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post #13351 of 45174

Well, at least, Trump's Reddit following is upset about the Republican Party voting to allow Internet service providers to sell America's browsing history to the highest bidders:

 

http://www.avclub.com/article/death-internet-privacy-tearing-reddits-the_donald--252927

post #13352 of 45174

"We thought he was OUR kind of brain-damaged hatemonger!"

 

Ironically, this is their first confrontation with the concept of pre-judging people being a bad idea.

post #13353 of 45174
A ton comedians like Oswalt and Silverman are chomping at the bit to buy the search histories of Republican lawmakers:

http://www.avclub.com/article/republican-lawmakers-just-made-it-legal-buy-search-252907?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

A ton comedians like Oswalt and Silverman are chomping at the bit to buy the search histories of Republican lawmakers:

http://www.avclub.com/article/republican-lawmakers-just-made-it-legal-buy-search-252907?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
The biggest revelation that would likely come from Congresspeople's browsing histories would likely be how little they personally use the internet. Especially the older members.

Sure you'd find some pornmongers, but I think the greater share would simply be revealed as out of touch with the Information Age. Damning in its own way but not as embarrassing as Paul Ryan surfing bjsforhealthcare.com.
post #13355 of 45174

I think we'd find a large number of super conservative pols searching for rentboys.

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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

A ton comedians like Oswalt and Silverman are chomping at the bit to buy the search histories of Republican lawmakers:

http://www.avclub.com/article/republican-lawmakers-just-made-it-legal-buy-search-252907?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

 

  I think you can buy aggregate data, but not on an individual basis.  I hope I'm wrong though, because the party of Trump, Hastert, Gingrich, Bannon, etc...is going to have some unconventional porn searches to say the least.

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Trump wants his supporters to vote out Freedom Caucus members in 2018, and they're already fighting back:

 

 

post #13360 of 45174

More and more of that dossier keeps getting confirmed....

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

 

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Steele's "dossier", as the material came to be known, contains a number of highly contested claims.

 

At one point he wrote: "A leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there."

 

There was no diplomat called Kulagin in the Russian embassy; there was a Kalugin.

 

One of Trump's allies, Roger Stone, said to me of Steele, scornfully: "If 007 wants to be taken seriously, he ought to learn how to spell."

 

The Russian Foreign Ministry said Kalugin was head of the embassy's economics section.

 

He had gone home in August 2016 at the end of a six-year posting.

 

The man himself emailed journalists to complain about a "stream of lies and fake news about my person".

 

If anyone looks like a harmless economist, rather than a tough, arrogant KGB man, it is the bland-faced Kalugin.

 

But sources I know and trust have told me the US government identified Kalugin as a spy while he was still at the embassy.

 

It is not clear if the American intelligence agencies already believed this when they got Steele's report on the "diplomat", as early as May 2016.

 

But it is a judgment they made using their own methods, outside the dossier. 

 

A retired member of a US intelligence agency told me that Kalugin was being kept under surveillance before he left the US.

 

In addition, State Department staff who dealt with Russia did not come across Kalugin, as would have been expected with a simple diplomat.

 

"Nobody had met him," one former official said. "It's classic. Just classic [of Russian intelligence]." 

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Well, at least, Trump's Reddit following is upset about the Republican Party voting to allow Internet service providers to sell America's browsing history to the highest bidders:

 

http://www.avclub.com/article/death-internet-privacy-tearing-reddits-the_donald--252927

I always wondered about those r/The_Donald people.  If there is one thing most redditors seem to be unanimous about, it's net neutrality.  How could they think that Trump would do anything to protect people from businesses?  You have to be a special level of dense.

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

Trump wants his supporters to vote out Freedom Caucus members in 2018, and they're already fighting back:

 

 

 

And Paul Ryan is openly complaining about Trump's words about working with Democrats on health care.  Plus, Bob Corker was mad that Ryan would think bipartisanship is such a bad idea.  To all of this lately, I say:

 

post #13363 of 45174

Amidst all the other nonsense, President Snowflake is on twitter today suggesting he should change libel laws because the NYT keeps 'getting him wrong'.

 

Alex Jones should let him know that laws are already in place to keep media organizations from spreading outright lies: https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/847464140603924480

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Man I hope we can look back at this whole administration, some years hence, and say 'yeah, that was definitely some weird shit.'

 

I think that is the best possible outcome, at this point. 

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Man I hope we can look back at this whole administration, some years hence, and say 'yeah, that was definitely some weird shit.'

 

I think that is the best possible outcome, at this point. 


