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post #39851 of 40463

I have to say, Trump's speech yesterday was horrible and the horrible ramifications were pretty much instantaneous.  Having said that, I could listen to Trump's closing "And God bresh uhmuragher" over and over again.  It really puts me in a pleasant mood.

post #39852 of 40463

So was it polident failure or was he actually having an aneurysm or something on-stage?

post #39853 of 40463

Franken's speech is at 11:45 EST on your CSPAN thing. 

post #39854 of 40463

Gotta wonder if he had a mini-stroke.

post #39855 of 40463

Fake hair.  Fake tan.  He's gotta have fake teeth as well.

 

I need to program my Alexa so that when I say "Alexa, put a smile on my face." it replies with Trump's "and god brush uhmuraguh".

post #39856 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post
 

Well it's easy to disagree with a statement when you separate it from the whole argument.  Has an internet mob ever physically beaten anyone?  Actually taken them bodily, removed their liberty and caused them physical harm?  Not very often.  You could probably cite somethings like SWATing and some individual instances where one individual acted out of allegiance to an apparent mob.  Otherwise I don't think so  (right now I'm separating these Jon Ronson-ish instances from things like revolutions that have been organised through social media as I think there's arguably context there that needs to be considered).

So what does cause the harm of internet storms?  It's the effect of seeing an enourmous number of negative reactions to you all at once.  That's the emotional harm.  That's bad, yes.  Beyond that, it is the reaction of the powerful to the sight of an 'internet mob' of negative opinion they want to get away from. 

But my contention is this:  each one of those 'attacks', which taken separately are of not that much of an assault (some are, some aren't.  There's a spectrum) and while there's some level of 'following the crowd' in posting it at all, has little to do with that same gathering of humans who wants to do bodily harm to someone.  There's a level of group outrage necessary to decide to pull some body out and throw a burning tyre around their neck, or even cheer on those in the centre doing the business, that the detached and vicarious posting of scorn does not possess.  It's not even a murderous mob where people distribute guilt by telling themselves they only hit the person once.   It's a category error to even put them together, no matter how many parallels we think/feel that we can see.  That we think these parallels are appropriate is exactly what is wrong here, especially if we want to de-power this whole phenomenon.

 

Currently the general thrust is: we perceive a mob and it caused a reaction, therefore it is real and threatening.  If it's weilding power we don't like or approve of, apart from general tutting, the only responses have been to try to avoid getting its attention or try to counter the mob with an opposing one.  Now everyone's angry and scared of internet mobs and it's actually skewing our behaviour and politics.  While it's never going to be fun to be at the centre of one of these events, everything else about this has a lot to do with the fact we take a bunch of arrayed negativity and put it in the same general conception as an actual mob in the first place.  It's not that and on close examination couldn't be that.  Internet mobs get better results than actual physical protests with ten times the numbers!  Violent ones too.  The whole thing is out of whack and it starts with the label.

 

This seems to fundamentally miss the point what a mob is.  It's not every senator lining up to stab Caesar so the blood is distributed equally across all of their hands.  In any given mob, 95% of the people are at the edges, "merely" cheering on the actors.  The cheering is where a mob's power derives from.  

post #39857 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post

Fake hair.  Fake tan.  He's gotta have fake teeth as well.

Fake wealth.
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
 

Fake hair.  Fake tan.  He's gotta have fake teeth as well.

 

I need to program my Alexa so that when I say "Alexa, put a smile on my face." it replies with Trump's "and god brush uhmuraguh".


FWIW-

:

Story Three: About 15 years ago, I had occasion to consult with a fancy Upper East Side dental surgeon who specialized in cosmetic work. The circumstances are unimportant, though he did notice that I was getting older and might want to consider implants or veneers since he said I had made my teeth considerably smaller over the years by grinding them. An occupational hazard, I guess.

The dentist was momentarily called away, and when he returned to the conference room where I waited, he had a set of teeth molds in his hand.

“Do you know what these are?” he asked with a smirk. Then, without waiting for an answer, added: “Donald Trump’s teeth.”

The dentist said Trump would come to the office every six months or so complaining that his veneers weren’t white enough.

“I tell him that if they are too white, they won’t look real,” the dentist said, as I recall, “but he won’t listen. So he picks a shade, and I make them about one-quarter as white as the shade he selects, and he goes away happy.”

