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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

It's time, once again, to play "Add Your Own Caption."

 

 

At last, peace between humans and Gungans.


Edited by Richard Dickson - 5/22/17 at 11:03am
post #18252 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
 

 

At least, peace between humans and Gungans.

 

 

post #18253 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
 

It's time, once again, to play "Add Your Own Caption."

 

 

"I wish for a bear to love me and hold me tight."

 

"I wish this guy would stop calling me Jafar."

 

"I wish... is that a birdie? What are we doing? Who are these people? Maybe if I just do what they do Jafar won't push me down the stairs."

post #18254 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

Again, even if Hillary personally took out Seth Rich while wearing an all black pantsuit and a Versace ski mask, how does that eliminate all of the Trump administration's ties to Russia?  How does it even change them one iota?

If Seth Rich was Wikileaks' source for the Podesta email leak, then the Russians didn't "hack the election." They're just really good at lobbying, in a country where lawmakers, cabinet members, and Presidents have cozy financial relationships with foreign powers all the time without their rivals crying "treason." What doesn't change is the impeachment-worthy obstruction of justice that Trump committed when he fired Preet Bharara, Sally Yates and James Comey - all of whom were investigating Trump's financial ties to Russia.

The evolution of the Seth Rich story has been pretty amusing to watch so far, and is likely to remain so. As of right now, this story exists on the same factual basis as the story that Russia hacked Podesta's emails - a news media company that wears its agenda on its sleeve, citing an anonymous source. Part of the fun is watching news agencies try to make the Seth Rich story go away by screaming at it and calling it a conspiracy theory, when our nation's intelligence agencies have had 10 months to produce proof of Russian hacking and have failed to do so. A lot of us just believe the Russian hacking version of the story because that's the accusation that has been repeated to us.
post #18255 of 40292

Russia intervened in other ways.  What about all those Russian social-media bots that pushed for Trump?  There were stories on that issue well before the election.  What about all the connections that are still being untangled between Trump's people and Russian officials?  Seems to me there's plenty to question besides who leaked Assange the Dems' dirt and if Trump tried to obstruct justice after he took office.

post #18256 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post

The evolution of the Seth Rich story has been pretty amusing to watch so far, and is likely to remain so. As of right now, this story exists on the same factual basis as the story that Russia hacked Podesta's emails - a news media company that wears its agenda on its sleeve, citing an anonymous source. Part of the fun is watching news agencies try to make the Seth Rich story go away by screaming at it and calling it a conspiracy theory, when our nation's intelligence agencies have had 10 months to produce proof of Russian hacking and have failed to do so. A lot of us just believe the Russian hacking version of the story because that's the accusation that has been repeated to us.

 

I'm too burnt out to consider any of this funny now - I remember getting a sinking feeling whenever folk laughed about Trump's chances last summer, or joked about how he was a Clinton plant. The way things have played out in immediate history, this story is going to get traction: the media, wanting to give Trump the break they've - despite his pity parties - been desperate to give him sense November the 9th, will give it airtime, and its presence on the airwaves will legitimise it, just like it did one D.J. Trump.  

post #18257 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

Russia intervened in other ways.  What about all those Russian social-media bots that pushed for Trump?  There were stories on that issue well before the election.  What about all the connections that are still being untangled between Trump's people and Russian officials?  Seems to me there's plenty to question besides who leaked Assange the Dems' dirt and if Trump tried to obstruct justice after he took office.

Absolutely, but Trump's obstruction of justice is the one available issue that Congress can act on, and will be the focus of Mueller's investigation for that reason. Nobody's going to make it illegal to for a member of the political class to receive financial patronage from a foreign power. It's just not going to happen. They're not going to outlaw AIPAC just to spite Russia.
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I really don't understand how some of you still manage to have any faith whatsoever in voters of any stripe.

 

I still don't think there's any guarantee the left turns out in 2018, or even 2020 at this point, because the Progressive/Centrist split is only going to get more ugly before it gets better.

 

We may well end up with a McGovern situation.  Or the next election may well end with a Republican electoral victory where they lose the popular vote by six million instead of three (because all the extra votes were in New York and California).