​Just being able to 'look back' will be an amazing accomplishment for this admin...

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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
 

I always wondered about those r/The_Donald people.  If there is one thing most redditors seem to be unanimous about, it's net neutrality.  How could they think that Trump would do anything to protect people from businesses?  You have to be a special level of dense.

 

Hans Gruber logic.  Sooner or later Trump might figuratively shoot someone they do care about.

post #13367 of 45174
These assholes didn't realize how good they had it under Obama.
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Someone finally placed it

 

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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

More and more of that dossier keeps getting confirmed....

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

 

 

 

"He can't be a spy, he doesn't look like one!" 

Hmmm, let's think about who the best spies might be......someone nobody would suspect, perhaps? 

post #13370 of 45174
Jumpin' jackrabbits!
post #13371 of 45174

I caught some of this testimony on TV a little while ago...

It was pleasant to actually hear someone on TV lay out the details as to all this could happen.
 

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‘Follow the trail of dead Russians’ if you want to crack 2016 election interference: Senate intel witness

 

Terrorism and espionage expert Clint Watts told the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday that if they want to understand Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election, then they need to “follow the trail of dead Russians.”

 

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) asked Watts at the hearing, “How can the committee track this fuzzy line between the Russian oligarchs, Russian organized crime and the Russian government?”

Watts began by pointing out that he is not an expert on Russia, but a counterterrorism specialist, then explained that the Russian attack on the U.S. election had two components, the virtual or internet component and an actual physical real-world component.

<cont>

 

 

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more from the testimony...

 

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So the reports that set Nunes' hair on fire last week? Came from two White House officials.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/devin-nunes-intelligence-reports.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post
 

more from the testimony...

 

 

I love the way he, kind of, says that Trump is an uninformed fool and easily influenced.  Oh, and also, so are his supporters.

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Originally Posted by Dent6084 View Post

So the reports that set Nunes' hair on fire last week? Came from two White House officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/devin-nunes-intelligence-reports.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Wow, who could possibly have seen this coming.
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Wow, who could possibly have seen this coming.


Or the fact that Trump personally intervened to help one of them keep his job in the National Security Advisor's office after McMaster wanted to fire the guy!

 

https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/847504180772253696

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This whole RussiaGate thing should really be a strong lesson to anyone getting involved in politics, regardless of party affiliation: everything leaves a trail, especially a digital one.  It's no longer 'what happens if the truth comes out', it's 'when happens when the truth comes out,' because it's almost a certainty at this point that shit will get exposed.  Cyber security is so far behind where it should be that pretty much every politician is simply going to have to play it straight from now on.

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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

This whole RussiaGate thing should really be a strong lesson to anyone getting involved in politics, regardless of party affiliation: everything leaves a trail, especially a digital one.

 

Which means all present and past Chewers are never, ever running for office.

post #13379 of 45174

If Trump ends up being the poison pill that de-legitimizes corrupt politics and ends partisan gridlock, it'll be a timeline I can deal with.

 

The most optimistic reading of Trump's presidency that I've seen is that his election serves as a "Fascism booster shot" for America, since it's been a few generations now since we've been faced with it.

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Which means all present and past Chewers are never, ever running for office.

 

I most certainly am not.  Good God, like I'd ever want to go through the prostitution necessary to get elected.

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These assholes didn't realize how good they had it under Obama.

"White folks only want to hear the good shit: life eternal, a place in God's Heaven. But as soon as they hear they're getting this good shit from a black Jesus, they freak. And that, my friends, is called hypocrisy. A black man can steal your stereo, but he can't be your Savior."
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"White folks only want to hear the good shit: life eternal, a place in God's Heaven. But as soon as they hear they're getting this good shit from a black Jesus, they freak. And that, my friends, is called hypocrisy. A black man can steal your stereo, but he can't be your Savior."

And lets not forget that their savior was a brownish jew from the middle east, not the white hippie they depict him as. 

post #13383 of 45174

Also, I still believe that Trump has yet to realize that the President is an employee, not a boss

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Also, I still believe that Trump has yet to realize that the President is an employee, not a boss

To be honest, I think you can say that for most people who've held the office.
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To be honest, I think you can say that for most people who've held the office.

Yes, but most of those understood that the office of president means working with the other branches of power, dealing with the opposition and so on.

Trump seems like he literally believed being president was being a king with no crown.

He is a narcissist egomaniac with a short temper, little to no morals or scruples, who has lived a life were his rich white man privilege and abuse of loopholes and the law has enabled him to live free of accountability and responsibility for his mistakes and misdeeds, while surrounded by sycophants and yes men.

