they're "Good for her for supporting women!" but if she votes for a man "She's voting against her interests!" The man voting for a man get's called a sexist, but a woman voting for a man is stupid/dumb/ignorant/self-hating? That's really insulting to women's intelligence.

 

Like a good friend of mine and New Yorker said on Facebook early on in the election cycle when Bernie was still in the race: "Why are people telling me to vote with my vagina?"

 

It's not that Hillary was owed votes on account of her vagina, it's that Trump is specifically, uniquely, openly toxic to women as anything but sex dolls.  I understand not voting for Hillary.  I do not understand voting for "just grab them by the pussy."

post #113 of 40795
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Originally Posted by PeJota View Post

People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's not the candidate who admitted to a predilection for sexually assaulting women.

Fixed that for you bro.
post #114 of 40795

Maybe those women who voted for Trump think the lesser of two evils is a man who said "grab em in the pussy" and all that goes with it?

 

I'm just saying that if 53% of voting women voted for Trump, then writing them all off as ignorant, stupid, self-hating, no self interest, etc. just to feel morally superior about yourself and explain the results is exactly the mentality that got a ridiculous candidate like Trump elected in the first place.

 

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I'm personally close (she's basically family) with a woman (Jewish, daughter of immigrants) who's a successful owner of two business who voted for Trump. I'm sure there are plenty of other intelligent, successful women like her who voted for him. There is something more going on here. People are willing to put aside or ignore aspects of politicians, people can justify choices that seem to be at odds with who they are (I know Latinos who voted Trump [note: I am Latino myself]).

 

I'm advocating intelligent analysis and reflection to try to actually figure out what happened. Not blaming sexes or groups and feeling morally superior.

post #115 of 40795
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Originally Posted by PeJota View Post
 

Maybe those women who voted for Trump think the lesser of two evils is a man who said "grab em in the pussy" and all that goes with it?

 

I'm just saying that if 53% of voting women voted for Trump, then writing them all off as ignorant, stupid, self-hating, no self interest, etc. just to feel morally superior about yourself and explain the results is exactly the mentality that got a ridiculous candidate like Trump elected in the first place.

 

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I'm personally close (she's basically family) with a woman (Jewish, daughter of immigrants) who's a successful owner of two business who voted for Trump. I'm sure there are plenty of other intelligent, successful women like her who voted for him. There is something more going on here. People are willing to put aside or ignore aspects of politicians, people can justify choices that seem to be at odds with who they are (I know Latinos who voted Trump [note: I am Latino myself]).

 

I'm advocating intelligent analysis and reflection to try to actually figure out what happened. Not blaming sexes or groups and feeling morally superior.

 

Bully for you.  No particular group is a monolith, and everyone has to do their own calculus.   I personally am not capable of working out the type of calculus that would lead me, as a frog, to vote for someone who openly identifies as a scorpion.

post #116 of 40795
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I'm advocating intelligent analysis and reflection to try to actually figure out what happened.

I can dig it, I was just trying to point out your "just because she's a woman" angle was missing a massively relevant angle in terms of what Trump represents to many. And, as usual, Schwartz had already done it by the time I hit submit, but I need to get my post count up if I'm ever going to catch Nooj so I posted it anyway. Sorry if it seemed like piling on.
post #117 of 40795
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Originally Posted by neil spurn View Post

2020? He's not running again, guys. Why would he take the risk of losing? He got the prize, proved that his celebrity is th best. Won the biggest toy imaginable. He won't do it again at 74.


Inevitably, one of you will throw post back in my face in three or so years.


Haha, yeah. And Trump will thrive these 4 years on a challenge. He wants to (specifically) turn (homestate!)  NY and California -- "Reagan Red".

 

Trust me. Trump actually wants to be loved by everyone.

 

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Is that real?

 

Wow.  If so, that has to be first.

post #120 of 40795

"Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president."

 

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Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day.