I took his story with a scrape of plaque since he seemed a bit of a salesman himself. But as he walked me down the hall, he motioned with his eyes to an examining room. The door was open and I could see the back of a famous head of hair in the dentist’s chair.

So what’s the takeaway? Self-absorption of the highest order or just a celebrity who likes to look his gleaming best?

Again, your call.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/three-donald-trump-stories-you-havent-heard

post #39859 of 40463

the State of the Union will be a fucking mess.

 

I simply cannot imagine him standing up and delivering a 90-minute speech into a microphone.

 

Also, what is he going to say? "The state of the Union is STRONG"? HAH

post #39860 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

the State of the Union will be a fucking mess.

 

I simply cannot imagine him standing up and delivering a 90-minute speech into a microphone.

I wonder which soldier who died due to his admin's own negligence he'll honor this time.

post #39861 of 40463
The slurring!

Holy fuck, Trump turned into Dustin from Stranger Things at the end.
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Fake wealth.

 

Fake news.

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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

Fake news.

On his end. Not ours.
post #39864 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Amos Orange View Post
 

the State of the Union will be a fucking mess.

 

I simply cannot imagine him standing up and delivering a 90-minute speech into a microphone.

 

Also, what is he going to say? "The state of the Union is STRONG"? HAH


Put a laugh track behind it and you're golden.

post #39865 of 40463

Hopefully we won't have to watch Cheeto give a SotU address...

post #39866 of 40463

Imagine getting one of these in the mail, and thinking to yourself "yeah, these are some good points.  I think I'll vote for the pedophile"

 

 

Since the bullet points are hard to read and I can't make the image any larger:

https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/938637601174679552

 

He supports kneelers!

post #39867 of 40463
Franken is resigning. He just announced it.
post #39868 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post

Franken is resigning. He just announced it.

 

Conservative Twitter is gleeful. 

 

This fuckin' sucks. Yes, we want to do the right thing. Yes, Franken should resign. But today is one of those days where it feels like this is asymmetrical warfare, coming from a foe with nothing but bad faith. 

post #39869 of 40463

 

as seen online....

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Franken: "I aware of the irony that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who has preyed on underage girls is running for the Senate with the full support of his party"
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"Boy, I can't wait to see Paul Ryan tell Blake Farenholdt he's got to go!"

 

Narrator: "He would be waiting a long time." 

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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

 

Conservative Twitter is gleeful. 

 

This fuckin' sucks. Yes, we want to do the right thing. Yes, Franken should resign. But today is one of those days where it feels like this is asymmetrical warfare, coming from a foe with nothing but bad faith. 

 

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

 

I still think this cranks up the heat on the GOP to a point where their conscience might burn them alive. My take:

 

https://twitter.com/JohnNadaChance/status/938817265990078464

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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

 

Conservative Twitter is gleeful. 

 

This fuckin' sucks. Yes, we want to do the right thing. Yes, Franken should resign. But today is one of those days where it feels like this is asymmetrical warfare, coming from a foe with nothing but bad faith. 

 

Yeah, but we can't counter bad faith with worse faith, no matter how much Vtran might want to.

 

If Tuesday goes for Doug Jones, I will take that as a pretty definitive sign that this was the right move (tactically, as it's the right move ethically no matter what).

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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

Conservative Twitter is gleeful. 

This fuckin' sucks. Yes, we want to do the right thing. Yes, Franken should resign. But today is one of those days where it feels like this is asymmetrical warfare, coming from a foe with nothing but bad faith. 

It's always been so.

But as one of the sometime-advocates for fighting dirty as sin on here, I think we still have the option of fighting dirty to somewhat even the playing field while still holding our team to a higher standard.

Just because Franken's resigning, doesn't mean I can't ask Ted Cruz when exactly it was he stopped fucking his house cleaner when I run against him in 8 years.
post #39874 of 40463
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Yeah, but we can't counter bad faith with worse faith, no matter how much Vtran might want to.

If Tuesday goes for Doug Jones, I will take that as a pretty definitive sign that this was the right move (tactically, as it's the right move ethically no matter what).

Jones winning is such a wild thought I don't even know how I'd process it.
post #39875 of 40463
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Jones winning is such a wild thought I don't even know how I'd process it.

 

Seconded. I just don't see it happening. Hell, the right is so diseased they'll somehow turn Franken resigning into a vindication of Moore.

post #39876 of 40463

Franken's replacement is Minnesota's LG, and she's a she!  I hope she's the sort that makes the likes of Jeff Session wither on the stand.