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Whoever leaked the emails, there's no putting it back in the box.  It's one of many factors that led to the perfect storm that allowed someone as ridiculous as Donald Trump to ascend to the presidency.  Democrats are not going to get a sympathy vote.  And whatever extent Russia interfered in the election, we're not going to have a redo.  So the Seth Rich story only matters on a national scale as a way for Republicans to irresponsibly paint Democratic leaders as murderers.  Because even if Rich was in contact with Assange, it doesn't mean Russia was innocent.  It also doesn't mean he was murdered for it.  It's not like his murder covered up anything.  It was all out there for the world to see.  This is either a way for assholes like Gingrich and Hannity to have their cake and eat it too (because let's not pretend they give a shit about Seth Rich), or a desperate attempt at a smokescreen.

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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
 

Again, even if Hillary personally took out Seth Rich while wearing an all black pantsuit and a Versace ski mask, how does that eliminate all of the Trump administration's ties to Russia?  How does it even change them one iota?

 

Because "He did it too!" is the favored defense of pre-schoolers and Republicans.

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I don't find accusing the Clintons and Democrats of murder YET AGAIN is funny in the slightest. People on the right believed and promoted the idea that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile porn ring out of a pizza shop, and it came goddamn close to real-world violence.

 

Dems accusing the Trump inner-circle of collusion with the Russians isn't even fucking close.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post

I don't find accusing the Clintons and Democrats of murder YET AGAIN is funny in the slightest. People on the right believed and promoted the idea that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile porn ring out of a pizza shop, and it came goddamn close to real-world violence.

Dems accusing the Trump inner-circle of collusion with the Russians isn't even fucking close.

You were exactly this amount of disgusted when Hillary thought the murder of Moammar Qaddafi was funny, right?
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Qaddafi was a murderer and serial rapist of under-aged girls. It may show a serious lack of tact for a respectable political figure to make light of anyone's death, but I can't say it's a death worth crying over either.
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Yeah, if anyone deserved to go out Mussolini-style it was him.

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The video is quite terrible and I could have done without seeing it, but I think of all the people he put in the same situation and I level out. I wish the people who did that to him would have thought better of their actions for their own humanity, but not so much his. I can live on two sides of my brain like that.
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I mean, one good ad hominem attack deserves another. I think I expressed in pretty plain English that the way in which the story is mutating and the establishment press' handling of it were what I find amusing. Nobody here is laughing that a guy is dead and the former Secretary of State is accused of being implicated. Learn how to form a fucking argument.
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You were exactly this amount of disgusted when Hillary thought the murder of Moammar Qaddafi was funny, right?

 

It's the fact that conservatives think accusing people of murder and pedophilia is exactly the same and as exactly as justified as accusing politicians of collusion.

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To be fair, I imagine they think accusing someone of murder is exactly the same as accusing them of murder. They're pretty clearly not bothered by the Russians having a sitting President over a financial barrel, as long as they perceive the President as being on their team.

It's still straw manning and attacking people, instead of arguing against the narrative they're putting forward. It can be frustrating when the story is pinned on nothing but "this is what an anonymous source told us."
post #18269 of 40292
These are people who align themselves with the group in Virginia that carried torches and chanted, "Russia is our friend!"
 
They don't care about the country. They don't even really care about themselves. They just care about creating an enemy and making them suffer.
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It's politics as team sport.

Also, I'm really sorry that I snapped at you, Jacob.
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Now see that's how I know what good people you all are..
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"Russia is our friend!" Jesus, these fucking losers need better friends.
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I honestly think that if Hillary Clinton were tragically murdered, conservative media would run "faked her own death" stories for at least a decade. They need her. NEED her. Sitting congressmen would demand exhumation to test the DNA of the remains. Photos of "her" attending Democratic conventions post-death would be mainstays on the worst places in the internet. And Trump would probably tweet those photos.