 

Garrison Keillor
Special to the Washington Post

 

So he won. The nation takes a deep breath. Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president. We are so exhausted from thinking about this election, millions of people will take up leaf-raking and garage cleaning with intense pleasure. We liberal elitists are wrecks. The Trumpers had a whale of a good time, waving their signs, jeering at the media, beating up protesters, chanting "Lock her up" — we elitists just stood and clapped. Nobody chanted "Stronger Together." It just doesn't chant. 

 

The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that's their problem now. They only wanted to whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving us wild with dismay — by "us," I mean librarians, children's authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, birdwatchers, people who make their own pasta, opera goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch. The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth. 

 

Alas for the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones and they will not like what happens next.

 

To all the patronizing BS we've read about Trump expressing the white working class's displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, "Feh!" — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for baldfaced stupidity. America is still the land where the waitress's kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians, but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given talents and the kids aren't plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and ignorance does less than nothing for your kids.

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post #121 of 40795
I think I'm having some sort of delayed reaction to this whole thing.

I mean I genuinely didn't expect Trump to win, genuinely believed that the general American population isn't that stupid. Honestly thought that deep down when it came right down to it in the polling booths the vast majority, or even just a majority wouldn't be able to bring themselves to put their mark down for Trump.

It's only now that I see the pictures of him sitting next to Obama in the Oval Office is it sinking re couldn't be a bigger contrast in political and ideological figures. Literally poles apart. Just unbelievable. It's just hitting home now that o see the, together. What the fucking fuck did America do? Jesus Christ. I mean Hillary was bad, make no mistake I thought she was a fucking horror of a woman, but she at least had a clue about politics. Trump genuinely looks scared to be there. He was happy enough to win, but it looks like it's only now sinking in for him too. Obama looks hard pressed to have to share a stage with this clueless shitheel and you can't blame the man.

Holy fuck America, what did you do?
post #122 of 40795

has anyone posted this Hasan Minhaj piece from last night's Daily Show.....the part at the end about his mom is scary to ponder.

 

Why Wasn't Donald Trump's Bigotry a Deal-Breaker?

post #123 of 40795
This guy gets it, been saying this for years...
post #124 of 40795
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Holy fuck America, what did you do?

Two days in and we're going down the drain - https://twitter.com/ShaunKing 

post #125 of 40795

I think the hardest part for me personally is to rationally put together in my mind how much I like my own state versus how much I dislike my own country.

 

In the state I live in, the things that Trump has said and done made him a laughingstock who finished nearly as close to Johnson as to the winner. In the country I live in, none of the hateful and deficient things Trump has said and done mattered enough to keep him from the most important job in the world.

 

In the state I live in, we may not all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya, but whether it's my own ethnicity or another that represents the majority, I don't feel like that defines us in our daily lives. In the country that I live in, even as a straight white male the overt misogyny and general bigotry that are now clearly an accepted part of our culture make me feel like an "Other".

 

In the state I live in, there are plenty of ignorant, bigoted people (especially in my part of the state), but they feel a societal pressure that tells them their worst thoughts and impulses are not acceptable. In the country I live in, mocking, dismissing and even violently assaulting anyone who isn't a white christian male is now the norm.

 

I want my state to succeed. I'm in the weird position of not just expecting my country to fail, but -wanting- it to, just miserably enough that we don't continue down this path.

post #126 of 40795

With all the hand-wringing and self-doubt among Democrats right now, it's worth noting that in the past 7 presidential elections (1992-2016), more people voted for the Democrat than for the Republican in 6 of those elections. 2004 was the only election in the past 24 years where the Republican won the popular vote.

 

Think about that. Majorities are consistently voting Democratic in presidential elections over the past generation or so; it's just that not enough of those voters have been in the right states. That's a product of the Electoral College, not of some widespread dissatisfaction for Democratic candidates or Democratic platforms among the majority of voters. A better job can certainly be done to increase those majorities and to spread them into more parts of the country. But the country as a whole is far from becoming the Trumpland we're fearing.

post #127 of 40795

Not joking.  I am afraid.  Fascists are being appeased.