The way things are going, there is no way he will finish the year in office; either he will die or leave.*

 

*And no way he will go to jail, given the level of implication the GOP had with him; he will get impeached but conveniently flee to a non extradition country and continue his life of privilege and excess.

Loyalty and Involvement aside, no way the GOP will allow itself to be the party with the first president impeached and tried for treason/conspiracy.

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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

I most certainly am not.  Good God, like I'd ever want to go through the prostitution necessary to get elected.

It's possible to be a minimum prostitution politician.  Some of them manage by just seeing the same one over and over

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Wow, who could possibly have seen this coming.

 

Meanwhile on FoX News:

 

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Originally Posted by ryoken View Post
 

Yes, but most of those understood that the office of president means working with the other branches of power, dealing with the opposition and so on.

Trump seems like he literally believed being president was being a king with no crown.

He is a narcissist egomaniac with a short temper, little to no morals or scruples, who has lived a life were his rich white man privilege and abuse of loopholes and the law has enabled him to live free of accountability and responsibility for his mistakes and misdeeds, while surrounded by sycophants and yes men.

The way things are going, there is no way he will finish the year in office; either he will die or leave.*

 

*And no way he will go to jail, given the level of implication the GOP had with him; he will get impeached but conveniently flee to a non extradition country and continue his life of privilege and excess.

Loyalty and Involvement aside, no way the GOP will allow itself to be the party with the first president impeached and tried for treason/conspiracy.


I don't even think he's going to get impeached.

 

Here's what I see playing out before our very eyes:

 

The Senate Intelligence Committee investigation will never find a smoking gun, but will making a convincing case for the Russian interference and maybe even collusion with some Trump associates (but not really Trump himself).  Likewise, the FBI will never find the smoking gun that points directly at Trump, either.  Even with Kushner there'll be the ability to say "I didn't know he was talking to the Russians!" (And yes, I think Trump will unhesitatingly throw Jared and Ivanka under the bus to save his own skin).

 

Meanwhile, the House investigation, with Nunes leading the charge, will come to the conclusion of "What Russians?  And also every person associated with Trump in the past, present, or future were, are, or will be the most innocently innocent innocents that were, are, or ever will be innocent."  And since it's the House that has to bring up articles of impeachment, then barring a midterm miracle, they will never materialize.

post #13389 of 45174
I'm genuinely curious, being not a lawyer, but if the President turns out to be guilty of a major criminal offense, is impeachment even required to remove him from office?
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I'm genuinely curious, being not a lawyer, but if the President turns out to be guilty of a major criminal offense, is impeachment even required to remove him from office?


Yes.  Impeachment or "inability to perform the duties" (IE he's brain dead or officially diagnosed as bugnuts crazy or whatever) are the only legal ways to remove a sitting President from power.

 

In fact, I'm not even sure a sitting President CAN be convicted of any crime in a traditional criminal court.   I may be wrong but I think they can only be tried through the impeachment process (Note that this does not shield them from civil suits, just criminal charges).

 

And that "inability to perform the duties" is really murky.  Let's not forget they didn't oust Reagan in the back half of his presidency even though he was known to have Alzheimer's.  Better to pretend than "look weak" and oust their own guy.

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I don't even think he's going to get impeached.

 

Here's what I see playing out before our very eyes:

 

The Senate Intelligence Committee investigation will never find a smoking gun, but will making a convincing case for the Russian interference and maybe even collusion with some Trump associates (but not really Trump himself).  Likewise, the FBI will never find the smoking gun that points directly at Trump, either.  Even with Kushner there'll be the ability to say "I didn't know he was talking to the Russians!" (And yes, I think Trump will unhesitatingly throw Jared and Ivanka under the bus to save his own skin).

 

Meanwhile, the House investigation, with Nunes leading the charge, will come to the conclusion of "What Russians?  And also every person associated with Trump in the past, present, or future were, are, or will be the most innocently innocent innocents that were, are, or ever will be innocent."  And since it's the House that has to bring up articles of impeachment, then barring a midterm miracle, they will never materialize.

 

You're too glass is half empty even for me.

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You're too glass is half empty even for me.


Well, for what it's worth I do think there's a reasonable chance Trump resigns, but it's gonna take another solid year or so of pushing, and possibly a legislative drubbing in the midterms before he'll break.