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Some polls have Jones up.

 

Some polls have him down.

 

He gave a great barnburner of a speech a couple days ago.

 

Who the fuck knows?

post #39878 of 40463
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Seconded. I just don't see it happening. Hell, the right is so diseased they'll somehow turn Franken resigning into a vindication of Moore.

 

And, mysteriously, the press will report on their declaring it a victory without asking them to explain why and how.

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Some polls have Jones up.

Some polls have him down.

He gave a great barnburner of a speech a couple days ago.

Who the fuck knows?

If he wins it'll be because Democrats turn out in disproportionate numbers for Alabama, and enough "moderate" Republicans decide to take a pass on actually pulling a lever for a pedophile.

I hope that's the case.
post #39880 of 40463
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Seconded. I just don't see it happening. Hell, the right is so diseased they'll somehow turn Franken resigning into a vindication of Moore.


They were already claiming he should resign because he admitted to doing it while Moore and Trump have denied it. 

post #39881 of 40463
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If he wins it'll be because Democrats turn out in disproportionate numbers for Alabama, and enough "moderate" Republicans decide to take a pass on actually pulling a lever for a pedophile.

I hope that's the case.


God help us if Jones wins but with a margin so close as to demand a recount.  I would seriously fear for Jones' life in those circumstances.

 

It's also something of a marvel to me how invested I am in an Alabama senate special election.  Like seriously to the point where I'm going to be over-the-moon giddy if Jones wins, or veering dangerously close to genuine "I don't want to live in this world anymore" territory if Moore does.

post #39882 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Some polls have Jones up.

 

Some polls have him down.

 

He gave a great barnburner of a speech a couple days ago.

 

Who the fuck knows?

 

Exactly.  That he's within striking distance is a remarkable thing.  But the polls don't give us much solid ground.  On the one hand, Trump was down going into election day last year, and overperformed his projections in spite of all the evident odiousness which seems most analogous to Moore's gross baggage  On the other, the November elections saw Dems overperforming in GOP strongholds, and that is much more recent. 

 

We're going to learn a lot about Alabama next week, one way or the other.  Which is cause enough for concern; I can't think of any fact about Alabama I've ever learned where my immediate reaction was "oh, how nice!" 

post #39883 of 40463
A Birmingham, Alabama author is going viral on Twitter after sharing a story about her mother having worked with Doug Jones on "To Catch A Predator" style stings in the early days of AOL. The throughline of the narrative is "Doug Jones has been protecting young girls from men like Roy Moore for a long, long time," and people are trying to move the needle by sharing this story as widely as they can at the eleventh hour.
post #39884 of 40463

The two things I keep coming back to: 1) that apparently Jones has been courting young people and people of color hard and doing lots of GOTV and new voter registration. Lots of events on state schools, assistance with ID laws, etc. 2) I really think about that article discussing that how there are people in these deep red areas who die if anyone found out they were even thinking of voting Democrat, and Alabama is deep, deep red, but who may be planning to vote for Jones.

 

But who fucking knows. We'll see, said the wise man. 

post #39885 of 40463
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Yeah, but we can't counter bad faith with worse faith, no matter how much Vtran might want to.

 

WTF?  It'd be one thing if the GOP actually embodied 'good faith' but they currently don't and I don't see them having any in the near future.....not to mention that faith is a refuge for the ignorant so piss off.

We've seen what happens when the Dems don't put up a fight...the GOP revels in fighting dirty...so maybe that's what it will take to counter their bullshit and I'm perfectly aware of the moral conundrum that this puts the Dems in but if that's what it takes to push this country in a more progressive direction, I say let's try it. Playing 'nice' hasn't been working.

 

To the matter at hand....

Now, while I am disappointed in AF resigning, it may very well be the good thing as it will put pressure on the GOP to purge their party of their 'undesirables'.....ah fuck, we know this won't happen.

post #39886 of 40463
It’s the sort of thing that might help push Red Staters uncomfortable about Moore. This was well timed, possibly even lightly orchestrated.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see one last Moore accuser come forward, maybe with a bit of damning evidence. If they’re playing this Mueller-style.
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WTF?  It'd be one thing if the GOP actually embodied 'good faith' but they currently don't and I don't see them having any in the near future.....not to mention that faith is a refuge for the ignorant so piss off.