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And to whomever said their mother didn't feel she needed to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, bravo to her. People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's a woman is illogical and sexist, but somehow it's seen as a valid argument. There's a bunch of people out there who'll jump on a man's ass for voting for a man and be like "why did you for HIM and no her? You're a sexist!", but then if a woman votes for a woman they're "Good for her for supporting women!" but if she votes for a man "She's voting against her interests!" The man voting for a man get's called a sexist, but a woman voting for a man is stupid/dumb/ignorant/self-hating? That's really insulting to women's intelligence.

 

Like a good friend of mine and New Yorker said on Facebook early on in the election cycle when Bernie was still in the race: "Why are people telling me to vote with my vagina?"

 

It's not that Hillary was owed votes on account of her vagina, it's that Trump is specifically, uniquely, openly toxic to women as anything but sex dolls.  I understand not voting for Hillary.  I do not understand voting for "just grab them by the pussy."

 

Has anybody considered the possibility that these particular women enjoy having their pussy grabbed?  

post #129 of 40795
Trump's transition website is promising to dismantle Dodd-Frank. Remind me how he was the candidate that would bravely take on Wall Street?
post #130 of 40795

It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.

 

"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"

 

post #131 of 40795
You know he never wanted to actually have the job. Now that the rush has worn off and his ego is (momentarily) sated, he's having to face up to the prospect of people actually expecting him to do the work.
post #132 of 40795

If nothing else, when Reagan/Thatcher were in power, there was a lot of good and angry music coming out....

 

I've been listening to a lot of punk/reggae/rap over that last day or so.....this being one.

 

post #133 of 40795
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You know he never wanted to actually have the job. Now that the rush has worn off and his ego is (momentarily) sated, he's having to face up to the prospect of people actually expecting him to do the work.

I truly believe this to be the case.
post #134 of 40795
Trump never demonstrated any curiosity or desire to learn about the issues. He ran a campaign of slogans, not ideas. Why would he start behaving any differently now? He's intellectually lazy, and that means his administration will essentially be ran by Pence and congressional Republicans. He'll be the figurehead handling the PR side and taking the credit.
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Trump never demonstrated any curiosity or desire to learn about the issues. He ran a campaign of slogans, not ideas. Why would he start behaving any differently now? He's intellectually lazy, and that means his administration will essentially be ran by Pence and congressional Republicans. He'll be the figurehead handling the PR side and taking the credit.

 

Thing is, he'll probably be bad at that, too.  Whenever he feels like he's not getting enough attention (it's never enough), he'll lash out at even (especially) the hands that feed him.

post #136 of 40795
But even a figurehead is expected to at least go through the motions. I think he's just now realizing that he's going to have to do an assload of trucking around presiding at shit and giving speeches nobody will watch when he could be sitting in his office masturbating.
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I think he's just now realizing that he's going to have to do an assload of trucking around presiding at shit and giving speeches nobody will watch

 

This is key.  It was the rallies and the attention that fueled him.  Sad.

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It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.

 

"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"

 


"I thought when you said I got to pick a cabinet we would go to the furniture store."

post #139 of 40795

He's probably upset about the downgrade in housing.

post #140 of 40795
Cool Trump wax figure. Oh shit is that him?!
post #141 of 40795
Trump had no real desire to win, but an insatiable desire to not lose.
post #142 of 40795
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post
 

It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.

 

"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"

 

It was said more than once during the election: the motherfucker had ZERO desire to actually be President.

From the NYT today:

 

 

The mental image of a wide-eyed Trump sitting there thinking "OH DEAR LORD WHAT HAVE I DONE" fills me with chuckles. This term is going to feature at least 5,000 moments which will go great with the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.

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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post

It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.

"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"



Reality setting in. Completely out of his depth & unprepared for an experience few humans are privy to. One that past presidents spend a lifetime preparing for.