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Originally Posted by Warren Peace View Post

I honestly think that if Hillary Clinton were tragically murdered, conservative media would run "faked her own death" stories for at least a decade. They need her. NEED her. Sitting congressmen would demand exhumation to test the DNA of the remains. Photos of "her" attending Democratic conventions post-death would be mainstays on the worst places in the internet. And Trump would probably tweet those photos.
Don't forget to add the "She's secretly plotting with the UN to come take over America by force when she reveals her presence. Stay vigilant and buy more guns!"
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Nah, that's crazy, Warren.

 

The story would be that she hired a hitman to take herself out to hide her terminal illness from the world.

 

Why?   Who cares?  Prove the autopsy report was legitimate, Warren.  Just try!

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Long form!

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#WheresTheDeathCertificate

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Originally Posted by Warren Peace View Post
 

I honestly think that if Hillary Clinton were tragically murdered, conservative media would run "faked her own death" stories for at least a decade. They need her. NEED her. Sitting congressmen would demand exhumation to test the DNA of the remains. Photos of "her" attending Democratic conventions post-death would be mainstays on the worst places in the internet. And Trump would probably tweet those photos.

 


 

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Don't forget to add the "She's secretly plotting with the UN to come take over America by force when she reveals her presence. Stay vigilant and buy more guns!"

 

"ITS IN REVALATIONS PEOPLE!"

post #18279 of 40292

This thread after DJT left the country:

 

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He's acting so presidential!

 

For the record, I am also acting very Presidential today. I have put on pants before leaving the house!

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Also, I'm really sorry that I snapped at you, Jacob.

 

As long as I live, you never need to apologize for "snapping" at me. You're a remarkable person, Reasor, and more than welcome to call me out.

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Originally Posted by Virtanen View Post
 

This thread after DJT left the country:

 

 

 

Yeah, he's reading from teleprompters and managing to stick to the script.  NYT and WaPo basically have the weekend off.  We'll see what the week brings, but for now I stand by my assertion that by the time the trip is over the media cycle will be all about how "Presidential" he was (and of course Trump himself will declare it the greatest international trip of any President ever)...for a day or so before something else breaks.

 

And then I fully expect that Trump will suddenly start trying to find any excuse to leave the country because they pretend to like him and kiss his ass so much better over there than at home!

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I feel like the "exhaustion" excuse is going to come back, and get worse. Plus, it's the week, so we're bound to get at least one story dropping. 

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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I feel like the "exhaustion" excuse is going to come back, and get worse. Plus, it's the week, so we're bound to get at least one story dropping. 


I honestly do not think so (on the "exhaustion" front), for a couple reasons:

 

1.  The fawning welcome the Saudis gave Trump is going to be a huge ego boost for him.  He's suddenly going to decide he really likes these international trips because of shit like that.

 

2.  "Exhaustion" would entail showing weakness, which Trump absolutely refuses to (directly) do.  Of course, that COULD mean that instead we get a completely fabricated or vastly overblown health crisis for say, Barron or Melania or Jared Kushner or something.  (Probably Melania or Jared so that nobody "blood related" is seen as frail)

 

Fully likely that something drops this week though.  On that I agree.  But the trip is kinda pushing that stuff out.  By Sunday there was virtually nothing on the Friday stories and it was all about how Trump hasn't been shitting himself in public while on his trip.  It's the False equivalencies all over again:  News Releases another nail in the collusion coffin, The next day Media is talking about how "Presidential" Trump is being without a peep about those stories outside left-leaning sites/papers/etc....  So Trump managing to shit himself is just as important as the corruption, collusion, etc...!  It balances out!

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They're quickly going to realize that these actual perfectly normal presidential duties are necessary for a person to seem "presidential' that they'll start scheduling them left and right, as long as it doesn't tucker the guy out. They can keep him on the leash, and the media will eat it up.

post #18286 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
 

They're quickly going to realize that these actual perfectly normal presidential duties are necessary for a person to seem "presidential' that they'll start scheduling them left and right, as long as it doesn't tucker the guy out. They can keep him on the leash, and the media will eat it up.


Well, I do believe if they overload him with foreign trips he eventually WILL end up causing an international incident when he gets tired of the leash (which we already know he seriously chafes at).