 

I just don't see anything short of recordings of Trump plotting the downfall of western civilization with Putin in exchange for a lifetime supply of incontinent hookers and oil tankers filled with cash being enough to get the House GOP to impeach a member of their own party (even if in name only).

post #13393 of 45174
Trump's ideally going to endanger the reelection chances of some of these fuckwits if they continue to fart around and look the other way every time he does something illegal, like hiring his daughter to play house with him.

His approval rating is worse than Bush's post-Katrina, and having Trump in the White House didn't torpedo Obamacare, like Congress had all but thought would finally be inevitable. So he's not only useless to them, this Russia shit makes him toxic.
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Trump's ideally going to endanger the reelection chances of some of these fuckwits if they continue to fart around and look the other way every time he does something illegal, like hiring his daughter to play house with him.

His approval rating is worse than Bush's post-Katrina, and having Trump in the White House didn't torpedo Obamacare, like Congress had all but thought would finally be inevitable. So he's not only useless to them, this Russia shit makes him toxic.


The Russia shit makes him toxic....except to slightly more than half of Republican-registered voters, who comprise that thirtysomeodd percent of Americans that approve of him.

 

So no, he still hasn't ducked below the point of no return, and all indications are that bloc (IE "The bloc that gets you a primary boot if you don't toe the line") are so contemptuous of facts and logic and any source that isn't Fox News that they'll be with Trump until the bitter end.  They still love the guy and think he's doing a GREAT job, and genuinely believe the Russia stuff is "fake news."

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I think we're bubbling here.

 

MSNBC did a focus group with NH voters this week. All of the Trump supporters think we need to give him more time to find his way.

 

The stuff with Russia either doesn't register for them or they think it's all made up. Cheeto installing his family in the WH like a fucking third world dictator feels like "family values" to them.

 

Yes, it was a relatively small fraction of Americans that voted for him. But unless we get the rest of the voting public fired up, active, and informed, Cheeto is going nowhere.

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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post
 

I think we're bubbling here.

 

MSNBC did a focus group with NH voters this week. All of the Trump supporters think we need to give him more time to find his way.

 

The stuff with Russia either doesn't register for them or they think it's all made up. Cheeto installing his family in the WH like a fucking third world dictator feels like "family values" to them.

 

Yes, it was a relatively small fraction of Americans that voted for him. But unless we get the rest of the voting public fired up, active, and informed, Cheeto is going nowhere.


What he said.  The people still supporting Trump are out there, and GOP congressfolks don't want to deal with primary challengers that will inevitably come if they openly turn on Trump.

 

There's a reason Trump was tweeting about primary challenges for Freedom Caucus members this morning.  He knows what these guys and gals are afraid of, and these guys (and gals) are aware of how many of them came into power in the first place (being primary challengers to long-sitting representatives and senators, riding the populist Tea Party wave).  Now they're in danger of getting swept away by a Trumpism wave if they don't ride it.

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Just trying to cheer you guys up. Sheesh.

Yeah, everything's fucked, and we're all going to die. Feel better now?
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Just trying to cheer you guys up. Sheesh.

Yeah, everything's fucked, and we're all going to die. Feel better now?


No, but I'd rather traffic in reality than likely-false hopes.

 

I'd also love to be wrong and see Trump get impeached with a quickness, but I don't have high hopes, because every sense of rationality and logic I have tells me the guy should never have gotten elected in the first place, but here we are.

 

Basically:  I have little faith left in the American electoral system as it currently stands, and don't think the Democratic Party realizes that their whole "Demographics mean we win!" argument will fully materialize for another 20 years or so.  Maybe not even then if those Demographics don't end up going to live someplace besides the West Coast, Chicago, or New York/New England (or we get a serious overhaul of our electoral system).

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Originally Posted by ryoken View Post

Yes, but most of those understood that the office of president means working with the other branches of power, dealing with the opposition and so on.
Trump seems like he literally believed being president was being a king with no crown.
He is a narcissist egomaniac with a short temper, little to no morals or scruples, who has lived a life were his rich white man privilege and abuse of loopholes and the law has enabled him to live free of accountability and responsibility for his mistakes and misdeeds, while surrounded by sycophants and yes men.

Listen to the cretin list all the things he thinks he's already accomplished some time, because he signed an executive order that does nothing but repeat one of his campaign promises on Oval Office letterhead. Taking him at face value, he still doesn't understand that he doesn't write the laws.
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Which means all present and past Chewers are never, ever running for office.

On the flip side, Trump getting elected in the first place despite there being plenty of public evidence he's said and done horrible, horrible things means we could probably all get elected if we did run. I say we flood the market and EVERY CHEWER RUN FOR OFFICE so they can't focus on any one stupid thing we've posted!
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