He is now at the centre of the global hurricane. Every move is watched, measured, and criticized. Every move has consequences. A saint to the faithful. A pariah to everyone else. The sole recipient of the world's vitriol.

And he knows that he will be utterly alone.

When he spoke with Obama, he was grateful & humbled because the incumbent was the only real friend he was gonna have in this. The only one that mattered. Because Obama is the only man who knows - who fucking knows - what it's like to be the leader of the free world in 2016.

Then, at some point today, Trump realized that - whatever quality men like Obama have that gifts them with the ability & strength to flourish under the awesome, unparalleled weight of the office; to be respected, admired, and even loved while simultaneously enduring the neverending cacophonous vitriol - Trump knew he didn't have it.

So, yes, he'll drape himself in a rainbow flag, kiss every black baby, and dance a jig for every camera - because he's completely unprepared for the alien monstrosity of the experience. And he's not a true believer, so there's no ideological bubble to cancel out the noise.

There's just Trump. Alone. And that's gonna get old real fucking quick for a guy who's had everything his way his entire life.

And that's when this photo was taken.
Edited by Art Decade - 11/11/16 at 5:28am
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When he spoke with Obama, he was grateful & humbled because the incumbent was the only real friend he was gonna have in this. The only one that mattered. Because Obama is the only man who knows - who fucking knows - what it's like to be the leader of the free world.
 

Did Jimmy Carter, G.W.H. Bush, G.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton die in the last 24 hours and I didn't hear about it?  

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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

When he spoke with Obama, he was grateful & humbled
Did we elect some other Donald J. Trump while I wasn't looking?
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Originally Posted by Andy Bain View Post
 

It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.

 

"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"

 


It might also have more to do with not exactly forgiving Ryan for abandoning him.

 

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Did we elect some other Donald J. Trump while I wasn't looking?

Look it up:

"Mr. President, it was a great honor being with you and I look forward to being with you many, many more times," Trump said, adding that he and Obama had spoken about some wonderful and difficult things and "some high-flying assets."

It was not immediately clear what he meant.

The President-elect also said he would seek "counsel" from Obama.

As the pool of reporters were led out, Trump told them several times that Obama was "a very good man."

post #148 of 40795

Oooh, Bezos bends the knee.

 

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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post


Look it up:

"Mr. President, it was a great honor being with you and I look forward to being with you many, many more times," Trump said, adding that he and Obama had spoken about some wonderful and difficult things and "some high-flying assets."

It was not immediately clear what he meant.

The President-elect also said he would seek "counsel" from Obama.

As the pool of reporters were led out, Trump told them several times that Obama was "a very good man."

 



First of all, ART! Hi Art!

Second, I agree "Grateful and humbled" would apply, although I think that's built on a healthy foundation of "scared shitless."

EDIT: I think Pence will be running things before . . . let's go with March.

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Originally Posted by Art Decade View Post

Reality setting in. Completely out of his depth & unprepared for an experience most humans aren't privy to. One that past presidents spend a lifetime preparing for.

He is now at the centre of the global hurricane. Every move is watched, measured, and criticized. Every move has consequences. A saint to the faithful. A pariah to everyone else. The sole recipient of the world's vitriol.

And he knows that he will be utterly alone.

When he spoke with Obama, he was grateful & humbled because the incumbent was the only real friend he was gonna have in this. The only one that mattered. Because Obama is the only man who knows - who fucking knows - what it's like to be the leader of the free world in 2016.
 

Absolutely. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes. For years people assumed that Clinton and Bush II were bitter enemies, when in actuality Bush regularly sought Clinton's counsel and the two became close friends. 

 

Presidents really are something. They say shitty things about each other and then, faced with a position of unimaginable stress and nerve-shredding dilemmas, they turn to each other.

 

I've never been much of an Obama fan (even though I did vote for him), but his decorum these last few days has been really impressive. I'll be sad to see him go.

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