 

I mean, he may not even make it through THIS trip without stepping in it. We'll see.  I don't think we've ever seen "Presidential" Trump at two consecutive visits/speeches/functions.  He might feel like he's in a "safe space" in Israel and go off the script.  Weirdly, I do get the impression Trump genuinely believes he's (Or Jared Kushner's) going to bring peace to the Middle East.  He is certainly that delusional.

post #18287 of 40292

He's survived the Tee-Ball portion of the trip. The rest is unlikely to feature invented gold medals and faux deference. 

 

Stop 1: Saudi Arabia, where they're well-practiced in pretending to be a great ally.

 

Stop 2: Israel, where Drumpf may very well have gotten spies compromised and/or killed.

 

Stop 3: Rome, where the Pope is on record as being not-so-friendly towards Twitler.

 

Stop 4: Brussels, for a NATO meeting, where Drumpf will likely be temporarily cowed into loving everyone involved with NATO, then is equally likely to erupt on Twitter and shoot himself in the foot.

 

Stop 5: A G7 meeting. Repeat step 4.

 

Plus:

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-exhausted-three-days-into-first-trip-abroad-as-president-reports/article/2623768

 

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After the speech, Trump reportedly canceled his appearance at the Tweeps Forum. Ivanka Trump filled in for her father, speaking to about 400 people at the event.

 

With each step of the trip getting more diplomatically complicated than the one before it, and a man who apparently gets winded while talking, the odds of a faceplant (virtual and/or actual) rise each day.

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As we've said, he's on a leash. He's gonna come back from this controlled first-time trip promoted as an "actual president", which, if you really think about it, says more about our media and our public expectations than we'd like to think about. This is a huge win for him. 

 

He's not going away anytime soon.

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I will say I thought it was telling that I didn't see a lot of "this is the moment he became president/he was so presidential" responses to his speech on Islam. 

post #18290 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I will say I thought it was telling that I didn't see a lot of "this is the moment he became president/he was so presidential" responses to his speech on Islam. 

 

Everything that I saw regarded him as 'exhausted looking', 'winded', and 'slurring words'.  He didn't shit himself on stage but he didn't look good, even if he was slightly more (shudder) presidential.

post #18291 of 40292

Meanwhile, the first breaking headline of the day is Flynn invoking the Fifth Amendment to the Senate intel committee.

 

https://twitter.com/AP/status/866651349970292736

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This is an example of just what the "liberal media" loves:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-israel-western-wall/index.html

 

Jeebus wept.

post #18293 of 40292

Also, this:

 

Trump, wearing a yarmulke, placed his right hand on the wall and swayed slightly back and forth with his eyes closed. He was flanked by his son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner, who is Jewish, and Western Wall Rabbi Shmuel Rabinovich.

post #18294 of 40292

And yet, he only plans to spend 15 minutes at the Holocaust memorial. 

post #18295 of 40292
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Meanwhile, the first breaking headline of the day is Flynn invoking the Fifth Amendment to the Senate intel committee.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/866651349970292736
Ohhhh this guy. The upside is, after this much rigamarole, he's going to give up all the dirt if he finally breaks. The hell of it is going to be getting to that point. (Can you even plead the fifth on a subpoena for documents?)
post #18296 of 40292
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

I will say I thought it was telling that I didn't see a lot of "this is the moment he became president/he was so presidential" responses to his speech on Islam. 

You didn't see Bob Schieffer's segment - http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/05/21/bob-schieffer-trump-speech-presidential-rs.cnn 

post #18297 of 40292

This is why, barring health problems, Trump is here to stay.

 

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves.

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BREAKING:

 

Jacob is cynical about Trump's chances of leaving office.

 

More at 11. 

post #18299 of 40292

I'm slightly less pessimistic than Jacob, but not by much.  I'm veering towards it being possible Trump and his family and direct cronies get ousted, but I seriously do not believe the blowback is going to be nearly as all-encompassing or damaging to the GOP (even if morally and ethically and legally it SHOULD be) as many here speculate. 

post #18300 of 40292

Remind me again... how many of you Cassandras accurately predicted everything that's happened in DC over the past 4 weeks?

Make sure to throw this in your next prediction soup for me. Thanks.

 

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