 

 

I didn't say the GOP were acting in good faith.  Just the opposite, in fact.  And acting in good/bad faith has nothing to do with faith as a religious concept.  

post #39888 of 40463
Schwartz, engaging in rational argument with VTran is like debating art criticism with a dog.
post #39889 of 40463
Unappreciative of subtlety, they think everything is just rough . . .
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When the late night talk shows make fun of Trump's policies, I don't think he really cares (because HE doesn't really care) but last night they had a blast with his denture teeth slur. THAT shit he cares about deeply.   You KNOW he was irate and lashed out at someone after, being the vain fucker he is.  

post #39891 of 40463
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I didn't say the GOP were acting in good faith.  Just the opposite, in fact.  And acting in good/bad faith has nothing to do with faith as a religious concept.  


In the case of the current political situation in this country and specifically in the Moore/Jones race, it most certainly is.

 

I'd bet that a large percentage of Moore supporters embrace him because of their/his religious faith....they think he isn't a pedophile because their supposed xtian 'faith' tells them so and they wouldn't change their minds if mountains of evidence were presented that showed him fucking kids.

post #39892 of 40463

Paul Ryan thinks Trump is coming around to his side on entitlement reform:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/01/gop-eyes-post-tax-cut-changes-to-welfare-medicare-and-social-security/?utm_term=.dea859103b5d

 

It's important to note that Trump has no side on just about anything.  Just shove the bill in his face, and he will sign it.

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Schwartz, engaging in rational argument with VTran is like debating art criticism with a dog.

Edited for a more appropriate video.

 

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In the case of the current political situation in this country and specifically in the Moore/Jones race, it most certainly is.

I'd bet that a large percentage of Moore supporters embrace him because of their/his religious faith....they think he isn't a pedophile because their supposed xtian 'faith' tells them so and they wouldn't change their minds if mountains of evidence were presented that showed him fucking kids.

Like I said before VT, just because we hold our guys to a standard like "Don't fucking sexually assault people" and the other side doesn't, doesn't mean we can't fight dirty when it comes to campaigning.

If there's one piece of Trumpism that's a perfectly designed weapon, it's been his use of "People are saying...."

It sound so simple, but it's damn effective.

"So many people are asking why Senator Cruz won't deny having an affair with that young man, and I think it's horrible. We shouldn't be speculating about the private lives of consenting adults. And if Senator Cruz (who I understand has said some horrible things about the gay community in the past) has opened his mind and heart, and now feels more comfortable with himself, I actually think that's a great thing. Now I hope he's been honest with his wife if this is true, but really it's between them and I wish the press would stop talking about it."

THATs fighting dirty.
post #39895 of 40463
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Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post
 

Some polls have Jones up.

 

Some polls have him down.

 

He gave a great barnburner of a speech a couple days ago.

 

Who the fuck knows?

 

Much like last year's election, the fact that it's even remotely close shows that we are a morally bankrupt society.

post #39896 of 40463

CNN and The Washington Post are working on exposing 20-30 congressional members for sexual assault:

 

https://twitter.com/mikehtrujillo/status/938815136571129856

 

Woah.

post #39897 of 40463

burn it all down 2017

post #39898 of 40463
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post
 


In the case of the current political situation in this country and specifically in the Moore/Jones race, it most certainly is.

 

I'd bet that a large percentage of Moore supporters embrace him because of their/his religious faith....they think he isn't a pedophile because their supposed xtian 'faith' tells them so and they wouldn't change their minds if mountains of evidence were presented that showed him fucking kids

Members of his faith actually engage in similar behavior all the time. It's evidently a common thing down there:

 

http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

post #39899 of 40463

Look forward to seeing people say "The Dems need to resign" and "The allegations against Republicans are FAKE" in the same breath.

post #39900 of 40463
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Originally Posted by VTRan View Post


In the case of the current political situation in this country and specifically in the Moore/Jones race, it most certainly is.

I'd bet that a large percentage of Moore supporters embrace him because of their/his religious faith....they think he isn't a pedophile because their supposed xtian 'faith' tells them so and they wouldn't change their minds if mountains of evidence were presented that showed him fucking kids.

Acting in good faith just means being sincere and consistent. Religious beliefs are incidental to that.

This is not a political point. It’s just understanding the vocabulary.
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